People always seem to forget that there's a reason Amazon's and Google's devices are so much cheaper: the person buying it isn't the customer, they're the product.
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Phil Schiller Defends iPad Mini Pricing Decision
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People always seem to forget that there's a reason Amazon's and Google's devices are so much cheaper: the person buying it isn't the customer, they're the product.
I rest my case. Google’s own pile of apps—mostly mini-apps, many on iPad as well, are NOT in the same league as the best iPad apps. They’re great in some cases, but not as broadly powerful. Again, look at the list I posted. Google Remote? Google Shopper? Not what I’m taking about. Where is Procreate, GarageBand, Numbers, Bento and the like?
You’ve proven that Android has some decent mid-level apps, but that was never in doubt... although iPad has even more! What about the higher-end power and the very best UX design? Where’s the top-end on Android? Answer: it’s MUCH smaller.
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Selling at cost is stupid, that's the kind of business practice that causes stock market crashes and instability etc.
I think $329 sounds a little high to me compared with perceived build costs but I'm sure a couple of gens in and price will come down or be relatively low compared to other products. The ipad is already several years ahead of other tablets, screen being so much further ahead as the main pull.
It's not on my 'to buy' list but this will be a big christmas seller as a present.
What you have to ask is what corners do other companies cut to make profits and how much of a slice they are taking from content.
It all reminds me of the XBox and Play station console wars and in the end selling at cost meant no company won and it's taken years to make that money back putting the whole ecosystem at risk.
Apple only makes products and sells content but all these other budget tablet companies are huge and use profits from other sectors to fund lost leaders and I personally think that's unfair and responsible. People are always saying apple is the big evil company but I think it's actually the opposite and apple is actually being bullied rather than the other way round.
I think $329 sounds a little high to me compared with perceived build costs but I'm sure a couple of gens in and price will come down or be relatively low compared to other products. The ipad is already several years ahead of other tablets, screen being so much further ahead as the main pull.
It's not on my 'to buy' list but this will be a big christmas seller as a present.
What you have to ask is what corners do other companies cut to make profits and how much of a slice they are taking from content.
It all reminds me of the XBox and Play station console wars and in the end selling at cost meant no company won and it's taken years to make that money back putting the whole ecosystem at risk.
Apple only makes products and sells content but all these other budget tablet companies are huge and use profits from other sectors to fund lost leaders and I personally think that's unfair and responsible. People are always saying apple is the big evil company but I think it's actually the opposite and apple is actually being bullied rather than the other way round.
The reason they are cheap is because nobody would buy them at the prices Apple is selling. Cheap price is the only way you can sell a Kindle Fire in masses.
Apple's competitors are selling the 7" pads at cost, just to get folks in their ecosystem. Apple make HUGE profit margins, so setting the price at $299 would have made sense to lure more people in. What is the purpose of a 7" pad if not to get new entry customers. Forgoing $30 of profits now would have brought Apple millions of new customers who will now go to one of the other 7" pad.....JMHO
The only games on iOS that are console level that is not available on the Nexus 7 that I can think of are Inifity Blade games and that popular racing racing game series. Shadow Gun, Need for Speed, Mass Effect and EA sports games are all also on Nexus 7 with similar GFX.
And since you own Apple stock, you should be happy. IPad mini was never suppose to be a 'Nexus killer'. What is does is establish a mid tier market. As a stockholder, would you want them to sell 20 million units at $249 and $0 profit to 'kill' the Nexus, or sell 8 million units at $329 and $80 profit while Nexus gets their share as well?
Why would Apple try to compete directly with Google and Amazon when their business model is to sell the hardware at cost to gain entry into the market? What Apple is trying to do is to create a premium market (not in term of technical specs but in terms of build quality, reliability, etc) for a slight premium price. There is a market for both the iPad mini and the Nexus.
With that logic, why wouldn't they price it at $398?
I mean, after all, that would be fair because it is the lowest entry price for a new ipad, right?
I didn't underestimate anything, I conceded. That means I admit the statement is correct.
Folks that say that tend to not have a realistic view of the costs of things. They forget costs like R&D, licensing fees, labor costs, running those pretty Apple Stores where they camp out to get their new stuff. Yes Apple makes a lot of money but it's not as much as you think.
