when comex was talking about the deleted photos he was talking about the last spirit release, not the upcoming one.
the issues with the upcoming one are the ones you listed.
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when comex was talking about the deleted photos he was talking about the last spirit release, not the upcoming one.
the issues with the upcoming one are the ones you listed.
Yes, I heard him say something about Saurik and it seemed to me the ball was in his court for something as well as a bit more testing.
And yes, he said the photo issue was with the last Spirit.
Either way - sounds like JB is imminent.
I'm going to bet we get it by Monday but I've been saying that for 2 weeks now
And yes, he said the photo issue was with the last Spirit.
Either way - sounds like JB is imminent.
I'm going to bet we get it by Monday but I've been saying that for 2 weeks now
That's my podcast. Sorry about the problems. Like someone said, they were bound to happen. The fully edited and more "professional" podcast is up on http://twiiphone.com
Once it got settled in, the content was exceptional. Then it cut out again. Taking the stream down was the right thing to do, because the podcast I downloaded was phenomenal once edited. I felt bad for everyone involved, it had to be frustrating. Mad props to the dev-team for not saying "ah, ***** it".
Thanks. You can't believe all the hate I was getting all last night from people on Twitter and in the Ustream chat room.
It was more of my fault, as I had a rather poor wifi signal from where I was sitting. I moved closer to the door a few feet over, and I got a perfect signal. I was at a different place than I usually do the recordings. After I got the perfect signal, I brought the stream back up, and everything was working perfectly.
I wouldn't ever let them leave
. I didn't do all this to have them disappear hehe.
You guys are so sweet . Except for all those jerks on Twitter and the chat room . One of these days, we'll get MuscleNerd on.
. Except for all those jerks on Twitter and the chat room . One of these days, we'll get MuscleNerd on.Thanks. You can't believe all the hate I was getting all last night from people on Twitter and in the Ustream chat room.
It was more of my fault, as I had a rather poor wifi signal from where I was sitting. I moved closer to the door a few feet over, and I got a perfect signal. I was at a different place than I usually do the recordings. After I got the perfect signal, I brought the stream back up, and everything was working perfectly.
I wouldn't ever let them leave
We did some streams of boss fights from an MMO on ustream. When you get thousands of people on the chat room, it's mindless banter and palaver. Group mentality. I wouldn't let it get to you. The final product was excellent, although some of stuff that was cut was really funny. I'm sure you were under time constraints though.
This is transcript of it Written by: ChiJake8907
ALL the people on the skype
Brian-Host
David Wang- Planet Being
Comex
CHPWN- Grant Paul
iH8Snow
Matthew (usual guest)
Anthony(usual guest)
Alan
———————————————————————————————
UPDATE- Q & A Session! (Please note that these are not word for word, just the main key parts)
Q-Do you do hacking in Linux or what OS?
PlanetBeing- Mac OS 10 and Linux heavily..everything but windows.
ih8snow-linux and windows
chpwn (Grant)-linux and mac os 10
—————-
CHPWN-THE JAILBREAK HAS A NAME!! but it is a surprise! It is not spirit 2!
—————-
Q-Thoughts on white iPhone 4 release?
Anthony-fix the hardware issues
Comex-fix the firmware too!
Planetbeing-I heard that the white color was not adhering properly to the glass.
Q-Did any of you take part of the free bumper program?
Matthew-Yes I got the smoke colored one (encase snap case)
iH8snow-Idont have the iPhone 4 currently but i think that it was a good idea.
chpwn-I got a refund on my first bumper case and I have since then ordered another one
(at this point the uStream session crashed, will update when back on, note that this was recorded more than once)
Session restarted
Q- Are you satisfied with ATT’s network? Is ATT is that bad?
Matthew- It depends on where you are, in San Fransisco it is pretty bad. ATT does have a wide network though.
Anthony-In California it is really bad, especially around the mountains.
Chpwn-I live in San Fransisco and I havent had a problem with ATT, although the iPhone4 is my first iPhone. They could improve but they aren’t that bad right now.
Alan-I am happy with ATT in El Paso. When I call Mexico, ATT is a very good carrier. Better than when I had verizon.
Q-Apparently Best Buy is giving away free Zagg full body protection, have you tried to get it?
Matthew-The product isn’t that great, since its free go for it. Other than that not a great idea.
Q-Is iOS 4.1 B2 helping performance at all or have you tested it at all?
iH8snow-I have been fooling around with it, with the 3g the speed is a lot greater, but not so much on the 3gs.
