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Some peoples feelings are just hurt because they had to run out and get an iPad 2. I'm sure APPL sympahthizes and will hold off just because of you.

Can't wait to finally get an iPad. Retina is going to make this thing killer.
 
Isn't this the the year of iPad 2? Having Apple release a new hardware too early doesn't seem right especially to those people that just bought iPad 2s. All they got was dual cameras and dual core cgpu. Then a few months later another incremental hardware upgrade. It would piss off those people especially if it had retina display, quad core cpu etc, they should've waited. I'm not even sure about the price point.

Rather than waiting for iPad 3 in the next 18 months, maybe it makes sense for Apple to push the release cycle to September or closer to the holidays.

It seems John Gruber's prediction back in February is right on track.
 
Isn't this the the year of iPad 2? Having Apple release a new hardware too early doesn't seem right especially to those people that just bought iPad 2s then a few months later another incremental hardware upgrade. It would piss off those people especially if it had retina display, quad core cpu etc. I'm not even sure about the price point.

Rather than waiting for iPad 3 in the next 18 months, maybe it makes sense for Apple to push the release cycle to September or closer to the holidays.

It seems John Gruber's prediction back in February is right on track.

:rolleyes: bipolar much?

Apple has a huge opportunity in the market here. Apple should not yield any tablet market share this year. None. If the iPad 2 remains the sole Apple tablet on the market for the rest of calendar 2011 and until Spring 2012, they will without a doubt yield some market share to the craplets coming to market.

An updated iPad is certainly the thing needed to drive sales through the roof and maintain market share for the rest of the year and into next year.

iPad 2 Pro: A5 processor, 1 GB of RAM, 2000 x 1500 display, FaceTime HD camera.

Thats is. $100 more than regular iPad 2. They will sell like hotcakes.
 
Amazon is expected to sell this tablet at a loss in order to generate revenue on the services. Amazon is probably the only company right now with all the pieces in the right places to pose a big challenge to Apple.

That might work for Amazon... considering every book is $10... and Amazon keeps $3 per book.

Apps are a different story. The average price of an iPad app is around $5... Apple keeps 30% which is $1.50 per app. Each person would have to buy 150 of those $5 apps to come close to what they get from the hardware sale. (I'm guessing Apple makes $225 on each iPad)

But, there are far more free or $1 apps... in which each person would have to buy hundreds and hundreds of them to make up the loss in hardware sales. And... some people might not buy any apps at all.

So there's a reason Apple sells the hardware first... and relies on music and apps to only help sell the hardware.

But you're right. If Amazon can convince people that their tablet is the "best Kindle ever" they might make up the difference with book sales.
 
In any event, both IDC and Gartner predict iPad market share which is near 65% to continue to decline with Andriod, QNX and WebOS tablets gaining market share. So for the iPad to remain the dominated tablet, Apple will have to move quickly to stem the tide of competition. So it is conceivable that Apple will be coming out with an iPad 2+/iPad 3 in short order.

Can you please point me at the Gartner or IDC link that pegs iPad at only 65% of the market? Is that a "channel sales" number? Business Insider did some number-crunching in a report earlier this year that showed while iPad had 75% of channel sales, it had 90% of units sold to customers in 2010Q4. This year iPad is selling every unit that is made and the competitors are coming out with model after model to compete (further stuffing the sales channels with Android tablets that are destined for the clearance rack or purchased by some poor unsuspecting consumer who thinks its an iPad and ends up never using it). Further ComScore recently published a study (which was picked up by several outlets including searchengineland.com) showing iPad with 97% of US media tablet web traffic and 89% of global media tablet web traffic.

So I think your 65% number is a bit off and the reports of iPad's decline greatly exaggerated. I believe the actual sales numbers will decline in time, but not because of the current competition. The competing operating systems need a few more revisions to stand a chance with the actual folks who buy the units. RIM for example pushed 500k Playbook units into sales channels and hardly any of those have been purchased by actual customers. Retailers are not going to be too keen on buying so many units of the next version.

I just don't think Apple is in desperate need to ship a new iPad. If they do, that will be great. I might even buy one. But I am not getting my hopes up.
 
Can you please point me at the Gartner or IDC link that pegs iPad at only 65% of the market? Is that a "channel sales" number? Business Insider did some number-crunching in a report earlier this year that showed while iPad had 75% of channel sales, it had 90% of units sold to customers in 2010Q4. This year iPad is selling every unit that is made and the competitors are coming out with model after model to compete (further stuffing the sales channels with Android tablets that are destined for the clearance rack or purchased by some poor unsuspecting consumer who thinks its an iPad and ends up never using it). Further ComScore recently published a study (which was picked up by several outlets including searchengineland.com) showing iPad with 97% of US media tablet web traffic and 89% of global media tablet web traffic.

So I think your 65% number is a bit off and the reports of iPad's decline greatly exaggerated. I believe the actual sales numbers will decline in time, but not because of the current competition. The competing operating systems need a few more revisions to stand a chance with the actual folks who buy the units. RIM for example pushed 500k Playbook units into sales channels and hardly any of those have been purchased by actual customers. Retailers are not going to be too keen on buying so many units of the next version.

I just don't think Apple is in desperate need to ship a new iPad. If they do, that will be great. I might even buy one. But I am not getting my hopes up.

