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Why would you put PS on 11' screen? Let alone on MBA? That doesn't make any sense unless you use it for light retouches and filtering then I guess this other program will suite well but then again doing any raster editing on such a small screen is not good for your eyes at all.

I suppose that Displayport just passed you by.
 
I downloaded the Pixelmator demo version, and after 10 minutes of noodling around I bought it from the App Store. It looks good and capable for me, who only uses these apps from time to time. Good bye to the "free license" CS5!
 
This is what happens when you have a very good product that is aggressively priced. I am sure Apple is doing a whole lot better with Aperture too at only $79.

Adobe are you listening? You could be making a killing on the Mac App Store with a more reasonably priced product. :eek: Of course, first you have to have a situation where it's so easy to buy that pricing is the only decision that needs to be made and the instant gratification urge is there. That's what the Mac App Store does for developers.

Adobe is already making a killing from their creative suite product line. They don't need the App store.
 
Congrats!

I really appreciate the work from these guys. They sell a nice software to a dump price. I mean, ok. It's a lightweight photoshop, it has no vector "function" but I think you could do much things with it, just look at some of the tutorials. Professionals won't be pleased vs. PS, but for enthusiastic amateurs I can only recommend it.

Support the independent developer vs. Adobe :)
 
$1 million in revenue is lower than I thought. A lot of time and effort went into this app and we dont know what their profit is. Just revenue. Lets say they rent office space, have a designer, developer, webmaster, etc. They aren't quite getting rich in this thing.

If their company info page is correct, it's just two brothers: http://www.pixelmator.com/company/. Founded in 2007, I certainly haven't made $1 million since then, and certainly not in just the last 20 days. These guys are getting rich off this thing.
 
I am one of the people that bought Pixelmator during this 20-day time-span. It wasn't just out of admiration for Pixelmator, it was out of hate for Adobe.

I recently switched my main desktop computer to a Mac. The only two major programs that didn't make the transition were Halo and CS4. I contacted Adobe and asked if I could move my license to the Mac. I was informed that I would need to upgrade to do that.

The upgrade to CS5 Design Premium is $599. :mad:

Meanwhile, Pixelmator was $29.99 and I get version 2.0 for free. It wasn't a tough decision. Adobe was great in the mid '90s, but lately they've been annoying me. I hate how I have to call Adobe to reinstall the software... so the bloated software is not even installed on a Boot camp partition.

My CS5 alternatives are looking like this..
  • Apple's Pages '09 ($19.99) replaces InDesign
  • Pixelmator to replace Photoshop
  • Corona / GameSalad or HTML 5 could replace Flash
  • Artisteer, Xcode or even Seamonkey to replace Dreamweaver (There are plenty of HTML editors out there.)
  • and Inkscape to replace Illustrator

It looks like Adobe is in for some trouble.
 
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I'm glad there's a good alternative for non professionals who can't justify the cost of Adobe software. Congrats.

I find Photoshop Elements 9 to be an excellent feature-rich product. I paid about £65 which is very good value for money IMO.
 
That's what Apple does for competent developers...the world's most intuitive online display for apps (OS X or iOS alike).

That certainly explains why many useful apps are only available on Cydia and jailbroken iOS devices -- because Apple does not allow those apps from very competent developers in their precious little store because they either compete with Apple or provide functionality that Apple does not want to give to their customers. iBlacklist is a shining example for features that every iPhone should have, but that Apple just refuses to give us.
 
I am one of the people that bought Pixelmator during this 20-day time-span. It wasn't just out of admiration for Pixelmator, it was out of hate for Adobe.

I recently switched my main desktop computer to a Mac. The only two major programs that didn't make the transition were Halo and CS4. I contacted Adobe and asked if I could move my license to the Mac. I was informed that I would need to upgrade to do that.

The upgrade to CS5 Design Premium is $599. :mad:

Meanwhile, Pixelmator was $29.99 and I get version 2.0 for free. It wasn't a tough decision. Adobe was great in the mid '90s, but lately they've been annoying me. I hate how I have to call Adobe to reinstall the software... so the bloated software is not even installed on a Boot camp partition.

My CS5 alternatives are looking like this..
  • Apple's Pages '09 ($19.99) replaces InDesign
  • Pixelmator to replace Photoshop
  • Corona / GameSalad or HTML 5 could replace Flash
  • Artisteer, Xcode or even Seamonkey to replace Dreamweaver (There are plenty of HTML editors out there.)
  • and Inkscape to replace Illustrator

It looks like Adobe is in for some trouble.

