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Excellent - the iMac becomes the best "All in Two" on the market.

;)
All in Three, if you need to print.

What tyrant decided that printers should not be included in the iMac? Aren't there still some iMac buyers who want to print? Apple should totally make everyone pay for a printer to support those users! This calls for class action.
 
It might come as a surprise to you, but OS X Mountain Lion still supports floppies. That's the difference, I can go out and buy a 3rd party USB floppy and it works.

It doesn't however support Blu-ray at all. No one is asking Apple to provide hardware and playback software. Just the OS support so that 3rd parties can implement it.

Yes, it does "support Blu-ray at all". I've ripped a few Blu-Ray movies on my 2010 MBP in order to watch them on my iPad.
 
when will they release movies on memory sticks? that would be easier.. then optical drives.. and you could wipe the stick afterwards... oh , its friday.. what am I smoking..
 
All in Three, if you need to print.

What tyrant decided that printers should not be included in the iMac? Aren't there still some iMac buyers who want to print? Apple should totally make everyone pay for a printer to support those users! This calls for class action.

*yawn*

We're speaking of a blatant lie of Apple - to state users don't need BD because iTunes Store is the best.
 
All in Three, if you need to print.

What tyrant decided that printers should not be included in the iMac? Aren't there still some iMac buyers who want to print? Apple should totally make everyone pay for a printer to support those users! This calls for class action.

Sarcasm noted. Now show me a major brand computer that has ever built in printer.
 
Yes, it does "support Blu-ray at all". I've ripped a few Blu-Ray movies on my 2010 MBP in order to watch them on my iPad.

He's right in that OS X doesn't support the playback of BD discs out of the box. For VLC, you need to separately install a plug-in (and VLC itself is a third-party app to separately install to start with.)

Ripping also requires a third-party app (MakeMKV and the like) and, therefore, isn't supported by the OS by default.

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What is the best free software to rip DVDs?

MakeMKV. The free beta works just fine.
 
I can sort of see getting rid of optical drives in notebooks, but for desktop machines it just seems silly. Users lose a great backup option, and they can't simply pop in a DVD or CD anymore, when the part probably only costs Apple less than $5.

Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that optical drives are one of the parts most likely to fail, and they are trying to reduce warranty repairs, but it's still annoying.

Ditto.

A desktop with no DVD drive is unacceptable.
 
You're right, Phil- we're not asking for it anymore; we've given up hope. Self-fulfilling prophecy much?

As for me, I'll stop being interested in Blu-ray as soon as there's something better. There isn't yet- certainly not iTunes.

Really? I started buying blue rays, and i have actually sold them all, Everything I watch is now on my imac, and i stream to apple tv... or out it on my iPad

Blue ray is dead and buried already as far as I am concerned...
 
Bluray does 1080p from the start. You can scale it down, though, so it gets even better. :rolleyes:

But, when 4K video equipment hits the consumer level, and starts becoming mainstream, will your Blu-Ray update? Based on the 720p->1080p change over, iTunes will. That's the point the person you responded to was making.
 
If you think Netflix or Apple streaming HD quality is good, you need to get your eyes checked.

Nothing can replace the quality of an optical disc other then the original uncompressed asset.

It's night and day right now for optical vs streaming quality.
You are right. Blu-Ray offers the best low-compression video but also best audiofile quality audio, similar to SACD. Besides, Netfilx streaming library is still limited. You can get much more selection on physical disks.

Apple wants consumer to eat over-compressed media from iTunes. And consumer will swallow because Apple says so.
 
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The cynic in me says Apple is assuming the Supreme Court will rule to overturn more than a century of first-use doctrine and law in the John Wiley & Sons. vs Kirtsaeng case. Wiley, a textbook publisher, is trying to get the courts to rule against peoples' rights to resell any copyrighted work, and the lower court that heard the case has ruled so broadly in Wiley's favor, indeed, far beyond what they were asking, that the implication is yard sales, eBay, Craigslist etc., would be illegal for any copyrighted item produced outside the United States; books, phones, computers, cameras, and, yes, movies on optical media.

Among other things, being completely banned from selling used imported goods without the manufacturer's permission would take away a major advantage for physical media. If all you can really do is rent something anymore, may as well make it convenient. Not to mention cut out the foreign printer of the media.

By the way the Supreme Court hears arguments in the case on Monday October 29. If you want to preserve your right to sell your used stuff or buy used stuff, I suggest you Google the following, Kirtsaeng Day of Action, Owners Rights Initiative, and YouveBeenOwned.org, and see what to do.
 
Average Joes indeed don't know the difference or the quality gains of using BD discs as they hardly (if ever) read the tech press - for example, the article at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1340463/

In this regard, Schiller is indeed right - these people are indeed the majority of users. But not all of them - we, video/audiophiles do exist. Just stating NONE of the Mac (/ iOS) users need better IQ/AQ is a blatant lie - even if it's Schiller that states it.
If you are really a video/audiophile, you will overcome the mass-market-oriented default input and output options that Apple provides. It can be done without requiring the majority of users to subsidize your particular needs.
 
