Yep, Apple has certainly been the king of BS lately, not the source of enlightenment we have expected based on history.
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Phil Schiller: Apple Working With Consumer Reports to Understand MacBook Pro Battery Test
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Yep, Apple has certainly been the king of BS lately, not the source of enlightenment we have expected based on history.
Looks like Apple is trying to pull a Volkswagen? Cheat the test eh?
Well...Battery life determines based on usage...but removing the timer just encourages people more to believe that battery is bad.
Personally I believe it is bad battery and Apple removing timer is a bad move..more like rotten apple.
Personally I believe it is bad battery and Apple removing timer is a bad move..more like rotten apple.
Higher capacity, game changing leap = marginal improvements in the real world. Unless there's a sudden revolution in battery technology, then it wouldn't have been spectacular. Current battery design and tech has hit a wall. We'll move past it, just not today.
All battery packs are shaped to fit inside the case of any specific notebook. The chance that you can swap a battery pack from another model to a newer model is almost non-existent. (Battery cells, that's different.) This is a non-issue.
Failed a key test = not qualified to work with the targeted notebook.
"Revert to older design, roping in engineers" = Older design is almost certainly the original design battery presented at POR for this specific MBP before they tried the newer, higher capacity battery. I guarantee you it's not a battery pack from an older model. If anything, it was the same battery cell design from an older model stuck inside a case designed to fit this MBP, which is actually a normal thing. As far as roping in engineers from other teams - Notebook core teams share engineers. Heck, I sit on 10 core teams.
Attention Tim! Less 'activism', less dinners with the 'glitterati' and a refocus on the 'meat & potatoes' of Apple Corp. That being, Macintosh computers! Enough teleprompter cued blurbs about how 'thrilled' and 'excited' you are about iPhones.
Focus on management, oversight and testing of Apple Products, especially Macs!!
Focus on management, oversight and testing of Apple Products, especially Macs!!
It's apparent that the 2016 MB Pro has more quality control issues than we've generally encountered in the past. Also, there has been disappointment, even among long-time Apple fans, at the continued obsession with making things thinner to the point where function is impacted, the obviously low priority given to the Mac lineup and the aggressive pricing. The amount of discontent demonstrated in these forums, even discounting the occasional anti-Apple troll, does not bode well for Apple. I suspect that if they showed Jobs an iPhone where you couldn't use the headphones while it was being charged, he would have tossed it in the garbage can. Common sense and a consistent product strategy seem to be missing these days and it opens Apple up to some probably well-deserved ridicule. Speaking of which, this is funny:
Not an Apple fanboy. Not a sheep. I have owned late 2016 MBP15 (2.9 GHz, 1TB, 460) for a little over a month. Battery life since the release of 10.12.2 has been outstanding and consistently 9 - 10 hours with light usage (Safari, Mail, Outlook, Word open simultaneously). Display brightness is set at 11 clicks. Actually, since I do work in Photoshop and need to have my display calibrated to 90 cd/m^2 I really should have it set at 9 clicks.
I do not understand the complaining.
Donald Barar
I do not understand the complaining.
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First I am headed to the Microsoft store to put surface book through its paces....just making sure I don't get fanboy flames.
BUT every laptop I have owned performed as evil in battery tests. And the surface on;y gets half its promised life and the same 2-4 hours under load but since that doesn't geT clickbait for consumer reports there is no mention.
How about the outcry there is no headphone jack on the Xbox?
I am not against criticizing Apple but these comments on these articles is beginning to board me and makes me wonder if there is not just a bunch of android Users coming over here and doing a panty raid.
BUT every laptop I have owned performed as evil in battery tests. And the surface on;y gets half its promised life and the same 2-4 hours under load but since that doesn't geT clickbait for consumer reports there is no mention.
How about the outcry there is no headphone jack on the Xbox?
I am not against criticizing Apple but these comments on these articles is beginning to board me and makes me wonder if there is not just a bunch of android Users coming over here and doing a panty raid.
Prior to this MBP release, Apple had the highest NPS (net promoter score) among all notebook/tablet companies. Almost double HP, Dell, and Lenovo, in both consumer and commercial. The gap is so great that the WinPC companies don't even try to go head to head with Apple on 90% of their product releases.
So, while I understand (and even feel) the discontent with Apple's releases over the last few years, unfortunately for the average consumer (us), the anecdotal evidence in the various Internet forums doesn't match reality.
Once this quarter ends, it'll be interesting to see if the latest MBPs have lowered Apple's NPS. Probably not, I expect.
If you do a Google search on new Macbook Pro battery life a lot of posts come up with people complaining about poor battery life. It's not just CR saying it.
If I’d spent £25,000 on a car that didn’t quite do as advertised I’d not be that annoyed. I’f I’d spent £50,000 on a premium car that didn't quite do as advertised I’d be very annoyed.
That’s where Apple are - you pay over the odds for nothing different. You never used to.
Skimming the comments I see the same old bashers and white knights. I got no skin in the game. Let's see how this plays out. I am unlikely to buy another Mac if they gothe direction they are going (irreglardless of these battery tests).
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Not saying I want to see them go but I can't say I am surprised.
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Macs haven't been the "meat and potatoes" for a decade now...
Not saying I want to see them go but I can't say I am surprised.
So if someone owns Apple products and they work fine for them they are sheep? God this place makes me want to vomit.
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But CR is also saying amazing battery life. Has any other reviewer gotten 19 hours?
I hope you're right, but I think it's just as likely that this will encourage Apple to accelerate its plans to phase out the Macintosh platform. It's generating a huge pile of bad press considering that it represents such a relatively small slice of their bottom line.
I didn't read the CR test, but how in the world did they get that much battery life out of those laptops?
And how do you not recommend a 15" laptop that gets 8.5-18 hours of battery life?
Lastly, how did they get more battery life using Chrome??
And how do you not recommend a 15" laptop that gets 8.5-18 hours of battery life?
Lastly, how did they get more battery life using Chrome??
Huh, that is so true though. The battery case is great. The hump helped you hold the phone and it sat into the curve of your hand. If I didn't carry two phones regularly (thereby not having any battery issues), I would definitely use that battery case on my iPhone over any other on the market. The flat tire was lame.
No this isn't accurate. According to the Bloomberg story the case dimensions didn't dictate an older battery design. Management (aka Phil Schiller) went with the older design because engineering was having issues with the new battery design and management didn't want to miss a holiday shopping season. I'll bet all my Apple stock that v2 of this design has the new better design and gets better battery life without the device being any thicker.
They didn't "get" more battery life out of Chrome, they just avoided some bug that they don't know what it is that was somehow triggered in the really short battery test. There must be some way to get the CPU and GPU to cycle into full power and pretty much just stay there which was unique to the short battery test. It isn't a real world situation though.
They didn't recommend them because of the huge variation. But that's begs the question why would they eve put out a review without nailing down why they were getting such variation? The obvious answer is clicks. Saying they can't recommend an Apple product gets their review more attention and clicks.
The MBP isn't getting a form factor change for another three to four years. I'm sure this form factor will seem spacious for the technology that is available at that time. Still, Apple does make things harder for itself with its obsession with thinnesses. For many of us we really just want to use MacOS in a machine that doesn't give us issues. But it doesn't have to be that thin.