Okay, few questions for you here.... I'm also a passionate adobe hater... the thing that bugs me the most is how they infest my computer when I install a program. Crap goes EVERYWHERE.

I recently deleted CS5 Master Collection, and am also using pixelmator as PS was the biggest thing I used. I do it on the side, no professional work, and it's AMAZING.

To my question though... Illustrator... I'm in the process of needing to BADLY make some logo's for some websites I'm working on. I have always done this in Illustrator in the past... I REALLY want to avoid re-installing adobe crap... so how does Inkscape work? Never tried it. Is it comparable HONESTLY?

I don't need this stuff like full blown professional. I'm a web consultant and a lot of my clients as for some reworked logo's... I maybe do one or two a month, TOPS. I'm doing my damnedest to avoid adobe like the plague, don't even have flash installed on my machines as I use HTML5 markup.

Anyways, long-winded question I know... thanks in advance.


I also replaced:

Indesign with Pages
Dreamweaver (OMG HORRID) with Coda (OMG AMAZING)
Flash with HTML5 and jquery (BEST CREATION SINCE SLICED BREAD!)

What do you feel about fireworks and after effects though? Hard to replace it seems.
 
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My CS5 alternatives are looking like this..
  • Apple's Pages '09 ($19.99) replaces InDesign
  • Pixelmator to replace Photoshop
  • Corona / GameSalad or HTML 5 could replace Flash
  • Artisteer, Xcode or even Seamonkey to replace Dreamweaver (There are plenty of HTML editors out there.)
  • and Inkscape to replace Illustrator

It looks like Adobe is in for some trouble.

HA! If you think those are equivalent, then you're not Adobe's target market.
 
HA! If you think those are equivalent, then you're not Adobe's target market.

Well I think that is the point.

I would venture to say that only 20%-25% of folks on this site are Adobe's "target audience." Unless you're a professional, you are not their target audience. ~$1800 software package is HARDLY aimed at the casual consumer, which most folks on here are.

So when your using these pieces of software a few times a month, or even 2 times a week or so... you are not the intended audience or a professional. When you use them every day, you shell out the big money for them. Otherwise, use the alternatives WHICH ARE HIGHLY comparable in terms of NON-PROFESSIONALS, which again, is the point.

Again, I would say if you notice big differences in the software compared to adobe, then maybe you need to step up, but most folks won't notice any difference.

The biggest comparison being pixelmator. In my eyes, this BLOWS PS out of the water with it's UI and speed. It's night and day as far as speed is concerned. But again, I use it maybe 5 times a month, it does everything I need it to do. I do web design/consulting for a living and it has done everything I have ever asked of it.

Oh yeah, lets not forget dreamweaver... HORRID! WOW HORRID! I mean I code all day long doing websites, and I laugh at people who use dreamweaver. It's a giant glorified (and poorly implemented) WYSIWYG.
 

In response to UTClassof89....

right from this article: We all create Pixelmator — the best image editor for the rest of us. And all of us love what we do very much.

That about sums up what I was saying... the "rest of us"... meaning the 75%+ people who are not professionals... they have a HUGE target audience, much larder than Adobe.... which is whats making them so successful.
 
I previously bought Pixelmator before the Mac app store was released. It doesn't seem like there is an option to transfer the license, so if I wanted the newest version I'll have to pay again... So that's kind of a bummer that I may have to pay twice.

But then, the version I have now works just fine, I guess.
 
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This software is probably what I need to replace that copy of PS Elements 2 that won't run in leopard or above.

I don't need PS, but I do need something a tad more advanced than Graphic Converter.

I can barely draw a box. I'm no graphic artiste.
 
The Mac app store is certainly going to take off slower and stay smaller than the iOS app store; but $700K revenue in 20 days is impressive. I don't think many Mac software houses would be unhappy with that.

Particularly when you consider you have to upgrade your OS to get the App Store and lots of Mac users are slow to do so, unless/until they have to. The number of Mac App Store users is probably still very small, even in comparison to the iOS App Store when it launched.


and as far as i know these guys are 2 brothers based in london
 
In response to UTClassof89....

right from this article: We all create Pixelmator — the best image editor for the rest of us. And all of us love what we do very much.