But hey there is a solution, DON'T BUY APPLE STUFF. Easy as pie and you don't have to worry about that "Apple Tax"
Oh, do we know for sure how much RAM is in the iPad mini? Or are you just guessing?
I would weigh what you don't know against what I don't know and I have a feeling you'd come out on top...just saying. But hey, keep up the hateraide!
Says the guy who has never actually used an iPad Mini so doesn't really KNOW what he's talking about
I am not sure the extra $30 would make a huge difference and I think the Mimi's margin is already in the lower end. At $299, would it be more attractive, sure. But you would still have the same people who would say that the Nexus is still cheaper and a better deal. The consensus before the event was that it would be in the $299 - $349 price point and so I think the price is quite reasonable.
Who needs those apps? Why would anyone want to do creative work on a small screen? Do it on desktop and be 10x more productive. It's just a waste of time to do it on a tablet (and especially a phone). And surely there are apps like Procreate and Bento on Android.
You have no clue what I am talking about.
If you work in business you buy through resellers who give discounts.
If you work in business you buy through resellers who give discounts.
The 4G model gets GPS. There's never been a Wifi only model (iPod Touch, iPad) with GPS.
So what exactly is your position at Apple. That must be how you know this and can be so firm with your statement.
yeah, thought so
We don't know how much actual RAM the iPad mini will have yet until the teardowns. Unless they've released that info already.
More cores means blah blah blah. Ok...sure. But I like how you ignored my request to show real examples of how this is better on say the Nexus 7 and how it runs circles around something like the iPad. Yes, more cores theoretically would make things faster, but who cares if nothing takes advantage of it. Since there's no software to do a head-to-head comparison to show how 4-cores in a tablet blows away 2 cores in the iPad, we're all talking out of our a$$es.
Which I expected everyone to do when I wrote that. Glad I wasn't disappointed.
tards
I love all the comments from the tard experts...
People who complain about a price difference of $329 instead of $299, a difference of $30. $30 would not cover taking a date to a movie these days. But most would not understand that. So think of it as 6 Starbuck lattes, or 10 energy drinks.
And they are probably paying $1500 to $2000 in fees when they sign a 2 year cell phone contact.
When someone whips out their plastic to buy a mini tablet I don't see saving $30 or even $75 will make them not choose an Apple iPad mini. If they want an iPad mini they will get one.
If there Mom won't increase their allowance by $30, then I guess they are stuck with a Kindle or an Android.
I love all the comments from the tard experts...
People who complain about a price difference of $329 instead of $299, a difference of $30. $30 would not cover taking a date to a movie these days. But most would not understand that. So think of it as 6 Starbuck lattes, or 10 energy drinks.
And they are probably paying $1500 to $2000 in fees when they sign a 2 year cell phone contact.
When someone whips out their plastic to buy a mini tablet I don't see saving $30 or even $75 will make them not choose an Apple iPad mini. If they want an iPad mini they will get one.
If there Mom won't increase their allowance by $30, then I guess they are stuck with a Kindle or an Android.
Yea I just realized the Kindle had "sponsored ads". Ugh. I think Ill opt for the Mini now.
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Yea, I think I want the Mini now, especially for size.
iPad mini more than iPod Touch
Actually it's not $30 it's $130 for the same 32GB configuration.
Excuse the pun, but you must compare Apples to Apple.
Actually it's not $30 it's $130 for the same 32GB configuration.
Excuse the pun, but you must compare Apples to Apple.
And do you have the actual costs to Apple for those servers etc. And numbers to show that said 30% is paying over those costs. Keeping in mind that many apps are free and those Apple gets nothing but still has to pay the support costs for said apps.
Then why would they always promote they are for Teachers and School systems?
If you think School Budgets are huge like Apple I have a bridge to sell you.
If you think School Budgets are huge like Apple I have a bridge to sell you.
I would argue this point. There are pros and cons to both. For you, the pros for Nexus 7 will outweighs the cons. For others, different criteria are more important to them so the iPad mini is better.
There are Chinese knockoffs that have Nexus 7 specs and are cheaper than Nexus 7 as well.
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