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I remember getting a 1st gen iPad. And then two years later Apple dropped support for it in iOS and I decided that's the last iPad I'll ever get.
It was supported in iOS 5, released in 2012. It was dropped from iOS 6 in 2013. My dad still used his until 2015, when he replaced it with an Air 2. It cost $499.

So $8 a month. For his only computer. Replacing it next year with a 3rd generation Air—still only $499. He considers it the smartest thing he’s ever bought. ymmv ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
amazing how many people are still asking for full mouse support (not the accessibility feature) on the iPad or touch support on the MacBook.

you don't need it.
I do want mouse support for iOS. If we can have keyboard hardware support, I don't see why we can't have mouse support. And it would help the iPad become a truer laptop "replacement" than it already is.
 
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So what exactly can you do on a Pro that you can't on an Air? The original concept of the iPad was of course an 'in between' device as well not a full computer replacement.
Which also begs the question of why the Pro is as expensive as it is. It is purely artificial in the sense that it can "do more" or even "do better".

The Pro has just has been gifted all of Apple's latest ideas, while those have been simply withheld from the lower priced model, in order to create the lower priced model.

For the first several years of both iPhone and iPad, Apple put their best effort forward and charged the exact same amount as last year. That was what drove massive amounts of annual upgrades (organically) and led to upsetting the entire market in its conception of "upgrades".

This is the fact that drives people mad today when it comes to Apple's new pricing strategy. It is only a recent development on Apple's part (post Steve Jobs) where the "new model" approach is "Add a feature, add $50 to the price".
 
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It would of truly been interesting if Steve was still around now and where the direction of Apple would go. Maybe in another parallel universe.
 
reading or watching the interviews no ... but this has been talked about before ad naseum, do we really need Phil’s take on this? Great guy but let’s focus on something fresh and new would be nice on topics/products/services more recent.
Why not! Either you learn something new or you’re just reminded of the good old days ;)
 
Im always amazed a the level of snobbery aimed at the iPad from the old school desktop PC'ers. My brother is a classic old school PC guy and he can't understand why I have a MacBook and an iPad and is always saying I should get rid of the iPad because its redundant. I feel like people like him are just stuck in their ways a bit and think because its not for them that anyone else that uses it is foolish. Everyones use cases are different and the iPad has come a long way software wise, especially in the last couple of years.
 



In a retrospective on the technology of the last decade, The New York Times has shared a new interview with marketing chief Phil Schiller, covering the debut of the iPad in early 2010.

Schiller says that the iPad was conceived when Apple began looking at a future computer device that could be sold under $500. Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO at the time, said that to reach that price point, things need to be removed "aggressively."

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Apple cut the clamshell design and the keyboard, prompting the iPad team to work on multitouch technology, which would go on to debut first in the 2007 iPhone.Apple set the iPad aside to focus on the iPhone, but once the second-generation iPhone was launched, Apple returned to working on the tablet form factor. Schiller says that it was "easy to imagine" what needed to be taken from the iPhone to make the iPad.The New York Times piece on the iPad also includes a tidbit from Walt Mossberg, former technology columnist for The Wall Street Journal, who worked closely with Jobs. Jobs invited Mossberg over to his home to show him the new iPad ahead of its launch.

Mossberg says he was impressed with the thinness of the iPad, and Jobs was "careful" to demonstrate how it "wasn't just a big iPhone." The most impressive part, though, was the price. Mossberg initially guessed $999 when Jobs asked what he thought the iPad might cost, half of the actual $499 price tag. Since the iPad first launched in 2010, Apple has released new versions on a yearly basis, and in 2019, the line has grown to encompass multiple pricing and design choices. There's the 11 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro models at the high-end, the middle tier 10.5-inch iPad Air, the tiny 7.9-inch iPad mini 5, and the low-cost 10.2-inch seventh-generation iPad.

The New York Times also looks at several other technological advancements and changes that took place over the course of the last decade, including the development of Siri, Apple's 2016 fight with the FBI, and the 2011 death of Steve Jobs.

Article Link: Phil Schiller Talks About the Development of the Original iPad in New Interview

How is $999 half of $499?

I assume you meant to say double, might wanna change that.
 
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No kidding. It was exactly the same in every way - just bigger. Lots of things needed to be different on the iPad but it wasn't until recently that that finally came to pass

this.
and because of this, apple delayed the ultimate usability and functionality goals of the iPad.
and thereby nearly killed it with this delay - by allowing it to continue exclusively as a graphics tablet or net surfing device.
innovation my ***.
 
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Im always amazed a the level of snobbery aimed at the iPad from the old school desktop PC'ers. My brother is a classic old school PC guy and he can't understand why I have a MacBook and an iPad and is always saying I should get rid of the iPad because its redundant.

