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On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.
 
Don't think the usage time as was calculated and displayed in iOS versions prior to 12 is the same as the screen on and off times in iOS 12 (that and/or there are some issues with how it all gets tracked in iOS 12 so far).
 
Don't think the usage time as was calculated and displayed in iOS versions prior to 12 is the same as the screen on and off times in iOS 12 (that and/or there are some issues with how it all gets tracked in iOS 12 so far).

If your setup was right, usage time never increased when the phone was not in use.

Or at least very little.

It certainly didn’t double your usage.

So 10 hrs back then shouldn’t be 5 hrs now.
 
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On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.
Not sure about how much the screen times have gone down but over time your battery degrades and doesn’t last as long as it did when you first got the device. That’s not planned obsolescence. That’s the way batteries work.
 
Not sure about how much the screen times have gone down but over time your battery degrades and doesn’t last as long as it did when you first got the device. That’s not planned obsolescence. That’s the way batteries work.

It’s still at 97%. That’s not really tangible degradation at all.
 
On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.

Based off your thread title, I would be highly interested in reading _your_ interpretation of what ‘Planned obsolescence’ is, especially Related to battery degradation.
 
Don't pay any attention to the battery stats. I know loads of people who's battery was at 92% and the phone's were almost inoperable as they were so slow. A new battery and they were as good as new.

In short, the battery technology dictates how badly your device performs, although I do think that Apple ensures that older devices (anything older than an iPhone 7) do not play nicely with newer versions of iOS on purpose.
 
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It’s still at 97%. That’s not really tangible degradation at all.

Capacity isn't the only measure of battery performance. That number reflects the battery's ability to store energy. But there are other factors, such as internal resistance (ability to deliver current), and self-discharge (which reflects mechanical integrity). A battery may be able to store a charge, but it might not be able to deliver peak output. Or perhaps it can't hold on to that capacity effectively.

Personal anecdote: my original iPhone 7 battery was at 94% capacity, but the performance was crap. Had to keep the phone on low power mode all of the time, because if I didn't, I could actually watch the charge percentage drop. And even on LPM I could only make it a few hours before I had to plug in. Got the battery replaced last week, and it's like night and day. Haven't touched LPM since then, and if I'm careful, I can make through an entire day. Clearly, my old battery was degraded, even though the capacity % seemed pretty good.

tl;dr - I wouldn't assume your battery is necessarily in good working order solely because the capacity percentage is close to 100.
 
On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.
I call BS, because my old X (now my wife's) has the same battery life with iOS 12 (at least, not noticeably different) as it did on 11. Maybe you are using new / a different mix of apps that have different battery demands?
 
Sounds about right. We have two SE’s at home. The first one with a one year old battery and iOS 11 gets about 7 hours screen on time. The second one had a new battery installed 1 month ago. 3.5 hours usage time on iOS 12.1. They probably had to reduce the power optimizations and let the cpu run at full clock speed for longer periods in iOS 12 to achieve their promise of increased fluidity and responsiveness.
 
Is that why many with such older devices are finding iOS 12 to be quite good?

My 6s definitely runs better and battery life is comparable to IOS 11 so I’m not sure what this nonsense is about either. Mine came on 11 so I can’t compare to earlier versions though. IOS 13 ought to be interesting.
 
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On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.

It’s still at 97%. That’s not really tangible degradation at all.

Here are my thoughts and things I have noticed. First of all I had iPhone 7 before and I did not notice different operating time when upgraded from IOS 11 to IOS 12. Then I bought X just couple of weeks ago and I have been monitoring battery life because it looks like I need to charge it much more often than previous phone.
Also another family member has the same models, so I have something to compare with.

In short I think there is huge variation between batteries used in the same models, even based on battery capacity monitoring they all appear excellent.

For example my X came out of the box with 2782mAh battery (nominal is 2716mAh), but as soon as after first charge it lowered couple tens. Another X came out of the box with 2884mAh battery (so about the same) but after first time charging it did increase to around 2800mAh. Also difference between the two was that mine came out of the box with pretty empty battery (around 1/3ish) while that other was around 3/4's. So obviously mine did lose quite a bit charge while sitting in box.

Anyway things I have noticed between the two new phones is that mine need to be charged pretty much daily while other one goes easily 2-3 days. Another peculiarity between the two is that even they appear to have similar battery usage when doing some test, in the end there is big difference in how often they need to be charged. I list three different situations.
1. Like when I have been testing them several times by surfing on the internet with Safari for certain amount of time with same screen brightness they have usually both got the same result, about 10-14% per hour. There was couple times when mine did during that test drop suddenly 2-3 at the time while that other always goes down by 1% at the time, but I cannot recreate that thing with my phone when I try it intentionally and most of the time I get the same result on both. So based on this they are equal.

2. When leaving them on for night say 8-9 hours when they are not touched even once, they usually result both 5% battery use during that time. Sounds again normal between these two but that is not good compared to 7's since it was about same but those have smaller battery (screen do not explain difference when it is not in use during that time).
Anyway, based on this both new phones equal.

3. My phone very often does that when it has not been used and I pick it up, drops 2-3% pretty fast. Like overnight it dropped 5% but as soon as I pick it up it goes down 1%, then within a minute another 1% and then stabilizes during under first 5 minutes by dropping maybe 1% more (so total 3%). After that is seems to drop 1% after every 5-6% during use. But that another X usually does not drop in the beginning like that and most of the times I tried it, it did drop first 1% after few minutes and then again with rate of 1% every 5-6 minutes during use.
So in this they are different and I think this explains why mine need charging more often.