PlanetBeing-I heard that they fixed a bug in the baseband that allowed the unlock.
Chpwn-I don’t mess with betas, I like to wait till final release because Apple changes things.
PlanetBeing-I agree, I wait till the final release as well.
Q-Have you started working on Android for iPhone 4? I’d love to check it out. Also, will there be an easier way to install it at some point? Such as Cydia installation, or something?
PlanetBeing- I haven’t worked on it for the iPhone 4 yet, it will take a lot of work wtih the hardware. I think the hardware is similar to the iPad and older iPhones. Don’t expect it anytime soon, but it might eventually. The easier installation method is on my list.
Q-I have been a jailbreak user since the iPhone 3G, and have learned the hardware very well. What advice can you give to someone that wants to get into the scene? What should someone need to do to get familiar with the programming/coding of iOS?
Comex-Set up better irc channels. Current ones are too spammy.
PlanetBeing- In terms of helping people? I agree, I have been on some very good irc channels where people are hacking very low level stuff. In terms of how to get started, the best way is to have a project, something concrete, that you want to work on. The best way to learn, for me anyways, is learning on my own. Not asking others for help.
Q- Are you planning on picking up on LogoMe again? If not, will you make it open source? It was awesome while it worked.
PlanetBeing- The thing with LogoMe it is hard to make it work with all platforms. The hardest part is the hardware that requires tethering and the hardware that requires a userland only exploit. In terms of picking it up again, yes, it is on my never-ending list of things to do. As for open sourcing it, I haven’t decided if I want to make it open source yet. One thing I want to do is make it so you can overclock and underclock your iPhone. That would be really cool.
Q- What has been the biggest headache/roadblock for the latest jailbreak so far?
Comex-We were just about to release and there was this issue *cant talk about because it will release the exploit* because of the way I have been testing it.*I actually found a new exploit and now am using that. (my guess would be that the original exploit he found was in the network somehow. Like it only worked either on 3g or WiFi)
Chpwn-I have only been working on the website but in javascript it is really hard to detect which iPhone or iDevice they are actually using..(regarding pMaps I’m guessing)
Q-What made you want to unlock the iPhone?
PlanetBeing-In terms of jailbreak, I got into it because I had an iPod touch thinking it would be easy to copy apps from the iPhone to the iPod touch because the iPt was missing somethings. Unfortunately it wasn’t easy so I had a project to jailbreak the iPt. I now do it because I think it is a fun challenge.
Q- Two-parts: (1) In your opinion, why do you believe Apple has not completely closed the exploits you can use to gain root access to jailbreak the iPhone? (2) Do you believe that because of this, Apple (deep down) wants some sort of “jailbreaker” community to continue to follow their prized phone in an ever-growing, ever-competitive, community of open smartphones?
PlanetBeing-They are consistently closing the holes, we are just finding more. They can’t close the ones they don’t know about.* I think its incorrect that Apple wants a jailbreak community. Apple has made it easy for the enduser though.
Chpwn-Apple doesnt want the enduser to have a bad experience for the iPhone for the brand.
Comex-I dont have an explanation for why they are doing this, but it is interesting. They could be doing a lot more to stop this.
PlanetBeing-They once tried to do something in apps that would redirect to another processor, but we found out how to stop that and exploited in fairly quickly.
Comex- My theory is that Steve Jobs would say* its something that some companies do, like skype. They have some symbols in them, that would you have to make make a script to get rid of the symbols. It would be annoying though.
PlanetBeing- Do you think they need symbols to do the dynamic linking that they use the kernel extensions on?
Comex- Well I think thats the reason because, starting in 3.2 they got rid of a lot of the symbols. You could just write a python script and zero out the symbols.
PlanetBeing- They dont need any run time linking in the kernel.
Comex- They don’t do any, its disabled.
Chpwn-Apple doesn’t try to look for their own exploits to fix them. They aren’t very proactive. If they did, it would make Jailbreaking more difficult.
Matthew- Typically, in my company, we don’t look for exploits in our own software. We use it like our clients would and hope that it breaks so we can find problems. Apple won’t start looking for exploits until the security becomes an issue. I think its becuase they are connected with ATT.
PlanetBeing- I don’t agree that its because they are connected to ATT. Apple is the one who filed against jailbreaking with the library of congress.
