Thanks for posting this! I downloaded the Beta, and I'm already liking it better than Pixelmator. The interface is much more intuitive and clean, with all the tools I used frequently in easy reach.
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Photoshop Celebrates 25th Anniversary With 'Top 25 Under 25' Artist Showcase
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Thanks for posting this! I downloaded the Beta, and I'm already liking it better than Pixelmator. The interface is much more intuitive and clean, with all the tools I used frequently in easy reach.
Adobe lost their way.
Adobe has lost a lot of customers.
Adobe is chasing a shrinking market.
Illustrator, Photoshop, Pagemaker were excellent programs.
I won't buy their subscription models. If I get a tool I want to own it because I need to use it to access my data. My data is mine. Neither Adobe nor any other company should be able to remotely lock me out of my data. I have two licenses for each of the older Adobe CS4 products. I have bought Photoshop and Illustrator all the way back to the original version 1.0. I won't send Adobe any more money. The subscription model sucks. They lost me as a customer with that.
Adobe has lost a lot of customers.
Adobe is chasing a shrinking market.
Illustrator, Photoshop, Pagemaker were excellent programs.
I won't buy their subscription models. If I get a tool I want to own it because I need to use it to access my data. My data is mine. Neither Adobe nor any other company should be able to remotely lock me out of my data. I have two licenses for each of the older Adobe CS4 products. I have bought Photoshop and Illustrator all the way back to the original version 1.0. I won't send Adobe any more money. The subscription model sucks. They lost me as a customer with that.
I can't believe people actually think this, let alone believe it.
Love or hate the subscription model, Creative Cloud has been a solid success for Adobe. The fact is, there's nothing out there that can quite touch PS and Illustrator. Yeah, you do have a few programs that come close. Pixelmator and Affinity Designer are excellent programs through and through. But they're not able to stand toe to toe with their Adobe alternatives just yet. And when you consider the integration with the entire Creative Suite, nothing else compares.
Have your opinions if you want. But let's not start throwing around words like "irrelevant" and "dying" and "crap" just because Steve Jobs had a spat with Adobe over Flash, and you don't like paying a monthly charge.
I hate them. I love them. I hate them. I love them.
I was going to rant about how Adobe has essentially just said that everyone over age 25 is irrelevant, but instead I find myself in the contrary position of feeling compelled to defend them.
The anti-Photoshop ranting in this thread is over-the-top. Y'all don't realize what Adobe has done with their apps, including through to the CC apps. I have been using Adobe Photoshop since version 3.5 and Illustrator since 3.0.1. Throughout the 90s, getting apps to work together was trickier than getting Republicans and Democrats to work together. Color issues were out of control, and file compatibility was complex. Today, color issues and file compatibility are almost an afterthought. Adobe is responsible for this. Were the Adobe apps always on the cutting edge? No, but they were more reliable, and you were more likely to get what you intended when you went to print with Adobe than you were with other apps. As for the claims of bloatware ... I can't think of a single Photoshop feature that doesn't make sense in the context of a modern workflow. Perhaps maybe not your workflow, but maybe that's because you're not using the app for all it's worth. But that's your problem – not Adobe's.
I was going to rant about how Adobe has essentially just said that everyone over age 25 is irrelevant, but instead I find myself in the contrary position of feeling compelled to defend them.
The anti-Photoshop ranting in this thread is over-the-top. Y'all don't realize what Adobe has done with their apps, including through to the CC apps. I have been using Adobe Photoshop since version 3.5 and Illustrator since 3.0.1. Throughout the 90s, getting apps to work together was trickier than getting Republicans and Democrats to work together. Color issues were out of control, and file compatibility was complex. Today, color issues and file compatibility are almost an afterthought. Adobe is responsible for this. Were the Adobe apps always on the cutting edge? No, but they were more reliable, and you were more likely to get what you intended when you went to print with Adobe than you were with other apps. As for the claims of bloatware ... I can't think of a single Photoshop feature that doesn't make sense in the context of a modern workflow. Perhaps maybe not your workflow, but maybe that's because you're not using the app for all it's worth. But that's your problem – not Adobe's.
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I agree with the rest of your post, but I don't see how this little showcase is saying anyone is irrelevant. It's just saying "hey, we're 25 years old this year! Here's a showcase of art done by people the same age or younger than us!"
Everyone bashing photoshop here has no clue about what goes on in the professional creative world. It comes mainly from ignorance and intimidation from it being a very complex program that can do anything graphically or photographically. Its an industry standard. I use it every day and it's made my job a hell of a lot easier as a creative professional with all the new features that come out. Everyone from designers to photographers to artists to.......you get the point. If people are happy with other great alternatives like pixelmator that's great, but most pros use photoshop. Not sure what the point of bashing it is.....other than crying that it's getting too complicated for you.
That's like saying you'd rather use iMovie and Premiere is such a bloated piece of garbage. It's clear that some have noooooo freakinnnnn clue.
That's like saying you'd rather use iMovie and Premiere is such a bloated piece of garbage. It's clear that some have noooooo freakinnnnn clue.