Funny, I have an MBP 15, a 12.9 IPP, and an iPhone SE. I use all three for different things, and it's great.

Really, the things I can't do on my IPP are code, write lots of text, and manage large numbers of things like pictures and music.

People who don't get it won't get it. That's fine, but I wish they'd shut up.
 
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I’m convinced perceptions about the iPhone and especially the iPad would be very different today had the iPad debuted before the iPhone. The iPad would have been seen as this brand new, incredibly fresh approach to personal computing, and the iPhone would have a been seen as an amazing pocketable version of this powerful personal computer.

Instead, since the iPhone came out first, the iPhone was just a great smart phone, and the iPad was “just a blown up phone”.

It’s amazing how people’s perception of reality is determined by what they see first.
 



In a retrospective on the technology of the last decade, The New York Times has shared a new interview with marketing chief Phil Schiller, covering the debut of the iPad in early 2010.

Schiller says that the iPad was conceived when Apple began looking at a future computer device that could be sold under $500. Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO at the time, said that to reach that price point, things need to be removed "aggressively."

original-ipad-2-800x523.jpg

Apple cut the clamshell design and the keyboard, prompting the iPad team to work on multitouch technology, which would go on to debut first in the 2007 iPhone.Apple set the iPad aside to focus on the iPhone, but once the second-generation iPhone was launched, Apple returned to working on the tablet form factor. Schiller says that it was "easy to imagine" what needed to be taken from the iPhone to make the iPad.The New York Times piece on the iPad also includes a tidbit from Walt Mossberg, former technology columnist for The Wall Street Journal, who worked closely with Jobs. Jobs invited Mossberg over to his home to show him the new iPad ahead of its launch.

Mossberg says he was impressed with the thinness of the iPad, and Jobs was "careful" to demonstrate how it "wasn't just a big iPhone." The most impressive part, though, was the price. Mossberg initially guessed $999 when Jobs asked what he thought the iPad might cost, half of the actual $499 price tag. Since the iPad first launched in 2010, Apple has released new versions on a yearly basis, and in 2019, the line has grown to encompass multiple pricing and design choices. There's the 11 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro models at the high-end, the middle tier 10.5-inch iPad Air, the tiny 7.9-inch iPad mini 5, and the low-cost 10.2-inch seventh-generation iPad.

The New York Times also looks at several other technological advancements and changes that took place over the course of the last decade, including the development of Siri, Apple's 2016 fight with the FBI, and the 2011 death of Steve Jobs.

Article Link: Phil Schiller Talks About the Development of the Original iPad in New Interview


Big deal...Apple hasn't had much innovation since Apple Watch...All they seem to do now is change the sizes of the devices and then charge more for them!
 
What happened to the 'under $500' part ?
The iPad starts at $329, for a machine whose capabilities far exceed the original iPad. That's a little under two-thirds of $500, so how does that not qualify as "under $500" for you? Or did you want some sort of ruling that it should be impossible to configure any model of iPad to cost more than $500? That would seem pretty silly. I'm happy that they have models at a wide range of price points (and capabilities, obviously).
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I'm not asking for the phone app blown up. I'm looking for a tablet optimized calculator app from apple.
If you spent several hundred dollars on an iPad, I'm guessing you can afford a few more dollars for PCalc or any one of a dozen other great calculator apps that run just fine on the iPad.
 
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My dad does more "actual computing" on his base-model iPad than I do on my Pro.
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Apple does need a MBP with 32gb and a GeForce GTX.

They already have one with 64GB and I just have it on my desk.
They do not need NVIDIA. AMD GPUs are equally capable of doing GPGPU stuff and even raytracing render.
RT Cores are good but AMD will catch up on it next year with RDNA2 and right now almost no professional software support that yet.

Nobody need CUDA. CUDA is the cancer of GPGPU just like x86 is the cancer of CPU. I do not like Apple's MPS also but at least one competitor against NVIDIA is better than no competitor at all.

In a perfect world I want everything runs on open standard -- RISC-V CPU with Vulkan/OpenCL compatible GPU.
But right now I just want a less monopoly market -- ARM with Metal compatible GPU.
 
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Nobody need CUDA. CUDA is the cancer of GPGPU just like x86 is the cancer of CPU. I do not like Apple's MPS also but at least one competitor against NVIDIA is better than no competitor at all.
I know a number of scientists who would disagree with you. They have a lot of software that takes advantage of CUDA, and would love to have Macs that had support for it.
 