I honestly didn't think it was so low considering the ubiquity of iPads and support for it. But here is one of them:

http://www.talkandroid.com/46025-id...lookout-apple-android-is-quickly-catching-up/

Then the Gartner forecast for the next 4 years which also confirms the 65% market share:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1626414

Apple is taking it seriously and not resting on their laurels which is great. I look forward to continued iPad improvements. Even if it occurs at a rapid pace. Early adoption has its price and if one must be willing to pay it.
 
I know but have been saving gift cards for over 3 years. Want to make it count. An iPad with a retina type screen does it for me.

I agree. I returned my iPad 2 today precisely for this reason.

The iPad 2 is a great product but a retina type screen is a huge improvement and IMO, would be the reason to spring for an iPad if one doesn't own one already. People always say "just buy it now and sell it if/when the new one comes out," but for people like me who don't have $ to throw around so easily, every purchase I make counts.
 
I agree. I returned my iPad 2 today precisely for this reason.

The iPad 2 is a great product but a retina type screen is a huge improvement and IMO, would be the reason to spring for an iPad if one doesn't own one already. People always say "just buy it now and sell it if/when the new one comes out," but for people like me who don't have $ to throw around so easily, every purchase I make counts.

Agreed completely on all points. A retina display would be great for many things including reading. Not that it is bad now at current resolution.
 
I agree. I returned my iPad 2 today precisely for this reason.

The iPad 2 is a great product but a retina type screen is a huge improvement and IMO, would be the reason to spring for an iPad if one doesn't own one already. People always say "just buy it now and sell it if/when the new one comes out," but for people like me who don't have $ to throw around so easily, every purchase I make counts.


Yes, this is exactly what I was saying. An iPad with retina and I will be happy with that for a long time. I don't need every new toy that comes out. When the time is right, I'll take the jump. I didn't get an iPad yet. Retina does it for me. That's when I buy.
 
I honestly didn't think it was so low considering the ubiquity of iPads and support for it. But here is one of them:

http://www.talkandroid.com/46025-id...lookout-apple-android-is-quickly-catching-up/

Then the Gartner forecast for the next 4 years which also confirms the 65% market share:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1626414

Apple is taking it seriously and not resting on their laurels which is great. I look forward to continued iPad improvements. Even if it occurs at a rapid pace. Early adoption has its price and if one must be willing to pay it.

Well, the first link is to some Android Fan's blog where he is referencing an IDC report which he selectively pulls numbers from to validate his previous prophecies on the blog. The main point most outlets pulled from that same IDC report was media tablet sales were lower than expected in Q1 and by-and-large folks believed it was because Apple did not manufacturer enough iPads.

Secondly, the Gartner report is not on actual numbers but a forecast they are making for all of 2011, 2012, and 2015. The only "actual" numbers they have are obviously for 2010 (since the rest are future predictions). The 2010 numbers show iPad at 83.9% of end-user sales. Of course end-user sales are a number-crunching exercise that has to be done against the only real number which is "channel sales". Analysts have different methods for counting end-user sales -- the one I previously linked to tried to subtract existing inventory from channel sales to come to a 90% number. There is certainly margin for error.

Keep in mind that many analysts predicted a huge market surge for Honeycomb this year and they are all slowly retreating from those predictions as each new "iPad Killer" falls by the way side. Gartner is of course one such analyst firm that has bet on the 2011 Android surge. Personally, I believe the competitors will surge, but I don't believe the current generation of competitors stands a chance. I certainly hope for the competition to keep chasing and eventually pushing Apple harder. I especially think WebOS has potential, but I fear it has potential in the same way that BeOS had potential rather than the way early Mac OS X had potential (as John Rubenstein likes to say).
 
What i really don't understand is that if this is true, Apple's priorities are completely in the wrong place.

Apple is supreme in the tablet market, heck, they made the market in the first place. So it makes no sense to come out with an iPad 3, but an iPad 2 with Retina Display sounds fine.

Apple needs to focus on the iPhone 5, making it the best phone they can this year. That's where their competition is.
 
I logged in simply to express my incredulity at such a pointless piece of information from MacRumors.

Search the sewers near Cupertino why dont you, and find the toilet paper Steve wiped his ass with and post pictures here because that's as useful as what you just posted.
 
This year iPad is selling every unit that is made and the competitors are coming out with model after model to compete (further stuffing the sales channels with Android tablets that are destined for the clearance rack or purchased by some poor unsuspecting consumer who thinks its an iPad and ends up never using it).

I think this is ridiculously accurate.
 
Apple can do whatever they want with their products. And if this iPad with retina comes out this year, you can believe there will be lines to get this and most on here complaining will be getting one anyways.
 
I logged in simply to express my incredulity at such a pointless piece of information from MacRumors.

Search the sewers near Cupertino why dont you, and find the toilet paper Steve wiped his ass with and post pictures here because that's as useful as what you just posted.

Wow. Just... wow.
 
iPad 2's are pretty thin on the ground in the UK at the moment - I bought a 64gb wi-fi only one on Sunday but returned it today (one dead pixel, one stuck green and some light leakage on the left side). Interestingly the lady at John Lewis said they only accept returns if Apple authorise it (after trying to get me to send it off for 28 days...) but when she went to put it on the system it said "Apple no longer require case reports for this item". Seems the QC issues must be really common. Apple are getting bigger year on year but it seems it may be stressing current manufacture a little. Sadly I was just starting to enjoy the iPad but was not willing to accept flaws at £560!
 
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