Yeah, I hear ya. There's a nuance in the wording of their announcement that rubs me the wrong way, but it could just be because I'm over 40 and cranky. ; )
From an individual perspective I see your point. We shall see how that goes for Adobe. But for businesses the subscription model is great. It's really that simple.
this is definitely true, but they started by getting individuals and then threw us all under the bus. the effort spent locking people into a crappy payment system with no real ownership could have been put into making their software less piratable while retaining a similar product delivery method. people may not care about whether they own an mp3, but the software they use to make a living is entirely different. adobe went with greed over customer retention. hence the massive migrations to other software that wouldn't have even gotten out the gate if adobe was smarter. they went from undeniable kings to 'another production software package option.' if not now, then very soon.
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also true. i've never found photoshop to be anything close to 'bloated.' it's a nearly flawless execution of reliability, performance and 'lightweight' feeling because it works so well (hence people's massive disappointment). do people nowadays consider 'bloat' to be a large file size to give you freedom and 100% features needed? that would mean every new and current game over 5gb would be 'bloated' and fruit ninja would be the ideal :roll eyes:
Capture One
Oh, wow, I nearly forgot about Capture One. My memories of it are having the worst licensing and support I've seen of any company. A company I was working for had one or two licenses for Capture One, and it became impossible to transfer the license to another machine. Even after going back and forth with Capture One's technical support, they refused to assist me.
Fortunately, we didn't need that software much.
Oh, wow, I nearly forgot about Capture One. My memories of it are having the worst licensing and support I've seen of any company. A company I was working for had one or two licenses for Capture One, and it became impossible to transfer the license to another machine. Even after going back and forth with Capture One's technical support, they refused to assist me.
Fortunately, we didn't need that software much.
As an illustrator and designer myself, I may not always agree with certain decisions the company has made over the years. But for something so famous as Photoshop to have lasted 25 years this long is worthy of RESPECT.
I was there way back when Photoshop was around in art school in the 1990s but before that, it was vaguely used in the comic industry as an experimental medium for coloring in EPIC Comic's AKIRA ( Marvel's defunct publishing branch ) and the other first CG graphic novel SHATTER by Paul Saentz. Classic, classic stuff.
I have CS5 and still use it to this day and realize that the subscription model may be out of my budget for now ( CS5 was a gift from a friend ) if I want to go the Creative Cloud route.
However, I do like what Pixelmator and Affinity Photo has in store, but there is one glaring weakness in these applications. They cannot do CMYK mode. Sure, one could possibly try and copy the pantone or RGB color percentage into Pixelmator in RGB format.
I think Affinity Designer can do CMYK mode for vector purposes. I also have Manga Studio 5 which can do RGB and CMYK mode ( think of it as a hybrid photoshop and sketchbook pro application ). I swear by it these days for illustration purposes.
Again, Photoshop is king when it comes to deep features and wide span of file format compatibility. To come this far in 25 years, it's pretty historic.
Hats off for Photoshop for sticking around that long. Respect.
Acorn
I'm more of an Acorn user, but it is great to have these wonderful poor man's versions of Photoshop, which are highly capable for image editing.
There are people who need the power that Photoshop provides. I am not one of them. I started using Photoshop 5.5, and even at that point, PS was a very mature application. I saw very few advancements in PS 6 and 7 (aside from being Mac OS X compatible for PS 7). About the only times I've needed to fire up PS in the last several years is to open up and export an old layered TIFF or PSD file which I created well over 10 years ago. These days, most of my image editing and comparisons are done in Acorn, which strikes me as much more intuitive, faster, and MUCH more affordable than PS.
I'm more of an Acorn user, but it is great to have these wonderful poor man's versions of Photoshop, which are highly capable for image editing.
There are people who need the power that Photoshop provides. I am not one of them. I started using Photoshop 5.5, and even at that point, PS was a very mature application. I saw very few advancements in PS 6 and 7 (aside from being Mac OS X compatible for PS 7). About the only times I've needed to fire up PS in the last several years is to open up and export an old layered TIFF or PSD file which I created well over 10 years ago. These days, most of my image editing and comparisons are done in Acorn, which strikes me as much more intuitive, faster, and MUCH more affordable than PS.
I am glad that there are alternatives to Photoshop. That said Photoshop is king they have the best software for image editing and it is the most complex and deep out there.
I just love it. I make my living using it everyday so I am not going to diss Adobe.
My only beef with Adobe is the CC model that locks you into a subscription model and don't allow you to use their stuff without being online.
I am still holding dear to life with CS6 and hope Adobe will change this sometime soon. If not I guess I will have to bow because there isn't anything out there that is industry standard and as good as it.
I just love it. I make my living using it everyday so I am not going to diss Adobe.
My only beef with Adobe is the CC model that locks you into a subscription model and don't allow you to use their stuff without being online.
I am still holding dear to life with CS6 and hope Adobe will change this sometime soon. If not I guess I will have to bow because there isn't anything out there that is industry standard and as good as it.
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That brings me right back, 30 years, wow.
SHATTER was originally created in 1985 on nothing more than Mac Paint apparently.
