Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, Phil Schiller, recently continued the company's stance against turning its desktop and laptop devices into touch screen-enabled computers, which some customers believe could be advantageous additions to the macOS platform. With the new addition of the "Touch Bar" on the MacBook Pro line, seen by some as a potential step towards a full-on Mac touch screen, many Apple executives have come out saying this isn't the case.

    Speaking with Backchannel, Schiller has now stated that a multi-touch display on a MacBook "wouldn't be enough," because it would begin a divide between MacBook and iMac. But, if the company implemented the same touch screen on a desktop it would "become absurd," due to the iMac's main source of user interaction -- the keyboard and mouse or trackpad -- residing too far away from where users would raise their hand to interact with the screen. Ultimately, Schiller said this line of thought is "lowest common denominator thinking."

    All the same, Schiller confirmed that Apple has tried out touch screens on a Mac in its labs over the last few years and the company "absolutely come away with the belief that it isn't the right thing to do," he said. "Our instincts were correct." When asked whether the Touch Bar was the beginning of a larger influence by iOS on the macOS platform, Schiller said this was not the case.
    In regards to the MacBook Pro's switch to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports, and the subsequent frustration by some users who fear needing to purchase and keep track of many dongles, Schiller said that "we're absolutely more sure than ever that we've done the right thing," because of the standard that USB-C is set to become. For context regarding the amount of cables available, MacRumors recently collected some USB-C adapters and dongles available from Apple and third-party accessory makers into a roundup.

    Ultimately, Schiller said that the "fundamental difference" between the MacBook Pro's naysayers and fans is divided between those who have not yet interacted with the laptop, and those who have. Thankfully, many more will be able to get a chance to use the MacBook Pro and Touch Bar as the first round of shipments have begun arriving to pre-order customers today.

    Article Link: Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop
  2. 840quadra Moderator


    Staff Member

    Feb 1, 2005
    Twin Cities Minnesota
    I guess it all depends on the form factor. The way microsoft did the slate, looks like it could also apply to Apple's products, if they chose to go that way.
  3. 2457248 Suspended

    Apr 4, 2016
    whereas a touch bar on a laptop makes perfect sense :confused:
  4. Mac Fly (film), Nov 14, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2016

    Mac Fly (film) macrumors 65816

    Mac Fly (film)

    Feb 12, 2006
    Apple tests before releasing. MR forum members review before testing.
  5. SoApple macrumors regular

    Sep 21, 2012
  6. samcraig macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    Perfect article to come out to "combat" some of the recent reviews.

    I don't agree with him about the cables though. That is one of the most talked about ires customers have. It was also one of my key reasons not to purchase (at this time).
  7. jclardy macrumors 68040


    Oct 6, 2008
  8. thasan macrumors 6502a

    Oct 19, 2007
    i think it actually does cause its easier to reach and u dont have to raise ur hand.
    usb c is a different story!
  9. NoNothing macrumors 6502

    Aug 9, 2003
    I sit here programming on my 27" iMac (2009 vintage) and I know exactly what Phil is saying. The thought of interfaces having a mixed screen touch and mouse/touch pad interface makes my shoulders and neck hurt thinking about it. BTW: I have used some Win10 interfaces where the mouse/touch interfaces are mixed. PAINFUL.
  10. yaxomoxay macrumors 68030


    Mar 3, 2010
    what's the difference with the advertised iPP w/ keyboard?
    Yes, it's absurd if you keep the very same system. It's not absurd if you improve it to make touchscreens useful.
  11. pier macrumors 6502a


    Feb 7, 2009
    Can you imagine a 27-inch iMac where you have to reach over the air to try to touch and do things? That becomes absurd.

    Which is why you just need to move the screen so that it is more accessible like Microsoft did.
  12. amegicfox, Nov 14, 2016
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    amegicfox macrumors 6502


    Apr 19, 2016
    if schiller said it, then 'it must be true'

    in the mean time microsoft just released a gorgeous touch screen / pen enabled 28" computer that apple should have released

    apple is behaving like when blackberry said customers loved their phones with a physical keyboard

    apple will be bankrupt or sold very soon
  13. webbuzz macrumors 65816


    Jul 24, 2010
  14. BWhaler macrumors 68030


    Jan 8, 2003
    Microsoft found the same thing, so they created the ability for the screen to move into a position natural for touch and interacting with content.
  15. Mac Fly (film) macrumors 65816

    Mac Fly (film)

    Feb 12, 2006
    You mean they one that starts at $3,000, was introduced by an oily car salesman who looked to be from the show Jersey Shore, the machine you've reviewed and tested extensively and is for a niche user base? The iMac starts at 1/3 its cost btw.
  16. yaxomoxay macrumors 68030


    Mar 3, 2010
    you're putting it as if it were mutually exclusive with current input devices.
    Plus, check out what MS just did.
  17. vertical smile macrumors 68030

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    When I see what MS did and I immediately thought of the iMac G4.

    Apple could have done this, and it would have been considered revolutionary if they had.
  18. blackcrayon macrumors 68000

    Mar 10, 2003
    It does. It adds an additional option for interaction without needing to reach up to the main screen. It also expands the multitouch capabilities of the trackpad by giving you another "axis" that you can control with your other hand.
  19. melendezest Suspended

    Jan 28, 2010
    Perfect example of Apple's hubris.

    That or they're flat-out lying in order to sell you two devices and save themselves the engineering and R&D of doing one device that converts.

    I would buy a convertible Mac that ran iOS when in tablet/tent/display mode and ran macOS when in L-form. I wouldn't even mind paying a (reasonable) "premium" for it.

    I'm guessing this'll happen several years from now, when Apple leaves Intel for ARM and their AX chips.
  20. tkatz macrumors 6502

    Dec 14, 2009
    But the TouchBar doesn't... ?

    See the Surface Studio.
  21. aaronhead14 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 9, 2009
    Lack of innovation. Of COURSE it'd be absurd if you had to reach across your desk. But look at the Surface Studio, how it moves and adjusts to be at the PERFECT drawing angle. THAT is innovation!
  22. pier macrumors 6502a


    Feb 7, 2009
    Um that was precisely my point?
  23. JilzVT macrumors member

    Apr 20, 2010
    I hate Schiller, but he's right on this one.
  24. Merlyn3D macrumors 6502

    May 15, 2006
    Exactly. I played with this at the microsoft store. It seems like Microsoft did an excellent job with it, and the dial is just icing on the cake.
  25. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020


    Jun 12, 2015
    And now everyone finds Apple's desktops absurd. Everything worked itself out.

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