Q- I always wanted to create apps for my own personal use. I would first think that you would need to know how to create an app before jailbreaking the iPhone. I opened a dev account on Apple, looked at some videos, but I’m still confused as to where I should start. So my questions are, exactly where or how should one start who wants to create apps and work on iPhone hacks, and where did you get started?
PlanetBeing- Well creating an application is much different from jailbreaking or creating a baseband unlock. I barely know anything about creating an honest to goodness app. In terms of where to get started, I would just go to developer.apple.com and look at the Apple developer site.
iH8snow-Youtube even has some good tutorials.
Chpwn- I would say you should probably use the resources that Apple makes available. Starting with the iPhone isn’t the best way to start because it isn’t a full platform.
Comex- Cocoa touch scared me for a long time.
Q-How long does it take to find a vulnerability in the iOS, write an exploit, and get a smooth working jailbreak?
PlanetBeing- Idk, Comex how long does it take?
Comex- For finding an exploit, a lot of it is luck. I take a lot of time to take a look at the kernel and finding an exploit. It takes a more predictable amount of time to create the working jailbreak. The boring part is creating a working jailbreak.
PlanetBeing- Do you like finding the vulnerability more than writing an exploit for it?
Comex- Yes, I find it much more exciting.
PlanetBeing- I actually like crafting vulnerabilities. It depends on what constraints you are under.
Comex- The return oriented stuff is interesting, but the actual making the website is boring. Even it can be awesome at the end.
Chpwn- It is pretty awesome.
Comex- Yeah, you are going to like it
Is there a way to get FaceTime working on a cellular network?
Chpwn- We haven’t taken a look at this yet, but we know the creator of 3g unrestrictor is definitely interested in that. It should be up soon after the jailbreak is out. I am not sure how good the quality would be.
Q-Do you ever get annoyed by people who are constantly bug you about a jailbreak? To me, it would be neat at first, because you have a massive amount of people who are relying on you (and other, of course) for the jailbreak, but maybe it would get annoying after a while.
PlanetBeing- It is simple enough to ignore the too bothersome people. My point is if I could help them and release the jailbreak, it would be done. We release as soon as its done. There is no way to release faster.
Comex- It is mostly the same thing for me.
Q-What do you think about iPhone app piracy?
Comex- I hate it. It gives a really bad name to jailbreaking. It poisons stuff.
PlanetBeing- I have the same idea. Apple should make it harder to pirate iPhone applications.
Chpwn- I sort of started out with the iPhone piracy stuff, but once I released paid apps of my own that I am now against it. I understand why some people do it.
Q-Will Frash be coming to anything other than the iPad?
Comex- I haven’t had the time to work on Frash lately. There is no reason that it doesn’t work on those devices.
Anthony- Isn’t there anyway that some one could get it publically.
Comex- Yes there its on Kangaroos repo.
Chpwn- Distributing frash itself is hard because it comes from the Android market.
Q-Have you thought about quitting the iPhone scene?
PlanetBeing- Idk, the iPhone_dev team are my friends, it’d be like quitting my friends.
Q-When will the iPhone 4/iOS 4.x jailbreak be released?
Comex- You have to ask Saurik if he’s done with that bootstrap yet. It is pretty close to done.
PlanetBeing- The unlock is done.
Chpwn- There has to be a lot of testing done.
Comex- Just a few days ago there was a big screw up with the jailbreak.
NO RELEASE DATE HAS BEEN SAID
Thanks for reading. Sorry for not getting everything word for word. I do not have any speech to text software so this was all transcribed by hands.
ALL the people on the skype
Brian-Host
David Wang- Planet Being
Comex
CHPWN- Grant Paul
iH8Snow
Matthew (usual guest)
Anthony(usual guest)
Alan
———————————————————————————————
UPDATE- Q & A Session! (Please note that these are not word for word, just the main key parts)
Q-Do you do hacking in Linux or what OS?
PlanetBeing- Mac OS 10 and Linux heavily..everything but windows.
ih8snow-linux and windows
chpwn (Grant)-linux and mac os 10
—————-
CHPWN-THE JAILBREAK HAS A NAME!! but it is a surprise! It is not spirit 2!
—————-
Q-Thoughts on white iPhone 4 release?
Anthony-fix the hardware issues
Comex-fix the firmware too!
Planetbeing-I heard that the white color was not adhering properly to the glass.
Q-Did any of you take part of the free bumper program?