I may still have this issue in a crate somewhere, it was unfortunate enough to debut in the last issue of my favourite games magazine.
I would have been 11 years old when I bought this, I remember reading a review of Sherlock Holmes for the 128K Mac in Big K, one of the few UK mags that acknowledged it's existence.
I still have my Akira comics from when I was a tiny nerdling. It was such a change from the old 4-color printing. Then Image jumped on using Photoshop for coloring when they formed in '92.
Of course honoring under 25. Those who might never have known the pleasures of owning a license and upgrading if and then they felt like it.
Same here. Got my first copy of the comic in 1988 when Otomo was becoming big. The colors certainly jumped and I was so mystified how they did that until years later, it was all on an early Photoshop version ( I think it was proprietarily customized for Marvel/EPIC at the time. Jo Duffy, I believe, was the colorist at the time ).
It was originally in black and white which I have the Dark Horse version. I suspect the EPIC version will be more valuable and rare.
Image's use of coloring was actually more layered than flattened using multiply effect. I use Manga Studio strictly for illustrative work for this reason and with built in toners. Fantastic program.
I generally use Manga Studio as well, I tend to prefer the brush system in it more.
It's really neat seeing how coloring in comics has changed and evolved over the last couple decades. It's really helped open up the industry to more unique and varied styles (One of my current favorites is Stjepan Sejic [Witchblade, Rat Queens, Sunstone] who's work is 100% digitally painted).
This. I miss the old model. And now my rant because I think you guys will understand and I'll feel better.
What I'm really getting overwhelmed with is everyone deciding that every single year a new major software needs to roll out. Apple included here. At my company I'm locked to the Adobe workflow, not my choice but After Effects is what I was trained in and it works mostly well. Adobe said that going to subscription would increase bug fixes and features. Well I can say thats not true at all. Have a new MacPro? After Effects can't even utilize the dual graphics cards at all. Multiple cores? Too bad After Effects is dependent on a single high Ghz processor. Have Yosemite? After Effects hates the OS and runs terribly.
If this is supposed to be a professional application suite then where is the support? Nothing but empty promises and teases come out of Adobe employees. I'd rather a two or even three year upgrade cycle where they actually improved the software and tested it internally and stopped using the new Cloud update to turn all of us into Beta testers. My clients are not going to care or understand that a new software broke my machine.
Honestly I understand Apple partnering with IBM because there's more money to be made in the enterprise arena but would it cost them too much to have a team that partners with other software makers like Adobe, Autodesk, Maxon, etc which could make OSX the most badass operating system out there for creative professionals as well as enterprise workers? Whats even more frustrating is out only other viable option out there is Windows. I try to live my life open to new experiences and never shut anything out based on popular opinion and I've tried several times to seriously explore using a Windows machine professionally. I even bought Windows 8 when it was brand new to try on a spare PC I have, it got stuck on the update screen just like the old Windows OS's. This all just makes me sad. Anyway if you actually read this entire thing. Thanks!
Photoshop Celebrates 25th Anniversary With 'Top 25 Under 25' Artist Showcase
Ditto for the brush engine. It's awesome and fluid when it inking is concerned. I find it better than Sketchbook Pro for this reason but SB Pro is handy for other purposes in conceptualization phases. Been looking into Mischief lately and may add that to my arsenal.
Sejic? He's great. I'm a fan of Moebius as he's my influence among others like Guy Davis ( The Marquis graphic novel. Highly recommend it ). Even Becky Cloonan.
Ditto for the brush engine. It's awesome and fluid when it inking is concerned. I find it better than Sketchbook Pro for this reason but SB Pro is handy for other purposes in conceptualization phases. Been looking into Mischief lately and may add that to my arsenal.
Sejic? He's great. I'm a fan of Moebius as he's my influence among others like Guy Davis ( The Marquis graphic novel. Highly recommend it ). Even Becky Cloonan.
I love Becky Cloonan! I'm currently obsessing over Sara Pichelli, Gabriel Bá and Minakata Sunao.
I've never really been able to get the hang of SB Pro, I pretty much do everything, save lettering in Manga Studio. I've been playing with Mischief with some friends, it's kinda fun to goof off and hide stuff in Mischief files.
I have no grudge against Adobe. I am just giving my opinion. Please next time ask before you assume someone has a grudge.
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Both Photoshop and Flash need to die and the reasons for both are nothing to do with their content creation aspects. It's for other aspects of which I guess you would know full well about.
Photoshop could be reborn in a much better form and I think it'd get the like of the public back. Photoshop is a highly torrented piece of software for a reason.
Becky is great and got her hardback graphic novel a few months ago with some dark medieval tales. It was called By Chance or Providence. I think she's been learning Manga Studio recently.
I didn't use a Wacom back when I was studying at the Cleveland Institute of Art until the final year or afterwards as I started learning photoshop on my own. Corel Painter came into the scene for me until I moved on to something more well suited for my line art. But digital painting in Painter used to be the thing along with photoshop.
Now manga studio and mischief are more viable tools for me. I may get into 3D modelling with SketchUp and then Modo later.