But, when 4K video equipment hits the consumer level, and starts becoming mainstream, will your Blu-Ray update? Based on the 720p->1080p change over, iTunes will.

Seeing is believing. The 720p->1080p upgrade was necessary for Apple to, at least resolution (but not general IQ!)-wise get on Blu-ray's level. I don't think they'll offer free 4k upgrading. Hope I'll be proved wrong, though.
 
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If you are really a video/audiophile, you will overcome the mass-market-oriented default input and output options that Apple provides. It can be done without requiring the majority of users to subsidize your particular needs.

lolz... we people that don't want to put up with Apple's substandard (but still expensive) audio / video quality and, in most cases, complete lack of subtitles, are the Bad, who would want to force poor Average Joes to pay for hardware they'd never use themselves.

You are indeed an iSheep retelling the blatant lies Schiller told you ;)
 
Ah

Read between the lines:

"Blu-ray is an awkward pain in terms of licensing, we'd rather promote our solution and promoting theirs would only take cash out of our pockets."

Just get an external blu-ray drive and go from there.
 
I have NEVER wanted blu-ray in my PC. I also have no use for an optical drive anymore. For all the whiners, go buy a PC and STHU
 
I have NEVER wanted blu-ray in my PC. I also have no use for an optical drive anymore. For all the whiners, go buy a PC and STHU

That's only you if you don't mind... and thanks, but I plan to stick with OS X because of the (generally) superior hardware (except for annoying omissions like BD drives), OS and the investment I've made in OS X apps. No PC for me.
 
I was starting to get ticked-off that Apple was doing away with optical drives in its line (outside of the Air); once they disappeared from the mini I figured it was only a matter of time before every Mac dropped them. But over the past year I've really noticed how little I still use the OD in my old MBP. I've had to burn a disc with DVD Studio Pro maybe twice, and even those I could have done at work on the Mac Pro. I haven't burned a disc with photos on it in years; thumb drives are so much easier and simpler for file transfer anymore. I regularly push large files out to Dropbox, box.net, iCloud, etc. I will have to burn DVDs for various film festivals and distributors coming up, but again those happen on the Mac Pro which is my main video workhorse anyway. My mother has an Air and loves it, and she hasn't asked me about burning a disk – ever. Once I felt how light the new Retina MBP is, that was the final nail for me: good riddance.

And as far as BluRay goes, I like the format -- but only for my home theater. Honestly, if you're not going to watch them on your big screen TV then what's the point? And once again, I can always get a burner for the Mac Pro if I need to produce them. My only beef is that playback is still hard to do on a Mac for those few times when clients/vendors send me a disc for review; if I shell out for an external BR drive then there should be some 3rd-party app that can allow for playback in OSX. So far I think there's only one option and I hear it's crap.
 
Bah-ray

Blu-ray was too little too late. It missed the boat. It got the boot. I never bothered getting a blu-ray player. I've got DVDs. Movies are available in that. Blu-ray offers nothing more but junk on the disks, not real quality content. Movie makers just fill them with lots of commentary. With a DVD you're sitting for hours to watch the max. I don't want to sit longer than that. Two hours tops.
 
I don't have a bluray player in my house at all. Bluray movies are overpriced and inconvenient. I much prefer netflix streaming. The image quality is sharp enough for me.

Crazy! Blurays are mostly cheaper than SD iTunes here, and especially cheaper than HD iTunes.


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Sorry Phil. I probably spend £50 a month on Blurays that I then watch on my PS3. It doesn't go on iTunes.

Secondly, Apple users are a funny bunch. From the comments you see here you'd think Apple users loved high quality/absolute best media available to consumers. But they don't. They like great hardware and mediocre quality media. It's the same with iOS games, music, video, but it seems the "Rolls Royce" argument extends only to hardware.
 
Quit Whining!

The new thin iMac's are sweet. Apple chose HDDVD and lost to blu-ray, what makes you think they would adapt that model when they are making money hand over fist in the itunes store with Digital Downloads? If you're going to fork out $1500-2500 for an imac, and you need blu-ray, spend the extra $200 and get a drive and a program. Every internal CD/DVD drive i've ever had in a mac has failed, good riddance. Need data back-ups? They have USB drives up to 64 GB and they won't scratch, plus they don't take up much room in your fireproof safe. You can buy an external drive that can more than sufficiently back up your entire file structure. Get over it. Embrace change. Problem(s) solved. You're welcome. Have fun replacing your Blu-ray Collection when 4k is the new standard.
 
I for one need to burn dvds with data (e.g. physical backup of photos). Not often, but on occasion.
I don't think I am significantly away from any average consumer.
As for Blue Ray I can't say (I don't even watch dvds at all, so in that respect I am in the tail of the gaussian.)

And if "you can have it external" then it does misses the point of the sleekness factor.

External Storage reaplces many spindles of DVD backups.

Flash storage another option, and they are cheap enough as a valid backup option.

External Storage + flash storages gives enough peace of mind for affordable redundant backup.

And you can also add cloud storage... once you upload to the internet it's there forever.
 
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