That about sums up what I was saying... the "rest of us"... meaning the 75%+ people who are not professionals... they have a HUGE target audience, much larder than Adobe.... which is whats making them so successful.


the way i'd put it is:

if you design stuff for web Pixelmator is for you
if you receive design as psd for slicing and optimizing and so on for web you will need PS - not all layer effects are suppported in Pixelmator
if you are in DTP, PS is your only option since there's no CMYK support in Pixelmator

I work as a web dev and of course at work it's PS but at home I always try to open psd in pixelmator and if it's fine i carry on, if not i use PS.

For designing from scratch for web i prefer Pixelmator - speed, easy of use, UI, price - you can't beet these
 
I previously bought Pixelmator before the Mac app store was released. It doesn't seem like there is an option to transfer the license, so if I wanted the newest version I'll have to pay again... So that's kind of a bummer that I may have to pay twice.

But then, the version I have now works just fine, I guess.
Buy it now from the MAS and you'll get version 2 free when released.

and as far as i know these guys are 2 brothers based in london

Two brothers, but nine staff at present. (see post above)
 
the way i'd put it is:

if you design stuff for web Pixelmator is for you
if you receive design as psd for slicing and optimizing and so on for web you will need PS - not all layer effects are suppported in Pixelmator
if you are in DTP, PS is your only option since there's no CMYK support in Pixelmator

I work as a web dev and of course at work it's PS but at home I always try to open psd in pixelmator and if it's fine i carry on, if not i use PS.

For designing from scratch for web i prefer Pixelmator - speed, easy of use, UI, price - you can't beet these

Yep. I'm a SEO first off, web consultant (notice I DO NOT use designer here) 2nd. I prefer to use CMS's and am by no means of the imagination a designer. I deal mostly on the coding side of things.
 
HA! If you think those are equivalent, then you're not Adobe's target market.

I don't think so...

Can I make books and publications with Pages?

Actually, I think Pages was better. When I tried to convert my Textbook to an epub with InDesign CS4, it either did a bad job or it simply crashed. The only major feature missing that I noticed was an automatic Index generator. InDesign was much better at managing an Index.

What does Photoshop do that Pixelmator can't?

Pixelmator would be a complete replacement for Photoshop, except that it's missing some cool features. Layer effects are nice - although, it's overused. Instead of using Photoshop gimmicks, I'm forced to create actual designs. And if I really need a drop shadow or outline, there are ways to make that with Pixelmator.

What do people use Photoshop for? I'm not touching up models for the Victoria Secret catalog. I'm basically doing one of three things with Photoshop... artwork for the web... artwork for print... artwork for apps. If Adobe doesn't want customers like me, then they've just eliminated about 99% of the market.

I've always hated Dreamweaver

I'm one of the few web developers that liked Frontpage. There was a simple setting to stop it from screwing up your code. I liked Frontpage because it was quick. I could switch to HTML code or back to WYSIWYG. When Dreamweaver somehow became the standard, I was confused. Why was this slow and bloated program so popular?

The reality is that a lot of web projects are centered around the CMS. I don't need Dreamweaver for that, as a decent CMS has a built-in editor. The only design work needed is creating the overall template. That's why I consider Artisteer as a superior alternative to Dreamweaver. Drupal, WordPress, Joomla - those are the systems that drive many websites. Click... click... done. That's how programs should work. I shouldn't have to waste years of my life figuring out how the program works. The program should know what I want and do it for me!

What about Flash?!

For annoying Banner ads, Flash is the champion. Yet, I primarily used Flash for two types of projects... Web Video and Games. With HTML 5, and that pesky <video> tag, things are pretty screwed up for web video right now. And considering that iOS web browser doesn't even support Flash, I have to start looking at alternatives. Those alternatives are looking a lot cheaper.

For games, this market is getting competitive. Programs like Unity, Torque, GameSalad and Corona are battling it out. GameSalad is free. The software can make games for the iPad, iPod Touch and iPhone. That's a huge chunk of the market right there. Plus, there's a web plugin. It's not ready for prime-time, but GameSalad is in beta. Mac App Store support is also coming soon. That's just GameSalad. The other SDKs also have advantages.

What do I get with Flash? FRUSTRATION!

I've watched ActionScript grow into a complicated mess. It used to take a few seconds to make a button to go to a web address. Now I have to use a search engine to remind myself how it's done in AS3. When several lines of code are needed to perform such a trivial task, the software is moving in the wrong direction.

Why should I pay more money for software I hate? Competitors are emerging. Is it a perfect replacement for Adobe Creative Suite? In every instance, no... but the competition is showing innovation — with faster, cheaper and often better alternatives.

if you are in DTP, PS is your only option since there's no CMYK support in Pixelmator

That is a big weakness of Pixelmator when compared to Photoshop.