Matthew-Yes I got the smoke colored one (encase snap case)
iH8snow-Idont have the iPhone 4 currently but i think that it was a good idea.
chpwn-I got a refund on my first bumper case and I have since then ordered another one
(at this point the uStream session crashed, will update when back on, note that this was recorded more than once)
Session restarted
Q- Are you satisfied with ATT’s network? Is ATT is that bad?
Matthew- It depends on where you are, in San Fransisco it is pretty bad. ATT does have a wide network though.
Anthony-In California it is really bad, especially around the mountains.
Chpwn-I live in San Fransisco and I havent had a problem with ATT, although the iPhone4 is my first iPhone. They could improve but they aren’t that bad right now.
Alan-I am happy with ATT in El Paso. When I call Mexico, ATT is a very good carrier. Better than when I had verizon.
Q-Apparently Best Buy is giving away free Zagg full body protection, have you tried to get it?
Matthew-The product isn’t that great, since its free go for it. Other than that not a great idea.
Q-Is iOS 4.1 B2 helping performance at all or have you tested it at all?
iH8snow-I have been fooling around with it, with the 3g the speed is a lot greater, but not so much on the 3gs.
PlanetBeing-I heard that they fixed a bug in the baseband that allowed the unlock.
Chpwn-I don’t mess with betas, I like to wait till final release because Apple changes things.
PlanetBeing-I agree, I wait till the final release as well.
Q-Have you started working on Android for iPhone 4? I’d love to check it out. Also, will there be an easier way to install it at some point? Such as Cydia installation, or something?
PlanetBeing- I haven’t worked on it for the iPhone 4 yet, it will take a lot of work wtih the hardware. I think the hardware is similar to the iPad and older iPhones. Don’t expect it anytime soon, but it might eventually. The easier installation method is on my list.
Q-I have been a jailbreak user since the iPhone 3G, and have learned the hardware very well. What advice can you give to someone that wants to get into the scene? What should someone need to do to get familiar with the programming/coding of iOS?
Comex-Set up better irc channels. Current ones are too spammy.
PlanetBeing- In terms of helping people? I agree, I have been on some very good irc channels where people are hacking very low level stuff. In terms of how to get started, the best way is to have a project, something concrete, that you want to work on. The best way to learn, for me anyways, is learning on my own. Not asking others for help.
Q- Are you planning on picking up on LogoMe again? If not, will you make it open source? It was awesome while it worked.
PlanetBeing- The thing with LogoMe it is hard to make it work with all platforms. The hardest part is the hardware that requires tethering and the hardware that requires a userland only exploit. In terms of picking it up again, yes, it is on my never-ending list of things to do. As for open sourcing it, I haven’t decided if I want to make it open source yet. One thing I want to do is make it so you can overclock and underclock your iPhone. That would be really cool.
Q- What has been the biggest headache/roadblock for the latest jailbreak so far?
Comex-We were just about to release and there was this issue *cant talk about because it will release the exploit* because of the way I have been testing it.*I actually found a new exploit and now am using that. (my guess would be that the original exploit he found was in the network somehow. Like it only worked either on 3g or WiFi)
Chpwn-I have only been working on the website but in javascript it is really hard to detect which iPhone or iDevice they are actually using..(regarding pMaps I’m guessing)
Q-What made you want to unlock the iPhone?
PlanetBeing-In terms of jailbreak, I got into it because I had an iPod touch thinking it would be easy to copy apps from the iPhone to the iPod touch because the iPt was missing somethings. Unfortunately it wasn’t easy so I had a project to jailbreak the iPt. I now do it because I think it is a fun challenge.
Q- Two-parts: (1) In your opinion, why do you believe Apple has not completely closed the exploits you can use to gain root access to jailbreak the iPhone? (2) Do you believe that because of this, Apple (deep down) wants some sort of “jailbreaker” community to continue to follow their prized phone in an ever-growing, ever-competitive, community of open smartphones?
PlanetBeing-They are consistently closing the holes, we are just finding more. They can’t close the ones they don’t know about.* I think its incorrect that Apple wants a jailbreak community. Apple has made it easy for the enduser though.
Chpwn-Apple doesnt want the enduser to have a bad experience for the iPhone for the brand.
Comex-I dont have an explanation for why they are doing this, but it is interesting. They could be doing a lot more to stop this.
PlanetBeing-They once tried to do something in apps that would redirect to another processor, but we found out how to stop that and exploited in fairly quickly.
Comex- My theory is that Steve Jobs would say* its something that some companies do, like skype. They have some symbols in them, that would you have to make make a script to get rid of the symbols. It would be annoying though.
