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Only one catch.
Apple did release it's budget market tablet computer first. The iPod Touch.
It's only marketed as iPod. When really it's just as much as a computer as the iPhone and iPad is.

Even though it's functionally a tablet (just like the iPhone is functionally a tablet), the Touch doesn't occupy the budget tablet market. Most people aren't going, I want a tablet but an iPad is too expensive so I'm gonna buy a touch instead. They're going, I want a tablet but an iPad is too expensive so I'm gonna buy a Kindle/Nook/Nexus.

The budget market consists of tablets with $200 pricepoints and 7 inch screens. The space also wasn't worthwhile until last Christmas, when Amazon and B&N expanded the market and made budget tablets a profitable space to compete in
 
No - he paid that for a product that has been out for 7 months. Does he have a right to be pissed. I guess it all depends on when he bought it and whether or not he feels he has enjoyed it/has received value from it.

But there will always be new tech to follow old. If people always waited until the NEXT big thing - they wouldn't get to enjoy the current big thing.

I bought mine 7 months ago. And I'm annoyed.

Generally, Apple has waited 12 (sometimes 10-14; or longer) months before updating iPads/iPods/iPhones and iPod Touches. Someone who bought one two months ago if they looked (say at https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ ) at the past saw they probably wouldn't get something new until next year and probably figured that into their purchasing thoughts, I don't want to wait 8 months (but they might have waited two)...

Apple changes computer lines less often than that (generally) but does sometimes does speed (processor/buss) step increases in-between but generally doesn't make a big deal out of it since (generally) nothing else changes.

Gary
 
Here is the gist of my concern with the pricing (this might get long, and definitely will get certain people angry, but remember, it's my perspective and opinion).

It comes down to price for what you get. And we're all looking at it in comparative purposes as we should. But what exactly is the price premium and what do we get for that premium over the competition.

First, I look at the fact if we do go ipad mini, there is absolutely a premium price involved. on comaritive 32gb models, that difference is as noted earlier, 65%.

Spec comparison has been done to death, but I have to look at the CPU. Not necessarily performance, cores and speed, But age of the lifecycle of the parts in use.

The N7 for example uses NVidia's latest commercial offering Tegra 3. This is a relatively young platform and thus the costs associated with it, are currently higher than what an older product would generally cost. As the lifecycle of any product extends, so does relative costs of production due to scale.

Apples choice to go with the A5 CPU in the ipad mini is what to me really stands out as the big question on price. The A5 is not Apples latest and newest CPU. Especially with the release of the A6x in iphone and ipad. The a5 can be considered a "old" product and thus established. The costs of producing this chip should have dramatically reduced over the course of time as production on it is refined and costs associated with it's invention are covered.

now coming to the Screen. it not being "retina" seems to be a sticking point with regards to the cost. Why? because it's not retina. it'ss not even as high density as the cheapest competitors. While there's more to screen quality than just resolution, it is a very important aspect. a lower resolution screen built on existing and older production methods is far cheaper and easier to make. So far (and haven't been confirmed), the LCD in the ipad mini isn't any dramatically new technology or device, and wouldn't be using any newer or more advanced production techniques than any of the competitors higher resolution panels.

I cannot comment on the unibody construction, but apple again has been at that for a long time now, and costs of manufacturing them shoudl have decreased. Though since this is a new form factor, it's hard to tell.

Then we look at some of the features that Apple have. no NFC, No GPS and so on. these again are seemingly to consumer ommissions, and should take away from the over all cost of hardware. Not having something should never cost more than having it.

So thats where we get to the crux of it. for the 32gb versions of either, you will pay a 65% higher premium for Apple's release. This brings us to the non tangibles. the feel. The "does this feel right for me". "Do i preffer iOS or Android" or the like. or "is the Apple ecosystem worth that much more to me than the Android ecoystem?"

these are the personal questions. the ones that hardware stats and figures wont tell. So the question becomes are those worth 65% more to you?

But the general believe i've seen, is that the hardware itself doesn't make up for such a dramatic premium. This is why the question keeps coming up as to why it's priced so high.

How this concerns me with Apple, is a return to the "apple tax" days of 10 or so years ago.

When you as a company have to go on record to defend your price point, compare it to your competition and can only use buzz words and comparisons to your own higher end products for evalution of your current price, You have to seriously reconsider that you may have in fact, over estimated your items worth.

Do I think that Apple iPad mini can demand a premium price over the competition? Does Apple's existing goodwill, knowledge of the industry, class leading industrial design and reputable ecosystem and app structure allow for a premium? Aboslutely.