Again these are my initial findings and based on battery usage times mine has been used approximately 3 hours a day during past 10 days and that another 2 hours a day during past 10 days, so mine gets more use but still when you consider how often they need charged is so different, and I guess that third example above may cause the difference.

With my previous 7 I got easily 2-3 days between charges but with somewhat less use (new device gets more attention).

So my conclusion is that when battery meter capacity report or more detailed report (like iMazing or Coconut Battery) shows any degradation, situation is much worse in real life. As seen many times peoples reporting battery problems with even well over 90% battery capacity (based on monitoring sw) do not work well and operating times are short.
As far as I have understood 80% battery capacity means battery is EOL and it definitely does not mean battery still has 80% operating time of the new one, neither does anything above that have any relation to actual operating time.
 
Here are my thoughts and things I have noticed. First of all I had iPhone 7 before and I did not notice different operating time when upgraded from IOS 11 to IOS 12. Then I bought X just couple of weeks ago and I have been monitoring battery life because it looks like I need to charge it much more often than previous phone.
Also another family member has the same models, so I have something to compare with.

In short I think there is huge variation between batteries used in the same models, even based on battery capacity monitoring they all appear excellent.

For example my X came out of the box with 2782mAh battery (nominal is 2716mAh), but as soon as after first charge it lowered couple tens. Another X came out of the box with 2884mAh battery (so about the same) but after first time charging it did increase to around 2800mAh. Also difference between the two was that mine came out of the box with pretty empty battery (around 1/3ish) while that other was around 3/4's. So obviously mine did lose quite a bit charge while sitting in box.

Anyway things I have noticed between the two new phones is that mine need to be charged pretty much daily while other one goes easily 2-3 days. Another peculiarity between the two is that even they appear to have similar battery usage when doing some test, in the end there is big difference in how often they need to be charged. I list three different situations.
1. Like when I have been testing them several times by surfing on the internet with Safari for certain amount of time with same screen brightness they have usually both got the same result, about 10-14% per hour. There was couple times when mine did during that test drop suddenly 2-3 at the time while that other always goes down by 1% at the time, but I cannot recreate that thing with my phone when I try it intentionally and most of the time I get the same result on both. So based on this they are equal.

2. When leaving them on for night say 8-9 hours when they are not touched even once, they usually result both 5% battery use during that time. Sounds again normal between these two but that is not good compared to 7's since it was about same but those have smaller battery (screen do not explain difference when it is not in use during that time).
Anyway, based on this both new phones equal.

3. My phone very often does that when it has not been used and I pick it up, drops 2-3% pretty fast. Like overnight it dropped 5% but as soon as I pick it up it goes down 1%, then within a minute another 1% and then stabilizes during under first 5 minutes by dropping maybe 1% more (so total 3%). After that is seems to drop 1% after every 5-6% during use. But that another X usually does not drop in the beginning like that and most of the times I tried it, it did drop first 1% after few minutes and then again with rate of 1% every 5-6 minutes during use.
So in this they are different and I think this explains why mine need charging more often.

Again these are my initial findings and based on battery usage times mine has been used approximately 3 hours a day during past 10 days and that another 2 hours a day during past 10 days, so mine gets more use but still when you consider how often they need charged is so different, and I guess that third example above may cause the difference.

With my previous 7 I got easily 2-3 days between charges but with somewhat less use (new device gets more attention).

So my conclusion is that when battery meter capacity report or more detailed report (like iMazing or Coconut Battery) shows any degradation, situation is much worse in real life. As seen many times peoples reporting battery problems with even well over 90% battery capacity (based on monitoring sw) do not work well and operating times are short.
As far as I have understood 80% battery capacity means battery is EOL and it definitely does not mean battery still has 80% operating time of the new one, neither does anything above that have any relation to actual operating time.

Thanks so much for your detailed response.

The third point seems to be the case.

Earlier it wasn’t the case when I got my X. Now that’s the case.
 
Thanks so much for your detailed response.

The third point seems to be the case.

Earlier it wasn’t the case when I got my X. Now that’s the case.
So yours does the same as mine in third point and it was not like that when it was new? I guess that is then very strong reason what is happening here. Sad thing is that mine is still new but there is likely no way to get it replaced under warranty since it is well over 80%. Also that $29 battery replacement program is ending soon, and honestly I hate the idea of bringing brand new phone to be cracked open at this point.
 
So yours does the same as mine in third point? I guess that is then very strong reason what is happening here.

When I got my X that wasn’t the case. Now it is. Do you think changing the battery will help? It’s at 97% after 220 cycles.
 
When I got my X that wasn’t the case. Now it is. Do you think changing the battery will help? It’s at 97% after 220 cycles.
Good question. I guess it could be worth to try with current price if you don't mind it being cracked open and hear what the result was. Of course no guarantee that would work but thinking this and comparing to another X we have here, it does not do that all the time like mine, so something is different between them and I strongly suspect the battery is that since there is minor but obvious difference when looking detailed info of them based on monitoring sw.
 
In my opinion situation is quite the opposite. I think even smallest degradation in them probably means something is wrong or battery is weak. If battery can hold its charge well under load it does not do sudden voltage drops which usually is the parameter used to determine condition, then situation is better.
 
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