Piano - reading sheet music - natural notes

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  1. Alexrat1996 macrumors 68040

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    anyone know piano here can you assist me with a quick question ?
     
  2. AustinIllini macrumors demi-goddess

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    uh....sure? Could you just post the question?
     
  3. Alexrat1996 thread starter macrumors 68040

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    You play piano I have a quick question
     
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  5. Alexrat1996 thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Shoot what
     
  6. DeltaMac macrumors G3

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    You came here with a question - so, that means that you may have a question - so shoot your question out.
    Let us have it. (yezz... :rolleyes:)o_O
    What is your piano question ?
     
  7. Alexrat1996 thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Check photo is the Natural for both notes or only one and is the flat for both or only one for second one ?

    What note is this in first pic for both ?

    https://ibb.co/gASTWJ
    https://ibb.co/eFULdy
     
  8. martin2345uk macrumors 6502a

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    The natural and sharp only refers to the one note it’s in front of.
     
  9. DeltaMac macrumors G3

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    Accidentals only apply to single notes, even if used in a chord. You may have a chord with accidentals on each note in the chord (and the chart would need to show that each note has its own accidental.) The key of your music at that point is B flat, so the E in each picture is the only note that natural could be applied to (no need to "naturalise" the D in that chord, as it is already at natural. Assuming the sheet music uses standard notation, an accidental is normally only used when needed. The E would always be played flatted, and making a natural only lasts for that one measure. Next measure, the E would revert to flat, without need for a further accidental. Sometimes you might see some charts with a modified note, showing a flat being applied, even though a flat may not be needed in standard notation, often to make sure the reader knows that note has reverted to the normal note in that key. That accidental, in that case, is not really needed on the chart, but might be used to avoid confusion by the reader.
     
  10. Alexrat1996 thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Only the single Note natural
     
  11. DeltaMac macrumors G3

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    Yes, you are correct... a natural changes only the note that it is applied to, no other notes would be affected
    (unless the same note is modified again within the same measure, or reverts to whatever the key of the song demands, when next played in a later measure.)
    Did you have another question? If you still are a bit hazy, I may be able to come up with something at a website that might explain how accidentals are used in music notation. I'll search that out if you need that information.
     
  12. Alexrat1996 thread starter macrumors 68040

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    On this one is the top one natural only
     

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    In my photos I posted
     
  14. MacNut macrumors Core

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    If there is no marking you play the note in the desired key.

    Let’s say you are playing in G major. Every F will be # unless otherwise noted.
     
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    On the first link do I just play the natural on the first note only
     
  16. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Yes, the sharp would over ride the second note. Now if it was the one natural that would hold for the whole measure. So if you see a sharp and no natural in the measure the sharp is played again.
     
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    #18
    While the key signature would indicate the proper note, here's a case where the composer (or the publisher) ensures that the tenor sings a b-flat at his first entrance in an aria.

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    Just remember the rule here: if a note is modified by an accidental, then playing the same note will also continue, until it is modified again, or the end of that measure - which would reset all accidentals to those used by the key signature. A key change would also affect those notes, of course. A tied note would carry over to the following measure(s), and would also reset without need for another accidental, unless that could be needed to avoid confusion by the musician.
     
  19. Alexrat1996 thread starter macrumors 68040

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    In this photo which is the natural
     

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    The one with the natural sign in from of it.
     
  21. DeltaMac macrumors G3

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    Instead of using words, like "this note" or "that note", and displaying a confusing picture of sheet music with NO context, such as showing the key signature - how about a clear marking, such as a bit of a post-it note, showing the exact chart position that you are asking about? The first natural that you have asked about - 2 times now for apparently the same particular note - is a natural for the E-flat, played as an E, of course. That is the purpose of a natural. The note is then re-flatted the next time it is played, later in the same measure.

    @Alexrat1996: What is your real question here? Does that natural sound somehow wrong to your ear when you play it? The chart COULD be incorrectly printed. Some editor, during the setup for the publishing process for the song, may have missed a wrong note (it happens), so it wouldn't hurt anything to contact the publisher - same thing you might do when you find a bug in a computer program, eh?
     
  22. Alexrat1996, May 14, 2018
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    are these both F sharp fo each sharp in each line ?
    --- Post Merged, May 14, 2018 ---
    Can you help with questions above photos below ?
     

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    It’s written in G so unless otherwise noted the F is always sharp.
     
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    Are both notes F sharp in the first pic Both lines ?
     

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