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Except that normally a better technology replaces an older poorer one.

In Apple's case we've gone the other way.

Goodbye CD's and hello compressed audio
Goodbye Bluray and hello compressed video

On hindsight, I actually appreciate compressed audio and video if that means I can store 10000 CDs/DVDs/Blu-ray worth of content in a big harddrive...

Now looking at my hundreds of CDs and DVDs and Bluray gathering dust that I can't be bothered going through them again.

They belong in a garage sale soon or they will all end up in the trash bin eventually.
 
Bluray movies are overpriced and inconvenient. The image quality is sharp enough for me.

Totally wrong, check out the price of older Blu-rays at Amazon. They're often much cheaper than a lessor quality, restricted Apple versions. Making digital copies of your Blu-rays takes about zero effort with makeMKV. You get a terrific-quality digital file and have the disk for backup or to take to a friend's house.

". . . sharp enough for me." That's pretty much the raison detre for the Apple Store. For those for whom great convenience with OK-quality merchandise is the way to go then Apple supplied media is the way to go.

Some of us would like our media to be the same quality as our computers and displays.
 
I'm about to get one... rolled up in a 500GB super slim PS3 that includes Assassin's Creed III for a mere $299. I'll use 99% of the time for games but occasionally I'll pop in a blu-ray disc. :D
 
Steaming online and downloading from iTunes is nice and convenient, but in terms of quality they are nowhere close to Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray picture quality and audio absolutely destroys the "HD" quality you get on iTunes, it's not even close.

Yes streaming and digital is more convenient, but it would be nice to have the option. It's not like the iMac takes up less desk space without a disk drive. Yes it looks thinner from the sides that nobody even sees when using it, but I'd rather have functionality.

Laptops are a different matter since thinness is important in a portable machine, but to remove disks from the desktop is a stupid move.
 
I love BD but I really don't mind that there's no drive in Macs. I like how they're losing optical drives anyway. I'd get an external if I needed it, but the PS3 does a good job plugged into the TV.

Digital distribution is storming everything. Soon the bandwidth won't be an issue at all.

you kidding me? ISP and bandwidth is an issue. also you get lower quality.

Let consumers add a drive with full OS support and a proper player.

On hindsight, I actually appreciate compressed audio and video if that means I can store 10000 CDs/DVDs/Blu-ray worth of content in a big harddrive...

Now looking at my hundreds of CDs and DVDs and Bluray gathering dust that I can't be bothered going through them again.

They belong in a garage sale soon or they will all end up in the trash bin eventually.

Ummm, ever had a hard drive fail? funny. With a scratchless BD you got it. Also if you have movies in the Cloud? will apple support it in 5 years? as anyone who knows iWeb, .Mac, Mobile Me, you know there are no promises for long term anything in the Apple ecosystem.

Why should the 90% of us who don't need blu-ray in our computers have to pay for it? If you want blu-ray, you can buy a top of the line recorder/player along with needed software for less than $300 that you can Velco on the back of your iMacs stand.

You can be sure that Apple will never include blu-ray, 4K, or 8K on any future computers. The market for creating and playing those formats on your computer is way to small to justify it. If you want it, buy an add-on unit.

Sorry, you just don't get it, Apple is the most profitable Corporation on the planet, your telling me they can't do a cost effective player, or have the OS enabled to work with a third party software to playback and work with BD? Add into that that consumers ought to be able to add their own BD device, or pay for a superdrive with BD ???

Let those who want it get it. enough with thinking that this isn't a real issue. Apple is being closed to BD because they want to PROFIT from software sales and music/movies sales. This is a monopolist issue.

No different than Microsoft locking out other Browsers from their OS. Sorry, but this is something that anti-trust ought to look into
 
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Try again, i actually have an amazing TV. If the video quality were truly crappy i wouldn't use streaming services, but it's not. It's quite livable, it's not grainy at all. I love the convenience of browsing through all the available movies on my ipad and making a watch list and being able to watch them on my tv. It's worth the quality sacrifice to me, mostly because i don't feel that i'm making much of a sacrifice. I don't need to see every blackhead on an actor's face.

Did you know you can also (in most cases, automatically) tag your DVD/BD rips with Subler / iFlicks / other apps? After that, browsing them can be done in almost the same way as with titles from the iTunes Store.
 
If you only *rent*, then, iTunes Store can indeed be (much) cheaper. If you plan to watch the movies more than once, the Amazon and Apple prices are generally the same, apart from the ocassional $10 sales of Apple.

