PICS: 5.8" iPhone 8 will definitely be bigger than 4.7" iPhone

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by deuxani, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. deuxani macrumors 6502

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    I think we've all read this article where Ming-Chi Kuo mentioned that the 5.8" iPhone 8 will have similar dimensions as the 4.7" iPhone: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/15/2017-iphone-edge-to-edge-display-virtual-buttons/

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    So based on this I tried to see if this was actually possible and in theory, yes it could be. However, in reality I don't think it's realistic. Just look at the comparison below I've made:

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    All recent iPhones have an aspect ratio of 16:9 and all apps are programmed that way. I think the usable screen part will remain 16:9 and the rumoured gesture area will be 2:9, making the screen 18:9 (or 2:1 if you like) just like the LG G6 (and most probably Samsung Galaxy S8).
    I feel that that 2:9 part will be always showing in all apps and the 16:9 part will show apps as they are right now so developers don't have to adopt another new aspect ratio. The home button is the most iconic thing that makes an iPhone an iPhone and the way iOS works, everything is centred around the home button. But I'll get back to that later.

    When looking at an 5.8" 18:9 screen (the image on the left) you can immediately see it's the same size as the entire 4.7" iPhone. You can't just create a screen, there need to be bezels, so I've made the 5.8" mockup with minimal bezels.
    However, realistically you would need room for a front facing camera and sensors. I know there is this Apple patent that depicts a camera and sensors behind the screen, but I don't think that tech is ready yet. The front facing cam is too important for people, so I don't see a degradation in quality happen. Also, if LG and Samsung (who specialise in making screens and even provide tech to Apple) can't make a completely bezel-less phone, we can't expect Apple to do that. So personally I think the iPhone will look like the one on the right.

    The iPhone on the right is a little bit wider and significantly taller. So people who don't want anything bigger than the 4.7" iPhone are probably going to be disappointed. Size wise it's going to sit perfectly between the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone.

    I also wanted to point out the function area. I've made a design based on the following principles:

    • There must be room for the camera and speaker on top
    • The phone must be symmetrical (same size top and bottom bezel)
    • Apps must be able to work in the same 16:9 aspect ratio of the iPhone 5/5S/6/6S/7
    • The gesture area will be 2:9, making the entire screen 18:9 or 2:1
    • The bezels can be reduced to a minimum
    • The home button must function the same way as current iPhones
    • The function area can be dynamic
    • The function area will support gestures
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    I know that the function area looks like a bad use of screen, but I think there might be some things next to the home button that show up dynamically (like hand off). And after reading this on the Verge: http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...android-buttons-gestures-moto-huawei-mwc-2017

    I think the function area could work the same way:

    • If you want to go home, 3D Touch the virtual home button (this will prevent you from accidentally going home like with Android's soft keys). I've tried 3D Touch clicking an icon and then pressing the home button and repeating that process a couple of times and I think this could be a good replacement. However, you can't feel where the home button is, but that might change in the future. Maybe they'll even make a small indent in the glass of the touch screen where the software home button will be.
    • Force clicking will open multitasking. This would just feel like on the MacBooks.
    • Swiping left to right will go back in apps (or maybe navigate to the previous open app).
    • Swiping right to left will go forward in apps (or maybe navigate to the next open app).
    • Swiping down will open Notification Center (this will solve the issue with reaching the top of the phone).
    • Swiping up will open Control Center.

    So basically that function area could be used as a gesture area and in most cases your hands would be covering it up like the trackpad on your laptop. You will be focussing on the 16:9 usable screen part so you won't even notice the almost empty function area (but again, I think it might be dynamic and some icons could show up next to the home button).
    But who knows what Apple has in store for use. Software wise we won't know until the final unveil as the hardware will leak but the software most probably won't. Hopefully we will get some insight with the possible announcement of that 10.5" bezel-less iPad.
     
  2. Mactagonist macrumors 65816

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    I think your ideas about the function area are very likely to be implemented by Apple.

    Unfortunately, it feels like it is just one more step away from the skeuomorphic design that I actually really liked about the iPhone. I like reaching up and pulling down as if I'm opening a drawer. I like the way manipulating lists and scrolling felt so natural with that nice rubber band effect. As iPhone makes it easier to navigate without touching the content it loses that connection.

    The jony ive 'remove all connection to physical reality and replace it with featureless smooth alien perfection' school of design was never really my thing though.
     
  3. bufffilm macrumors 601

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  4. Lobwedgephil macrumors 68030

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    So slightly bigger yet still "similar." Got it.
     
  5. isaac123 macrumors newbie

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    2 thumbs up for the first realistic concept we've seen!
     
  6. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Even though I'm not a fan of skeuomorphism as design language, I do agree that I prefer animations to come from a logical place. Swiping down from the function area would not invoke a logical animation like you mentioned. But it seems that Apple doesn't care that much anymore:

    Thanks! I think if you look at the state of technology, the slow adoption of new tech by Apple, their design language in recent (and older) products, this might be close to the truth.
     
