iTunes downloads in their current HD state would have to be five dollars for new films to even think about it, otherwise I rather get full quality with everything for under ten dollars down the line.
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Phil Schiller Claims Customers Aren't Asking for Built-In Blu-Ray Anymore
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iTunes downloads in their current HD state would have to be five dollars for new films to even think about it, otherwise I rather get full quality with everything for under ten dollars down the line.
Today this day, I have never purchased a BR player and I don't want one. I have enjoyed buying movies in iTunes over the past four years and will continue to do so. I do but them mostly when I see the HD version on sale for $9.99. Very rarely do I pay the $14.99 price.
Same with TV seasons, I wait till the current HD season goes on sale for either $14.99 or $19.99.
And all I'm saying is SOME people want blurays and if not having a bluray begins to affect Apple's bottom line, they'll include one.
Trying to insinuate that apple knows that the majority of their customers want something and then they say "too bad! We'll decide what you want!" is FUD. Look it up.
$9.99 is not TOO horrible for an HD download, still hard to beat the full quality blu-ray that can often be picked up for five dollars or so, however when talking used one has to find what they are looking for and if the funds allow the idea of downloading is MUCH easier. I like the idea of digital comics the method is just messed up as well as the pricing.
I did purchase a season of Doctor Who because it was ten dollars vs forty plus, worth it then. I imagine convenience is a huge factor for many people, simple easy, takes up no real space (I had a fix for that) Everytime I looked it felt like the SD versions were fifteen and HD are twenty which is insane.
Only your logic is flawed. Apple won't really ever know whether or not having a blu-ray player would benefit - or in this case - cost them sales. And what has been mentioned several times in this long thread is that people can and still buy Apple computers - but that doesn't diminish their want/need for a blu-ray player.
Personally - I've just accepted that Apple won't ever include it. At least now they aren't marketing their Pro software as being amazing at authoring all media and NOT including a blu-ray player because I found that fact quite funny.
And it's not a far stretch to what he said. Apple has purposely decided they don't want to include blu-ray players in their machines. Phil claims it's because people aren't asking for them. But what does that even mean? Is Phil trying to suggest that they report back every customer who states they want a blu-ray player? They couldn't possibly know.They hear from a vocal minority of people who are "pissed off" - other could care but don't scream and shout about it.
At the end of the day - Apple does what Apple wants to do. And that is their right. Phil's comment was ludicrous and out of touch. Customers don't ask for a lot of things - doesn't mean they don't want or need them.
So you're am expert on how much the parts and licensing cost and did cost.
Nice to met ya.
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That's a big IF. They have had no such exodus even with the SuperDrive being yanked out.
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Prices are pretty crazy, especially on TV shows. And then there's the box set games, seasons randomly missing, shows in SD only etc. but all of that is because The Studios, not Apple, has the power on these issues.
I agree, it doesn't appear to be as big a deal as some on this forum would have you believe.
Or as been mentioned. People just accept it. That's not the same as it not being a big deal or people being pissed off about it.
You can't tell either way. There's no way to "prove" either point. Which is, again, why I think Phil's comment was ludicrous.
That's exactly it.
That's my only gripe with Apple and their PC'S, they only offer one lower priced desktop, one premium desktop, and one pro desktop.
Laptop?
You have to choose between upgradability and a DVD drive or the best screen with an SSD.
Why not make a retina macbook with a solid state drive that can be upgraded?
The classic mbp should be released with a retina screen and updated specs while the current retina should still be sold for those that want the super lightweight model.
Problem solved.
Forcing customers to choose between dvd drive, no SSD, memory upgrades, SSD drive upgrades, option to remove the dvd drive and use 2 SSD's,
Or
Lightweight, SSD, NO DVD DRIVE, yet no upgradability and a proprietary SSD connector isn't good at all.
But, we love the OS so much we deal with frustrating things.
My wife almost got the retina pro, but when she saw the was no dvd drive and a smaller amount of storage, she passed. When I explained to her about ram upgrades and after I upgraded her mother's 2011 macbook to max memory, she saw how important that was.
If Apple listened to us, i honestly think they would all way more and have that super high stock price again
Not once have I said that apple pleases everyone. My original post in this thread was dispelling the idiotic insinuation that apple just ignores its customers and tells them what to do.
You don't become the most valuable tech company in the world by ignoring your users needs. Of course there are users who just tolerate it and you and your wife are some of those. But trying to imply (not saying you are) that what you feel is the majority feeling makes no sense. Why? Because that would mean that apple IS actively ignoring everything their users say and just doing what they want. If they were doing that the only way they'd be so successful is if they were in fact doing what the tinfoil hat wearers say they're doing: brainwashing their users
Using common sense, it's quite easy to see that while they do not please everyone, they are also just not ignoring everything their customers say, which again is what I said in my original post in response to the person who said that's what they do. I don't know how or why it went off on such a ridiculous non related tangent.
Sure you do. You contributed to it by taking the OPs comments as an absolute when clearly it was truth mixed with snark. But if you can't recognize that - then I can understand how you don't know how this went on a ridiculous non-related tangent. Which by the way - wasn't unrelated. It's all related because we're talking about how Apple does or does not listen to its customers. Or more specifically in this case - Phil's comment was ridiculous because there's no way of him truly knowing that customers don't want blu-ray players in a mac. It's not like they offer the option and have done comparative analysis.
