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iPhone X Planned obsolescence done subtly!

whohasaquestion said:
My SE old battery lasted longer on iOS 10 than the newly replaced battery on iOS 12.
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You should realize that iOS 12 is loaded with more features than iOS 10 which requires more processing power. Providing the iOS with more battery capacity doesn't reduce the power requirements. So, I wouldn't call it Planned Obsolescence in your case.
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FeliApple said:
Why do these posts keep coming up? So I have the XS and I update it to iOS 13 as soon as it comes out. This happens. You will tell me to buy the new version? This is either ironic, or blatant trolling. You cannot be serious.
Obviously, you will not be able to explain why my 6s has great battery on iOS 9, why my 7+ is getting 12 hours on iOS 10, or why my iPad Pro 9.7 is getting 14 hours on iOS 9. Not new hardware, no iOS updates, perfect battery life.
These posts are already vexing when people are on older devices, because they're misguided, but this one is on another league.
[doublepost=1545219521][/doublepost]As usual, iOS updates decrease battery life. iOS 12 is no exception, unfortunately.
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Yeah and new iOS updates mean more functionality that newer processors are able to perform more effectively than older processors. Also, partly because they focus most of the optimization for the newer devices compared to older devices.
If you run iOS 6 on an iPhone 7 or X I'm sure it'd last days as those versions don't involve as much functionality.

This itself doesn't prove any malicious intent from Apple.
 
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Knight3 said:
Yeah and new iOS updates mean more functionality that newer processors are able to perform more effectively than older processors. Also, partly because they focus most of the optimization for the newer devices compared to older devices.
If you run iOS 6 on an iPhone 7 or X I'm sure it'd last days as those versions don't involve as much functionality.

This itself doesn't prove any malicious intent from Apple.
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He suggested to upgrade an iPhone X. In iOS's entire history, barring specific exceptions (iOS 11 and 12, curiously. iOS 7 as well), first iOS updates were comparable to initial versions. There's no historical data so far that says that the first updates are inevitably harmful. Suggesting to upgrade the second-to-last model is ludicrous.
I have always said the same: Apple's malicious intent cannot be definitively ascertained; yet, Apple's lack of optimisation is evident, as you say. In my opinion, that is abhorrent and unacceptable. Throw a little effort. Make your devices better. Don't cripple them with iOS updates. You have to launch an iOS version every two years instead of yearly? Do so. But please, stop crippling every single device.
I keep every device in its original iOS version, so I can conclude - with constant interaction with updated devices - that iOS updates are harmful. Irrespective of the reason: whether it is by lack of optimisation or malicious intent, the end result is the same.
 
Knowlege Bomb said:
What is your reason for not charging overnight while you sleep? I've seen many members that do the same and am always curious about the thinking behind it.
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Simply because my charging station for all my devices is in another room and I want the phone in my bedroom at night. No special phone related reason. I don’t use my phone much in the evening (if I’m home)so I plug it in around dinner time and unplug for bed.
 
FeliApple said:
There's no historical data so far that says that the first updates are inevitably harmful.
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You may not have been following the complaints on the forums right. After every update since the dawn of time, people have complained about taking a hit on their battery life and that how they never had an issue with the prior version of iOS. This happens for every iOS update. That'd be your historical data.
 
Knight3 said:
You may not have been following the complaints on the forums right. After every update since the dawn of time, people have complained about taking a hit on their battery life and that how they never had an issue with the prior version of iOS. This happens for every iOS update. That'd be your historical data.
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And at the same time many of those threads will have people saying they aren't noticing anything different. That's not to say that there isn't something happening sometimes to some devices, but it is to say that simply going by the existence of complaints on online forums isn't necessarily something that will say much one way or another in many cases.
 
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C DM said:
And at the same time many of those threads will have people saying they aren't noticing anything different. That's not to say that there isn't something happening sometimes to some devices, but it is to say that simply going by the existence of complaints on online forums isn't necessarily something that will say much one way or another in many cases.
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Precisely my point.
 
Knight3 said:
You may not have been following the complaints on the forums right. After every update since the dawn of time, people have complained about taking a hit on their battery life and that how they never had an issue with the prior version of iOS. This happens for every iOS update. That'd be your historical data.
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Yes, but there's a greater consensus on stability in the first iOS versions. Take my devices (6s, 9.7 Pro): I have them on iOS 9, but the general consensus was that iOS 10 was largely fine as an update. I did not say they were flawless. I just said, that generally, initial updates seem to be fine overall; meanwhile, second and subsequent updates are generally the target of unrelenting - and undeniably valid - complaints and issues.
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C DM said:
And at the same time many of those threads will have people saying they aren't noticing anything different. That's not to say that there isn't something happening sometimes to some devices, but it is to say that simply going by the existence of complaints on online forums isn't necessarily something that will say much one way or another in many cases.
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I disagree. Complaints are much more ubiquitous - and I have seen them myself, in a myriad of devices - beginning with the second iOS version.
I repeat - I have seen those issues myself. I have tested battery life and performance of so many devices that I can't even count them. Every single one that was updated more than one time had serious issues, mainly in battery life. At a lower degree (at least on 64-bit devices) performance.
Updates to the immediately posterior update after launch don't seem to produce as many issues.
 
