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General @Planetbeing has a 6.0.2 (6.1) JB

Mrg02d said:
Lets keep in mind alot of those nice Cydia apps costs us money. So it's not entitlement. If any of those JB devs ever got paid then they OWE a jailbreak to us if it exists.

I'm sure they are more than willing to turn over what they have once its reasonable to do so. If giving up their only one means death to the jailbreak, then that would be irresponsible...we will just have to wait.

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If they recieved money for one of their apps then paying customers can blame them for leaving..I was around when jailbreakjng first began and am sad to see what it's become today. Back then people did it for prestige, now it's done for money. Makes them no different than apple. So if they want to accept payment then they accept all that goes with it.

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If they recieved money for one of their apps then paying customers can blame them for leaving..I was around when jailbreakjng first began and am sad to see what it's become today. Back then people did it for prestige, now it's done for money. Makes them no different than apple. So if they want to accept payment then they accept all that goes with it.
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I see what you're saying but I don't quite agree with all of it. What you imply is that you paid for a program and you're entitled to support for that program forever? NO. You're entitled to support for that program on Firmware X.X.X. Heck, even new versions of the program the developer may decide changes are big enough to charge for the newer version.

Money will be the motivation in 99% of world. How many people do you know that work for free?...
 
wgr73 said:
I see what you're saying but I don't quite agree with all of it. What you imply is that you paid for a program and you're entitled to support for that program forever? NO. You're entitled to support for that program on Firmware X.X.X. Heck, even new versions of the program the developer may decide changes are big enough to charge for the newer version.

Money will be the motivation in 99% of world. How many people do you know that work for free?...
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*Activates flame shield*
 
When the golden master is released they should send out the hack. Apple won't have time to fix it. Or a day after the public version is released.
 
Schnedi said:
things are clear.

If iOS 6.1 closes the exploit they have, they will release the jailbreak for iOS 6.0.x

If iOS 6.1 doesn't close the exploit they won't release any jailbreak, cause they'll use it to find more issues for future jailbreaks...


BUT If 6.1 doesn't close the actual exploit AND they don't find any other exploit, WOULD they release the jailbreak? planetbeing hasn't answered to that (i think).


sorry if my english is not good :S
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I think you have it right. The "BUT" question is a good one. In my opinion I don't think they will. We can only wait and see.
 
la79 said:
I think you have it right. The "BUT" question is a good one. In my opinion I don't think they will. We can only wait and see.
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it makes me wonder if they really have this jailbreak. I haven't seen a demo of it. They're basically saying they have it but won't release it because Apple might kill the bug. But then they will just keep it to themselves and if they don't find anything else then we aren't getting jack ****
 
tymaster50 said:
it makes me wonder if they really have this jailbreak. I haven't seen a demo of it. They're basically saying they have it but won't release it because Apple might kill the bug. But then they will just keep it to themselves and if they don't find anything else then we aren't getting jack ****
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Where have you been hiding….Chpwn, Musclenerd and Planetbeing all showed the JB.
 
la79 said:
I think you have it right. The "BUT" question is a good one. In my opinion I don't think they will. We can only wait and see.
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Like the only real proven devs have nothing better to do then lie about this stuff.
 
tymaster50 said:
When it's running on my iPhone on 6.0.2 or 6.1 then I will believe it. Until then it's still a "failbreak" to me.
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You dont have to believe, install or use anything you dont want to.
Talk is cheap.
Well known iphone hackers dont need to prove or convince anyone about anything. They provide their work for free to everyone anyway with donations from those who want and can kick something back to them as a token of appreciation.
 
tymaster50 said:
When it's running on my iPhone on 6.0.2 or 6.1 then I will believe it. Until then it's still a "failbreak" to me.
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we have a sceptic, yeah sure they don't have one, actually there never was a jailbreak, they never released the earlier jailbreaks, redsn0w does not exists, it's all a lie, a dream, make believe, conjured up, THEY SHOT KENNEDY!!!
 
tymaster50 said:
When it's running on my iPhone on 6.0.2 or 6.1 then I will believe it. Until then it's still a "failbreak" to me.
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wow tough crowd....Jeez what do these guys have to do to earn some credibility with you? This group has been delivering Jailbreaks since the original iphone and have built a very strong reputation. I dont get where your skepticism is coming from.
 
TriJetHero said:
Correct, the have some leads, even Saurik chiped in and put in some ideas.
It's a game of chess, always think X-number of steps ahead of your opponent, so if 6.1 doesn't close all exploits they will wait to ensure future jailbreaks.
I think they are close.

@planetbeing also mentioned it's a team effort (exploits by different members) and it will be a team decision to release any jailbreak.
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Yeah, the Jailbreak community is actually rather disciplined about the way they release and "use" the exploits they find.