I think the problem most people have is to get around the notion of what "ownership" really mean?

Before you can touch and feel the physical media and you can lend out to your family and friends without much difficulty.

Nowadays you "own" something you don't see and the "rights" to the contents are no longer transferrable easily and legally to family and friends nor can you turn around and resell it when you no longer want it - yet most cost almost the same as physical media. That is the problem with the direction we are heading.
 
Not everyone wanted blu ray for watching movies. Some of us want to burn hd videos for family and friends.

This.

All my important data is pretty much triple backed up; hdd, server and portable media. You never know.

Seriously when I am delivering video masters to customers in OpenEXR, DPX or TIFF format DL blu-ray is the only way to go.
 
Actually... when you use archival quality media, Blu-Ray discs will survive about 10-20 times longer than an average HDD or Flash Media device. HDDs and Flash Media are Not Recommended for Archival level storage.

Theoretically, sure. But those discs are more expensive than the $8-10 per 50GB price I mentioned. Also, there's another issue that people don't tend to think about when they discuss those long-term backup storage concerns. (It's one that NASA has actually run into.)

All but the worst HDD or flash drives will last more than 2-3 years (low-ball estimate), even sitting somewhere safe 'collecting dust'. Even with archival quality Blu-Rays, however, the life-time estimates are just that, estimates based on best-possible storage conditions. For the rest of my post here, I'll assume that they actually live up to their claims in order to demonstrate just how little that will likely mean in the long term.

Take that out to 10-20 times longer, and you're looking at 20-60 years. What was the back-up medium 10 years ago? Tape. What was the back-up medium 60 years ago? Paper.

Find me a tape drive which you can install in your current system that supports a 20 year-old tape format. If you're *lucky*, you'll find an internal port which ran off a floppy port, and be able to find a floppy-to-USB adapter that you can scavenge from an old USB floppy drive. Then you'll run into the issue of finding drivers to let your computer use the device.

Do you expect to be able to find a Blu-Ray compatible drive 20+ years from now? If you can, do you expect your computer then to have drivers to support it?

The unmentioned fact of the matter is that, with the way computer technology changes, a 10 year-old backup is very likely to be absolutely useless to someone even if the media itself is still readable. If you really want long-term backups, you're going to be dependent upon being able to transfer your old backups to modern media periodically.

With the way prices for storage drop, doing this is going to mean buying your backup media based primarily upon storage capacity and read/write speed, and physical storage constraints. Blu-Ray isn't currently superior to *any* of the other common options these days in those categories.

For example, a 3TB desktop HDD takes up significantly less space and is significantly faster than the 60 Blu-Ray disks it would take to store the same amount of data. Additionally, the 3TB drive is significantly less expensive and requires less manual intervention to use. In 10 years when it's getting harder to find SATA equipment than it is to find whatever the newer replacement is, you'll likely be able to transfer all your 3TB backup HDDs onto a single unit of newer storage.
 
If Apple took the advice of everyone that insisted to hang on to older technology, we'd still have floppy drives. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and move on.
 
You actually have a couple of options...
- get a 3rd party blu-ray player
- if you don't like apple's approach and vision, vote with your wallet and not buy their products :)

I can like Apple's products without thinking everything they do is part of a perfect approach and vision, thanks.
 
I need a burner - think it's a bad idea to make a desktop even thinner... And why ? So people cant upgrade ? Money making nothing else.


I need a cd burner, soooo that sucks.
 
I haven't used physical media to watch a movie or TV show in well over a year. All downloads and streaming for me.

That being said, I do video production work and get clients who want DVD copies of projects.
 
The new thin iMac's are sweet. Apple chose HDDVD and lost to blu-ray, what makes you think they would adapt that model when they are making money hand over fist in the itunes store with Digital Downloads? If you're going to fork out $1500-2500 for an imac, and you need blu-ray, spend the extra $200 and get a drive and a program. Every internal CD/DVD drive i've ever had in a mac has failed, good riddance. Need data back-ups? They have USB drives up to 64 GB and they won't scratch, plus they don't take up much room in your fireproof safe. You can buy an external drive that can more than sufficiently back up your entire file structure. Get over it. Embrace change. Problem(s) solved. You're welcome. Have fun replacing your Blu-ray Collection when 4k is the new standard.

Lol you're not the brightest eh? Clearly you would know that Apple has been on the Blu-Ray board from the beginning.

Microsoft chose HD DVD and they lost.

Apple just chose never to adopt blu-ray probably because of the rolaties that they didn't want to pay to Sony. Nice try though. Maybe next time.
 