I just believe that the value that they've assigned to that premium is off the mark. 299 would have been seen as a much more reasonable start. a 299 32gb ipad mini would be a bargain in my mind. a 329 16gb model isnt.
 
Hopefully customers will send them a message by not buying...but I dont really have faith in the general public, Apple has done an excellent job at manipulating the media into giving them a premium image and positive reviews so the clueless will buy it regardless.

Have they ever had to pull a product off the market after it bombed in such a short time?
 
Unconvinced

I had hoped that Apple's strategy for the iPad would be like the strategy it had for the iPod -- willing to forgo big profits on the low-end just to make sure they had the whole spectrum covered, thereby benefiting the whole iPod ecosystem.

I told myself on Monday that a $250 iPad mini is a no-brainer, a $300 dollar iPad mini is something I might eventually talk myself into, but more than that and I walk away. So I'm walking away.

This is the first time I've ever felt that Apple has said to me, "We don't care about your price point, if you don't want to pay our premium, go elsewhere" and I have then turned around and started checking out the competition.

That is, this is the first time I am consciously stepping outside the Apple ecosystem because that is the way Apple is telling me it wants me to go.
 
... The ones who think Apple really cares that they are going to buy a Kindle instead of an iPad because the price of the iPad is too much.

It's already been established that Apple cares. That's why the Mini exists in the first place.

We even know that it was a 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab that convinced a top Apple exec to try to get Jobs to enter this size market.

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I can't believe how ignorant some of the people are on this forum. Mainly im talking about the apple fans here. Every other post is bashing Android for reasons that are simply untrue and they refuse to learn the truth.

I admit, I am biased towards Android and I currently own the Galaxy Nexus. But I understand that Android falls short in some categories to IOS and vice versa. Neither OS is perfect but I prefer Android. But just because I may prefer Android DOES NOT necessarily mean Android is better than IOS.

Some people need to open up their minds and quit being so close minded.
 
The companies I named are in business to make a profit. Same thing. I've never heard anyone here bragging about how much money their power company made. Or how well their favorite grocery store was doing. But if it's the almighty Apple it's great to get fleeced.

A few people here are stockholders, I'd assume those are the happy-to-be-fleecing crowd. That and there are some wanton fanboys loose here, but there's no accounting for that particular degree of peculiarity.
 
malware for everyone

Rampant malware????
Never had that experience. if you go downloading apps from unknown sources, yes... But you can get the same thing ii you jailbreak an iOS device so the argument is specious at best.

Look, I happen to own both.
I actually like *BOTH*.
Neither is actually better, they are just different.
Given by the fact that my six year old is fully capable of operating and navigating either with ease.

Android apps used by millions vulnerable to password, e-mail theft
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/10/android-apps-expose-passwords-e-mail-and-more/

Is Google's Play Market an unknown source?

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I can't believe how ignorant some of the people are on this forum. Mainly im talking about the apple fans here. Every other post is bashing Android for reasons that are simply untrue and they refuse to learn the truth.

I admit, I am biased towards Android and I currently own the Galaxy Nexus. But I understand that Android falls short in some categories to IOS and vice versa. Neither OS is perfect but I prefer Android. But just because I may prefer Android DOES NOT necessarily make Android better than IOS.

Some people need to open up their minds and quit being so close minded.

Most of the comments actually seem to start out with Android trolls bashing Apple, and then the Apple fans respond in defense.

Your profile shows you just joined the forum this month. And you are an Android user. So why are you here? Trolling?
 
Android apps used by millions vulnerable to password, e-mail theft
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/10/android-apps-expose-passwords-e-mail-and-more/

Is Google's Play Market an unknown source?

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Most of the comments actually seem to start out with Android trolls bashing Apple, and then the Apple fans respond in defense.

Your profile shows you just joined the forum this month. And you are an Android user. So why are you here? Trolling?

Again, how is he trolling?
 
I had hoped that Apple's strategy for the iPad would be like the strategy it had for the iPod -- willing to forgo big profits on the low-end just to make sure they had the whole spectrum covered, thereby benefiting the whole iPod ecosystem.

I told myself on Monday that a $250 iPad mini is a no-brainer, a $300 dollar iPad mini is something I might eventually talk myself into, but more than that and I walk away. So I'm walking away.

This is the first time I've ever felt that Apple has said to me, "We don't care about your price point, if you don't want to pay our premium, go elsewhere" and I have then turned around and started checking out the competition.

That is, this is the first time I am consciously stepping outside the Apple ecosystem because that is the way Apple is telling me it wants me to go.

don't you love then, as a shopper, that Apple during their product launch even showcased it's direct competition for you?