What pisses me off though is that Apple is playing stupid games with them. It is in Apple's best financial interest to have them easily available, and properly working Jailbreaks out there, with just enough distance so that they don't have to provide software support for JB'ed devices. However, it would nearly impossible for Apple shareholders to mandate that Jailbreaks are somehow endorsed, as Apple is well known for doing whatever the ****** it wants even if it is not in the best fiduciary interest of it's shareholders.

Heck, in Apple land their best bet would be to build holes into new hardware for new Jailbreaks, and then close the old ones up. Or am I just thinking too evil?
 
BiggAW said:
Yeah, the Jailbreak community is actually rather disciplined about the way they release and "use" the exploits they find.

What pisses me off though is that Apple is playing stupid games with them. It is in Apple's best financial interest to have them easily available, and properly working Jailbreaks out there, with just enough distance so that they don't have to provide software support for JB'ed devices. However, it would nearly impossible for Apple shareholders to mandate that Jailbreaks are somehow endorsed, as Apple is well known for doing whatever the ****** it wants even if it is not in the best fiduciary interest of it's shareholders.

Heck, in Apple land their best bet would be to build holes into new hardware for new Jailbreaks, and then close the old ones up. Or am I just thinking too evil?
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Its not in apples best interest to have JB's, because that means there is a hole in their hardware/software, which is bad for business. By Apple having a secure Smartphone people/businesses are more likely to use them over android.
 
TSX said:
Its not in apples best interest to have JB's, because that means there is a hole in their hardware/software, which is bad for business. By Apple having a secure Smartphone people/businesses are more likely to use them over android.
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I don't think he meant it's best for Apple to have "security flaws".

Despite Apple saying the primary reason for patching jailbreaks may be to patch any "security flaws", with the exception of maybe the safari PDF exploits through jailbreakme.com, almost all of the jailbreak tools (in particular, recent ones) require conscious steps on the users behalf. Apple locks down iOS for CONTROL, primarily over the app store market. Thus, they aren't really as potent as "security flaws" sounds.

This includes downloading a program, putting your phone into DFU mode, running the application, ect. Given how hard it is for a team of talented developers to put together a jailbreak, I don't think a single hacker could easily ruin millions of iDevices by somehow tricking users into performing the many steps listed above in 2013.

Android is no where near the "safeness" of iOS, yet you don't really hear of security complaints nowadays. Any operating system can be exploited or have malware, viruses, ect. Even OS X, nowadays. OS X is open, but still very safe - there is no reason iOS should be any different.

It WOULD be in Apple's financial interest to look to the JB community for at least tweaks, if not customization or openness, to drive sales through innovation. The fact that other mobile platforms have basic functionality such as quick reply texting and iOS doesn't, yet it's the oldest true smartphone OS, is inexcusable. Hopefully Forstall was kicked out to spur innovation in this direction, otherwise iOS has a long and boring road ahead of it.
 
bigjnyc said:
wow tough crowd....Jeez what do these guys have to do to earn some credibility with you? This group has been delivering Jailbreaks since the original iphone and have built a very strong reputation. I dont get where your skepticism is coming from.
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Complaining poster has only been here a few short months (not making an excuse for him).
Apparently he is short on knowledge of the jailbreak community and jailbreak history. :rolleyes:
 
TSX said:
Its not in apples best interest to have JB's, because that means there is a hole in their hardware/software, which is bad for business. By Apple having a secure Smartphone people/businesses are more likely to use them over android.
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It is in their best business interest, and is their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to sell to as many people as possible, including ones who will only buy if there is a JB.
 
BiggAW said:
Heck, in Apple land their best bet would be to build holes into new hardware for new Jailbreaks, and then close the old ones up. Or am I just thinking too evil?
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I wish they would do this / hope they do :p

However, given that this is Apple we're talking about here - it's hard to believe they leave holes on purpose :D
 
You all need to realize that with the release of 6.1, we will most likely not see a release of a jailbreak.

Planetbeing has stated they want to keep at least one bug for themselves, to where they need like 4+ to make it work. That means even once 6.1 is released, THEY STILL NEED TO FIND ANOTHER BUG. That could be even more months.

If you want a JB, you need to hope that 6.1 breaks all the bugs they currently have. Not ideal, but if you want it now, this is what has to happen for that event.
 
BiggAW said:
It is in their best business interest, and is their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to sell to as many people as possible, including ones who will only buy if there is a JB.
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Where have you been everyone knows apple doesn't make their product based on what people want, they make their products based on what they (apple) want. This has always been the case for apple, they don't care about #'s.

Based on the #'s that apple has been selling, apparently by doing what apple wants to do has worked.
 
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