Heh, but it's been a while since I needed to worry about that. :)
 
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So which software distribution channel pays more than 70% to the developer? How much do you think does the developer get when you go into a store and pick up software with a $29.95 price tag?

I have bought software directly from the seller and paid through paypal. They don't charge 30%.

Although as someone else said, the devs aren't complaining.
 
I don't think so...

Can I make books and publications with Pages?

Actually, I think Pages was better. When I tried to convert my Textbook to an epub with InDesign CS4, it either did a bad job or it simply crashed. The only major feature missing that I noticed was an automatic Index generator. InDesign was much better at managing an Index.

What does Photoshop do that Pixelmator can't?

Pixelmator would be a complete replacement for Photoshop, except that it's missing some cool features. Layer effects are nice - although, it's overused. Instead of using Photoshop gimmicks, I'm forced to create actual designs. And if I really need a drop shadow or outline, there are ways to make that with Pixelmator.

What do people use Photoshop for? I'm not touching up models for the Victoria Secret catalog. I'm basically doing one of three things with Photoshop... artwork for the web... artwork for print... artwork for apps. If Adobe doesn't want customers like me, then they've just eliminated about 99% of the market.

I've always hated Dreamweaver

I'm one of the few web developers that liked Frontpage. There was a simple setting to stop it from screwing up your code. I liked Frontpage because it was quick. I could switch to HTML code or back to WYSIWYG. When Dreamweaver somehow became the standard, I was confused. Why was this slow and bloated program so popular?

The reality is that a lot of web projects are centered around the CMS. I don't need Dreamweaver for that, as a decent CMS has a built-in editor. The only design work needed is creating the overall template. That's why I consider Artisteer as a superior alternative to Dreamweaver. Drupal, WordPress, Joomla - those are the systems that drive many websites. Click... click... done. That's how programs should work. I shouldn't have to waste years of my life figuring out how the program works. The program should know what I want and do it for me!


What about Flash?!

For annoying Banner ads, Flash is the champion. Yet, I primarily used Flash for two types of projects... Web Video and Games. With HTML 5, and that pesky <video> tag, things are pretty screwed up for web video right now. And considering that iOS web browser doesn't even support Flash, I have to start looking at alternatives. Those alternatives are looking a lot cheaper.

For games, this market is getting competitive. Programs like Unity, Torque, GameSalad and Corona are battling it out. GameSalad is free. The software can make games for the iPad, iPod Touch and iPhone. That's a huge chunk of the market right there. Plus, there's a web plugin. It's not ready for prime-time, but GameSalad is in beta. Mac App Store support is also coming soon. That's just GameSalad. The other SDKs also have advantages.

What do I get with Flash? FRUSTRATION!

I've watched ActionScript grow into a complicated mess. It used to take a few seconds to make a button to go to a web address. Now I have to use a search engine to remind myself how it's done in AS3. When several lines of code are needed to perform such a trivial task, the software is moving in the wrong direction.

Why should I pay more money for software I hate? Competitors are emerging. Is it a perfect replacement for Adobe Creative Suite? In every instance, no... but the competition is showing innovation — with faster, cheaper and often better alternatives.



That is a big weakness of Pixelmator when compared to Photoshop.

Heh, but it's been a while since I needed to worry about that. :)

We sir, can be best friends ;)

I use Coda to do all my coding (php, javascript, jquery, mysql, etc etc)... I am in love with it. It has a tab to see live view stuff, but meh, like you, and the rest of the smart web world, I use CMS's.

Basically throw one up, edit and make a theme, go from there. Wordpress, Joomla (although I don't like it), and Drupal are amazing.
 
Now this is nice!

I don't have pixelmator yet, but I plan to buy it.

What I want to point mostly is that this program is a nice raster graphics editor with low price (way lower than photoshop) and good performance.

Since I haven't used it much, I can't say if it can hit photoshop, but a friend told me it does, at least when it comes to RGB projects, because pixelmator does not support CMYK color space yet, something that is a big drawback for me since I work in printing.



The most important thing however is this is a sign, that software monopolies can take a direct hit with digital distribution solutions like app store (or steam in games, etc).

I'm a long term photoshop user, but seriously the adobe products are getting worst and worst, mostly because they play without much competition and as a result the just don't try hard enough to make something good.

Let's hope that this is a big win against the big software companies and their monopolies, don't forget after all, that competition between companies, is good for us the customers!
 
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