Except that normally a better technology replaces an older poorer one.

In Apple's case we've gone the other way.

Goodbye CD's and hello compressed audio
Goodbye Bluray and hello compressed video

A lot of people would tell you that vinyl -> CD was a step down. It is all about tradeoffs.
 
I know how important it is for a desktop computer to be so thin and light.

You know - since you look at the face of it - not the side or back.

You know - since you are always moving it from one desk to another

I love the look of the new iMac - don't get me wrong. It's very pretty. But the actual benefit of lighter and thinner is nil.
 
What is the best free software to rip DVDs?

I found something that uses Automator. Unfortunately, after successfully ripping and encoding two movies, I tried to reconfigure it to use an external disk for the storage, and managed to hose up the configuration to the point where I wasn't able to get it working again. I haven't had time to look into it in a while, but my wife hasn't been pestering me about it either.
 
I don't want to download movies from iTunes for the following reasons :

1. Poor video bitrate
2. Poor audio bitrate and lack of HD audio.
3. Lack of extras.

A movie downloaded from iTunes is inferior to a Blu-Ray. When iTunes offers movies that are equal to what is available on Blu-Ray I will consider them.

They also need to enable me to resell a movie downloaded from iTunes or buy a movie second hand. You know, like I can with a Blu-Ray. Can I lend an iTunes download to a friend like I can with a Blu-Ray I buy?

At the moment Apple offer an inferior product for more money. As a rational consumer you would be making an irrational decision to buy an iTunes movie.

I totally agree.
 
Sarcasm noted. Now show me a major brand computer that has ever built in printer.

I seem to recall a Compaq laptop in the mid to late 90s that had a built-in printer. I might have the brand wrong though, and it certainly never caught on. :D
 
BluRay vs Streaming

If it's just an HD TV show I want to watch, I'm content with streaming the content to my 50" HDTV and I use various sources - FIOS OnDemand, Amazon, Apple TV/iTunes, Netflix. Just depends on where the show is available to stream from. As long as the video is HD, the picture quality is usually good enough for me.

But if it's a really good movie that I want to watch with the best quality picture and sound, I will want the BluRay version. Sometimes I buy the BluRay, sometimes I rent it, from say RedBox. Even though the movie might be conveniently available to rent from iTunes in HD, the quality of the BluRay is still superior and I prefer to go BluRay.

At some point down the road, we will have much faster wifi speeds enabling us to stream movies with BluRay quality and better. When that day comes, I'll have no problem giving up the discs. But right now, it's mainly the recently released media is in HD - much of the older media is still standard definition. Plus even with HD, you are not always getting the full, letterboxed image so you're very far from seeing the movie as it was intended.

Same is true with music. When every source for music is at the quality of Apple Lossless or better, then I will give up owning CDs and finally embrace streaming music services. Sorry, 320 kbps doesn't cut it for me.

When I was younger, I envisioned the day when every movie, tv show, album, book, etc would be accessible electronically and instantaneously. It's nice to see that streaming is now being embraced by the public, but now we need the public to demand higher quality video and audio and much faster wifi/cellular networks. The technology is out there already people (just look at how fast networks are at universities where all that illegal downloading of movies is happening) - it just needs to become mainstream.
 
lolz... we people that don't want to put up with Apple's substandard (but still expensive) audio / video quality and, in most cases, complete lack of subtitles, are the Bad, who would want to force poor Average Joes to pay for hardware they'd never use themselves.

You are indeed an iSheep retelling the blatant lies Schiller told you ;)
Oh!! You called me an iSheep! Good one. Throw a "Crapple" in there and you'll have your argument all sewn up.
 
For me, no. How much does three terabytes of USB keys cost? How am I supposed to store and organize them? The Cloud would be great, but how much would around three terabytes of storage cost me per month- forever? Why should I have to continually pay someone to access MY things that I own outright?

I burn a 4.7 gig disc that costs me probably around 20 cents, store them conveniently in a three ring binder, and I have an archive that will last for decades. If you can come up with a storage format that's more convenient and more affordable than that, I'm all ears.

I'm not sure I'd call burning 3TB over 639 different discs convenient. What if you need to recover it all? Are you really going to want to sit there feeding hundreds of DVDs into a computer to get your data back? Or what if your binder is stolen or damaged?

Just get some external storage. For a couple hundred bucks you could have that 3TB on two duplicate drives. If you store one of them off site you'll be in excellent shape to never lose your data for a minimal outlay of cash.
 
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