  7. bufffilm macrumors 601

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    The latest rumors - name will be iPhone Edition, 5.8" display, etc...not for me.
     
  8. BasicGreatGuy Contributor

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    Rumor has it that the new 5.8" display will fit in the 4.7" model due to smaller bezels, if I remember correctly. That should please the SE type folks.
     
  9. JManL93 macrumors newbie

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    Very nice and totally agree. However I do hope that videos, photos, and games can take advantage of the whole screen. LG G6 will do such.
     
  10. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Well, realistically, as you can see in the above comparison, it will be taller than the 4.7" iPhone, so I don't think the people who prefer the SE will be happy with it :)

    It would definitely be nice and look better, but I don't think that Apple will do this. The simplicity of the iPhone is you press the home button and you're at the home screen again. If you would use the entire screen in videos, photos and games you would have to do two things (maybe swipe to show the home button again and then press home.... or 3D touch some part to show the home button and then press home) to get back to the home screen. I personally don't see them turning it into a two step process, but who knows.
     
  11. JManL93 macrumors newbie

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    I mean people do it on android all the time, so I don't think it would be a big deal.
     
  12. passatgt macrumors newbie

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    Nope. The function area will be smaller displays to fit inside the rounded corners, but they will cheat and say its 5,8inch.

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    And this looks something like this:

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  13. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    It's a nice concept and fun idea, but the whole problem with a 5.8" screen is that the top part of the phone is very hard to reach. It would be nice for gaming purposes though. I don't understand why HTC and LG didn't make better use of that secondary display on top of their phones. I personally don't think it will happen on the next iPhone, but who knows.
     
  14. Black05Hemi macrumors member

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    Perfect for me. I wish it was 6".
     
  15. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    So if that leaked schematic is real, it could very well look like this:

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    And the size difference with the 7:

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  16. maxjohnson2 macrumors regular

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    I don't think it will look like that for obvious reasons. That's extremely ugly which Apple do not do. If they have a virtual home button in front, not need for another circular things behind which gives it a redundant look, definitely would not happen. Also anyone who used rear finger print scanner before knows that center placement is terrible, it should be up more.

    In any case, it's not ginormous like the Plus, so even if it's a bit bigger, it's still a win. My only concern about slim bezel and curved screen is accidental touches (please don't say palm rejection) and easier for the screen to crack from falls, also harder to put screen protector on. This is the reason why I don't like recent Galaxy phones.
     
  17. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    You never know and if history is anything to go by, this could very well happen. Just remember what people said about the leaks of the iPhone 4 and its "ugly" seams, the two tone back of the iPhone 5, the "terrible" looking antenna lines on the iPhone 6, the "hideous" dual camera on the iPhone 7 Plus. Everyone here said that Apple would never make something like that and if they did, they would never buy it.... and they did make those phones and most eventually even loved it :)

    If you think about it realistically, this is a prototype design in case Apple is not able to get the fingerprint reader behind the screen working in time. In my opinion, chances are pretty big they either can't get it working or can't mass produce it. In that case the only option would be putting it on the back, because on the front there's no room. Next year, the successor of this device could then get it behind to screen as it's big feature.

    It's just not as far fetched as people say it is.
     
  18. MacFinnley macrumors 6502

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    Putting Touch ID on the back, just to put it next year on the front again with iPhone 8S? I don't think so.
     
  19. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Just think about it from a technological standpoint. Based on all rumours Apple is going to make the front all screen. There won't be room for a home button on the front and Apple will use an on screen navigation area. So if they are somehow not able to put the fingerprint scanner under the screen this year, where do you imagine it should go?
     
  20. Appleaker macrumors 68000

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    No, that would please both 4.7" and some 5.5" iPhone users but having the 4.7" screen without bezels would probably please SE users.
     
  21. MacFinnley macrumors 6502

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    If they are not able to build it into the screen, Apple should not make the front all screen. That's what I think at least.
     
  22. deuxani thread starter macrumors 6502

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    But then you would just end up with a 7S and 7S Plus and not have any design to compete with all the bezel-less smartphones that are coming out this year. I'd rather have a fingerprint scanner on the back than to go a fourth year with the iPhone 6 design.
     
  23. Aditya_S macrumors 6502

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    Is it possible Apple could just make the top and bottom bezels and include 3D Touch for the bottom bezel so if you press it, it just functions as a home button and they could make Touch ID the whole bottom part?
     
  24. Dave245 macrumors 601

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    It will be interesting to see how they do the function row, what purpose will it serve for example? A Touch Bar feature is very useful on a Mac but a similar feature on a phone is completely different because it's a hand held device but also it's a smartphone. I personally don't mind if the iPhone 5.8" doesn't fit in the 4.7" I'm currently using a 5.5" iPhone 7 Plus and I like the form factor.
     

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