Yes, if only it were possible to do market research such as:
1) asking people what they want
2) comparing sales of Macs to comparable competitor computers which offer Blu-Ray
3) etc.
But as you say, the only way to validate Schiller's claim is A/B testing, with Apple offering devices which are identical except for the inclusion of a Blu-Ray player or not.
Because Apple has not done this, the only reasonable conclusion is that Apple does not listen to customers.
Don't go introducing logic now, people don't like that here....of course apple knows what their customers want based on surveys and market research.
It's really amazing that anyone is implying that a company that makes a billion dollars a week ignores their customers and manages to stay successful. The leap of logic is astounding.
I didn't make that leap. Nor did the OP. He was being snarky. Do you really not see that?
Name brand players can now be had for $50-70, about another $10 and get WiFi capabilities.
You know you can rent blu-ray for $1.50 from Redbox if buying them for $5-20 is too much.
Name brand players can now be had for $50-70, about another $10 and get WiFi capabilities.
You know you can rent blu-ray for $1.50 from Redbox if buying them for $5-20 is too much.
Blu-Ray movies are often the same if not less than iTunes for HD purchasing.
So the "expensive" argument is silly.
I guess you haven't looked very hard, then.
VLC plays right off the drive here. As far as I know (although I haven't used the others), so do the other three players (although at least two of them supposedly ripped off VLC code from what I've read from the VLC guys).
Thanks for the heads up. Didn't know they had commercial BD playback ability on VLC now. You're right, I haven't looked hard, mostly because I don't have a BD drive on my computer so I can't play BD discs on it anyway. I want to get a burner but I'm waiting for prices to fall a bit more.
I've had the impression there is decryption/patent issues that prevented real time reading from commercial discs. And while I maintain an up-to-date copy of VLC on my machine, I almost never open it because it's a lousy video player by Windows standards. It's only good point is it's the simplest app to install and run. It's good to keep around to play broken files or streams that aren't in proper containers.
Eh? While I wouldn't call VLC the prettiest player in the world, it's hardly what I'd call lousy. It's the one program that plays everything, and does a good job of it. It's fast, sound's good, and it produces a nice picture. The UI is about the only bad thing about it.
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Customers aren't asking for blu ray drives any more because they've given up and gone external.
first:
thats funny., I had a laugh
2nd: I have no clue what bearing this has to the topic of Apple's claims they know what teh consumer wants despite overwhelming demand ofr otherwise. This topic never was ever about Google... so... good fanboy.. good.
3rd: if you knew a thing about the ecosystems you're trying to attack for no reason other than your panties are in a knot, you'll know that this isn't even how the google ecosystem works at all. it's not vertically integrated like Apples. It's an open source platform. Google and Android has absolutely zero power over the versions that make it to the handset. They only make their latest version, create it as open source code and say "HAVE AT IT BOYS! ANYONE WHO WANTS IT COME GET IT".
the blame for the slow or even non existant updates to the devices lies at the feet of the vendor who makes the devices, and then the Carriers who are responsble for distributing them. In a case for example with Samsung devices, samsung doesn't want you to have stock android. They use their touchwiz customized android. Only once they have redone it, with their skinns and modifications do they then release it to the carrier, who has to vet it and then distribute it. I frankly hate this policy as well, And Apple by far exceeds the Android community when it comes to its ability to distribute updates in a cleaner and stock manner.
this still doesn't have anything at all to do with the fact that Apple frequently ignores public demand for things, offers something else, and then offers up the "deal with it" response.
in the Mac scene, it didnt really bite them in the but, Since in the desktop environment, Mac's still are a relatively tiny player. But it bit them in iOS6 with the Maps fiasco.
and yes, i aws being completely and utterly snarky in my comment. I thought i was being amusing, by using Hyperbole mixed with humour.
Do some customers want Blu Ray.
Absolutely
Is it something that everyone everywhere, demand and beg and clamour for? I dont know if i'd make that stretch.
the simple thing is the response you gave is completely ludicrus because, what I said in jest and joke with no real basis other than a general feeling, you retorted with a completely out of left field. there's no comparison to a companies decision to provide a requested functionality or feature, with a channels dominating control over system updates.
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You should really continue reading the thread before you rant.
So just to be clear when you do it it's jest and snarkiness and when I do it it's out of left field?
Do you have any proof, even an inkling that apple is purposely holding back bluray because they tell the customers what to do?
No? Then your comment was just as much out of left field as mine. Of course you don't see that because you're being "snarky".
I was being snarky and sarcastic too, is all forgiven? Is that all I have to say to cop out of something that is a straight up lie I said?
Your comment was just as silly as mine. The fact that you just ranted in defense of it proves that.
well, if you're being snarky and having fun, and meant ti in jest... than all is forgiven.
you were missing the snarky smiley
oi
Apparently so did I
well, if you're being snarky and having fun, and meant ti in jest... than all is forgiven.
you were missing the snarky smiley
oi
Apparently so did I
Not a problem, I'm glad the person I was actually responding to understands. Everyone else just went bezerk over what was very clearly a sarcastic response to your post.
Cheers!