I also think this was their next problem. They KNOW it is priced high. If you have to during your press release talk about what your competitor doesn't have, just to justify why your product is priced the way it is, The product isn't worth what you say it is. IMHO, if apple truly believed that the product they were selling at that price was just it would "sell itself". isntead they spent 10 minutes why they believe you should spend X amount more for their product.

Let me say, i was similar to you. I've been using a Blackberry PLaybook for a bit now. I bought it last December for 159.99, and at that price point I believe it to be an absolute steal. I didnt have to nitpick specs cause the product at that price sold itself.

As you can guess, I have been interested in replacing it, since The questionable health of RIM. I told myself i would seriously consider an ipad mini should they ever release it. Having a few family members with iPads, its an ecosystem i wouldn't be aposed to, since I already do have Apple products. But I am not rich. I cannot just spend my money just because i want something. I have to justify the costs and attempt to get the most bang for my buck. at 299, I would have seriously considered it. At 249, i'd be lining up. at 329. I am walking away.
 
Phil showed an interesting actual screen size comparison with iPad mini vs 7" competitor screens driven by Android.

That screen size comparison was a sneaky trick by apple. Apple had the android device show the address bar and the page tabs but photoshoped them out. I have attached what a screen shot of the same page on my android device with a 1280x800 resolution screen that shows what you really see in full screen mode.
 

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You can't be serious. How am I trolling?

I guess I wasn't aware that because I own an Android device I'm not allowed on an Apple website.
 
That screen size comparison was a sneaky trick by apple. Apple had the android device show the address bar and the page tabs but photoshoped them out. I have attached what a screen shot of the same page on my android device with a 1280x800 resolution screen that shows what you really see in full screen mode.
Yeah I have no idea where Apple got the near 21:9 ratio for the Nexus 7. Even with the widgets or tabs on the edge.
 
I had hoped that Apple's strategy for the iPad would be like the strategy it had for the iPod -- willing to forgo big profits on the low-end just to make sure they had the whole spectrum covered, thereby benefiting the whole iPod ecosystem.

Their iPod strategy was
1. Release the iPod Classic, blowing up the overall market to make it profitable and capturing the premium market
2. Release the iPod Mini, creating a midrange market and expanding the overall market
3. Release the Shuffle, finally going after the budget market with a cheap product

They're doing the exact same thing here. That iPad Mini is step 2. Everybody complaining thinks they're on step 3
 
Apple can get away with charging higher prices for their products because they have a very large and loyal customer base (fanboys)
 
Euro Zones Getting totally screwed!

Is anyone else outraged by the fact that apple are applying an additional approx cost of 100 Dollars on it's entry level iPad Mini in Europe (at least in Ireland- haven't checked else where). It is charging €339 which roughy equates to $439. Even more outrageous are costs for entry level iMac. In Ireland we're getting charged €1399 which equates to roughly $1,800 dollars, that's nearly 500 dollars more than to buy it stateside. This is unbelievable. Previously prices were far more comparable. WTF is apple playing at? Don't tell me the cost is down to shipping and handling as there is no way in hell it equates to 500 per unit, especially with the volumes they would be shipping!! Anyone??

Yours.. Baffled!
 
Yeah, screw all the amazing apps you'd actually USE that screen for and go have fun with the Kindle Fire.

The two don't even compare, and Apple knows it. THAT'S why it's $329.

Not really true. I for one am a lover of all Apple products but I'm very upset about the mini. For one, I think it's a little overpriced for why your getting. Last years hardware. Not like I'm goin to go buy an android tab but am going to wait for the next mini. And the reason it's 329 is because Apple products are what's Kool right now. They are the hip things to own. So truely to say because the device is great and that's why it will see is wrong. A lot of people buy Apple stuff because its "cool" to own
 
The iPad mini has one thing that the "Nexus series" will never have: iOS. That's the differentiating factor. It's about the OS and the ecosystem that supports that OS. You can quote specs, you can get into a lather about "leatherette," whatever. But what you can't do is deny that Apple has moved 100 million iPads, at higher prices than $329, and they'll sell as many of these new iPad minis as they can build.

I don't disagree in that the iPad mini is worth it's price, because really it is. It will sell fantastically, But the Nexus 7 will very soon have something that the iPad will maybe never have: Ubuntu. That means jack to the consumers that drive the numbers up, But really a device that can run a LAMP stack with a modern touch based UI and an accessible file system (with the best file browser around). That changes the game for me. I'm not interested in android. iOS developers make incredible apps, and the apps are what makes a device worth owning, but Ubuntu? yea they have apps too, and they are so much more powerful than anything iOS or Android offer.
 
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