I’m convinced perceptions about the iPhone and especially the iPad would be very different today had the iPad debuted before the iPhone. The iPad would have been seen as this brand new, incredibly fresh approach to personal computing, and the iPhone would have a been seen as an amazing pocketable version of this powerful personal computer.

Instead, since the iPhone came out first, the iPhone was just a great smart phone, and the iPad was “just a blown up phone”.

It’s amazing how people’s perception of reality is determined by what they see first.

You’re saying that people’s perception of reality is determined by reality?
 
See with Steve Jobs in charge they built reasonably priced products with a slight mark up for the Apple tax. One of the key points he understood was the selling price. He used to make a big deal of it in the keynotes.

These days they just keep pushing prices up out of nothing but pure greed.
 
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I do want mouse support for iOS. If we can have keyboard hardware support, I don't see why we can't have mouse support. And it would help the iPad become a truer laptop "replacement" than it already is.

This will probably be the last time I have this argument as I've been discussing this too many times.

User's Experience
- Carries around a separate mouse (and possibly a separate receiver which might be USB-A which needs to be converted to lightning or USB-C, or a bluetooth mouse). Is this really better than carrying a MacBook?
- Requires a stand to use properly (if you don't have a keyboard case/cover), unless you want a bad neck.
- You're clicking on buttons that are big and extremely blunt (because they're meant for touch). Big buttons are always on screen which gives less room for the actual content.
- Requires a pairing process
- Requires switching to touch if an app requires multi-touch gestures (like pinching to zoom) or configuring mouse buttons to do these gestures since developer did not implement an alternative way for zooming

Developer's Experience
- Developer now must think about two types of UI: big buttons for touch and small buttons for mouse (to give more space to content). Multitouch gestures for touch, and secondary clicks for mouse.
- More testing coverage is needed
- Can developers build apps that requires a mouse? If so, that would create UX confusion on the App Store. If not, then mouse support will always be a secondary experience and some compromises to the touch UI may be incorporated to accommodate the mouse experience. Users that have no intention of using a mouse will suffer as a result.

Apple's Experience
- Guidelines need to be updated for developers. Should Apple force developers to adopt the mouse before app is approved? Or is this optional?
- Does the long-press left click act like the long press touch? Or should right click emulate the long press by default? (need to worry about apps that have not been updated to take advantage of mouse) If so, what does a long click do?
- Is this a new experience that user needs to learn? Will it confuse people (especially the 60+ year olds buying an iPad for the first time)? There are so many more questions I can think of that Apple needs to address about the mouse if it were a first class feature.

Given all of these questions, limiting factors, and low quality experiences, you're better off carrying an all in one solution (a MacBook). You're taking away iPad's ultra-portability and ease of use in exchange for, at best, a small improvement in productivity.

Apple made a keyboard cover/stand because people would be typing for long periods in a single session with occasional touches. If you're tapping for long periods, you hold it in your hand and tap with your fingers. iPad apps accommodates these scenarios perfectly. iPad apps don't work well with a keyboard+mouse combo however.
 
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And also in fairness the ones that are truly 'computer devices' are definitely not under $500!

None of them are truly "computer devices". However, a lot of people never really needed a fully functional computer, but just the functionality provided by iPad (and alike). To them, iPad (and alike) is a good computer replacement device.
 
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way back in the day, a friend had one and I played with it for about 3 minutes and was immediately struck by how much it didn't interest me in the least.
Fast forward a bit and someone GAVE me an iPad 2. I tried to like it but just couldn't. Too heavy and awkward for almost everything, and that machine had an eye watering low resolution screen that gave me eye strain. For me personally, it was a dreadful product and I actually gave it to someone else, like the unwanted Xmas present that keeps on being gifted to the next person every year.
I'll never be an iPad fan.

this.
to me, bringing my hand up to the screen every time i want to do anything is simply annoying and tiring (other than just scrolling, which is fine).

i am patiently waiting for an ARM based MacBook Air that uses iOS with fully integrated trackpad functionality.
i don't need macOS anymore. iOS is fine for me.
i am hoping that spaceship campus apple will be able to deal better with one set of bugs (ala iOS 10.13), rather than try to deal with two sets of bugs (ala macOS Catalina + iOS 10.13).
 
I’m convinced perceptions about the iPhone and especially the iPad would be very different today had the iPad debuted before the iPhone. The iPad would have been seen as this brand new, incredibly fresh approach to personal computing, and the iPhone would have a been seen as an amazing pocketable version of this powerful personal computer.

Instead, since the iPhone came out first, the iPhone was just a great smart phone, and the iPad was “just a blown up phone”.

It’s amazing how people’s perception of reality is determined by what they see first.

You make a really good point. I had never thought about it like that but I think you're absolutely spot on.
 
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