PlanetBeing- Do you think they need symbols to do the dynamic linking that they use the kernel extensions on?
Comex- Well I think thats the reason because, starting in 3.2 they got rid of a lot of the symbols. You could just write a python script and zero out the symbols.
PlanetBeing- They dont need any run time linking in the kernel.
Comex- They don’t do any, its disabled.
Chpwn-Apple doesn’t try to look for their own exploits to fix them. They aren’t very proactive. If they did, it would make Jailbreaking more difficult.
Matthew- Typically, in my company, we don’t look for exploits in our own software. We use it like our clients would and hope that it breaks so we can find problems. Apple won’t start looking for exploits until the security becomes an issue. I think its becuase they are connected with ATT.
PlanetBeing- I don’t agree that its because they are connected to ATT. Apple is the one who filed against jailbreaking with the library of congress.
Q- I always wanted to create apps for my own personal use. I would first think that you would need to know how to create an app before jailbreaking the iPhone. I opened a dev account on Apple, looked at some videos, but I’m still confused as to where I should start. So my questions are, exactly where or how should one start who wants to create apps and work on iPhone hacks, and where did you get started?
PlanetBeing- Well creating an application is much different from jailbreaking or creating a baseband unlock. I barely know anything about creating an honest to goodness app. In terms of where to get started, I would just go to developer.apple.com and look at the Apple developer site.
iH8snow-Youtube even has some good tutorials.
Chpwn- I would say you should probably use the resources that Apple makes available. Starting with the iPhone isn’t the best way to start because it isn’t a full platform.
Comex- Cocoa touch scared me for a long time.
Q-How long does it take to find a vulnerability in the iOS, write an exploit, and get a smooth working jailbreak?
PlanetBeing- Idk, Comex how long does it take?
Comex- For finding an exploit, a lot of it is luck. I take a lot of time to take a look at the kernel and finding an exploit. It takes a more predictable amount of time to create the working jailbreak. The boring part is creating a working jailbreak.
PlanetBeing- Do you like finding the vulnerability more than writing an exploit for it?
Comex- Yes, I find it much more exciting.
PlanetBeing- I actually like crafting vulnerabilities. It depends on what constraints you are under.
Comex- The return oriented stuff is interesting, but the actual making the website is boring. Even it can be awesome at the end.
Chpwn- It is pretty awesome.
Comex- Yeah, you are going to like it
Is there a way to get FaceTime working on a cellular network?
Chpwn- We haven’t taken a look at this yet, but we know the creator of 3g unrestrictor is definitely interested in that. It should be up soon after the jailbreak is out. I am not sure how good the quality would be.
Q-Do you ever get annoyed by people who are constantly bug you about a jailbreak? To me, it would be neat at first, because you have a massive amount of people who are relying on you (and other, of course) for the jailbreak, but maybe it would get annoying after a while.
PlanetBeing- It is simple enough to ignore the too bothersome people. My point is if I could help them and release the jailbreak, it would be done. We release as soon as its done. There is no way to release faster.
Comex- It is mostly the same thing for me.
Q-What do you think about iPhone app piracy?
Comex- I hate it. It gives a really bad name to jailbreaking. It poisons stuff.
PlanetBeing- I have the same idea. Apple should make it harder to pirate iPhone applications.
Chpwn- I sort of started out with the iPhone piracy stuff, but once I released paid apps of my own that I am now against it. I understand why some people do it.
Q-Will Frash be coming to anything other than the iPad?
Comex- I haven’t had the time to work on Frash lately. There is no reason that it doesn’t work on those devices.
Anthony- Isn’t there anyway that some one could get it publically.
Comex- Yes there its on Kangaroos repo.
Chpwn- Distributing frash itself is hard because it comes from the Android market.
Q-Have you thought about quitting the iPhone scene?
PlanetBeing- Idk, the iPhone_dev team are my friends, it’d be like quitting my friends.
Q-When will the iPhone 4/iOS 4.x jailbreak be released?
Comex- You have to ask Saurik if he’s done with that bootstrap yet. It is pretty close to done.
PlanetBeing- The unlock is done.
Chpwn- There has to be a lot of testing done.
Comex- Just a few days ago there was a big screw up with the jailbreak.
NO RELEASE DATE HAS BEEN SAID
Thanks for reading. Sorry for not getting everything word for word. I do not have any speech to text software so this was all transcribed by hands.