FeliApple said:
Yes, but there's a greater consensus on stability in the first iOS versions. Take my devices (6s, 9.7 Pro): I have them on iOS 9, but the general consensus was that iOS 10 was largely fine as an update. I did not say they were flawless. I just said, that generally, initial updates seem to be fine overall; meanwhile, second and subsequent updates are generally the target of unrelenting - and undeniably valid - complaints and issues.
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I disagree. Complaints are much more ubiquitous - and I have seen them myself, in a myriad of devices - beginning with the second iOS version.
I repeat - I have seen those issues myself. I have tested battery life and performance of so many devices that I can't even count them. Every single one that was updated more than one time had serious issues, mainly in battery life. At a lower degree (at least on 64-bit devices) performance.
Updates to the immediately posterior update after launch don't seem to produce as many issues.
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This is probably where we would disagree. I've seen more complaints about the first major update than the subsequent versions on the forums. But come next year, the cycle repeats all over again with the last X.3 being the best and flawless while the Y.0 ruined the battery on older devices and that it's Planned Obsolescence to steal your money.
 
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Knight3 said:
This is probably where we would disagree. I've seen more complaints about the first major update than the subsequent versions on the forums. But come next year, the cycle repeats all over again with the last X.3 being the best and flawless while the Y.0 ruined the battery on older devices and that it's Planned Obsolescence to steal your money.
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I have not seen battery life improvements in .3 versions. At most, performance is stabilised. Yes, I think performance improves with .3 (I don't think it reaches original versions if the update is the second one or later, but that's another issue). Yet, battery life seems unchanged. A slight improvement here and there but it doesn't match initial versions. An iPhone 7 I tried showed no significant variations in the entire scope of iOS 11, for example. Every screenshot I have seen was the same.
 
My 7+ runs like it’s brand new especially after getting the battery replaced.

Some of you need to remove that tin foil hat
 
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Ebok said:
My 7+ runs like it’s brand new especially after getting the battery replaced.

Some of you need to remove that tin foil hat
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This forum would be boring if they did that. These threads can be quite entertaining. :)
 
Ebok said:
you clearly don't understand how a few things work

1. software/code
2. science behind batteries
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I understand both. Batteries degrade. Then why devices with new batteries which were updated get poorer results than devices with degraded batteries and original iOS versions?
 
FeliApple said:
Yes, code is hard to optimise. As iOS 12 shows in the performance department, it isn't impossible. It takes time and resources, that's all.
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Which is why the older devices are taking a hit on the battery life as they're not sufficiently capable of handling the load effectively. You can't defy the laws of Physics.
 
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FeliApple said:
Yes, code is hard to optimise. As iOS 12 shows in the performance department, it isn't impossible. It takes time and resources, that's all.
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So why is apple gonna take time and resources away from their current flagship?

Be logical
 
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Batteries degrade overtime.
And iOS gets upgraded overtime.

I wonder if there's a connection between degraded battery and poor battery life.
 
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FeliApple said:
Customer satisfaction.
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Should I presume my previous post as quoted below sufficiently answered your questions then?

Knight3 said:
Which is why the older devices are taking a hit on the battery life as they're not sufficiently capable of handling the load effectively. You can't defy the laws of Physics.
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Ploki said:
Batteries degrade overtime.
And iOS gets upgraded overtime.

I wonder if there's a connection between degraded battery and poor battery life.
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A degraded battery does deliver worse battery life compared to a newer battery.
 
Knight3 said:
A degraded battery does deliver worse battery life compared to a newer battery.
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Wow! Could that be why iOS12 released one year after he bought his phone has worse battery life?! :eek:

ok enough with the sarcasm; my iphone 6S got a fresh battery (Apple certified service, original apple battery) in January, and its capacity now, after roughly a year, is 70% of the original capacity, and it dies at 10% if its cold outside.

Pretty sure that's not iOS12's fault, but crappy battery's fault.

It's also not planned obsolescence but a 40$ visit to the apple store.
 
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Ploki said:
Wow! Could that be why iOS12 released one year after he bought his phone has worse battery life?! :eek:

ok enough with the sarcasm; my iphone 6S got a fresh battery (Apple certified service, original apple battery) in January, and its capacity now, after roughly a year, is 70% of the original capacity, and it dies at 10% if its cold outside.

Pretty sure that's not iOS12's fault, but crappy battery's fault.

It's also not planned obsolescence but a 40$ visit to the apple store.
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It's hard to hit 70% original capacity in a year unless you're charging 2-3 times a day every day which means you're a super heavy user.
Also, the battery becomes useless after it hits 80%.
Also, colder temperatures tend to impact the battery negatively even if the battery is brand new due to the impact on the ion movement in the battery. Shutdowns are expected when operating in extreme temperatures.
 
aakshey said:
On iOS 11.3 or earlier, my X used to give 4 hrs of screen time from 100% to 60%. With 8-10 hrs of total screen usage.

As of iOS 12 (all versions), my X (earlier 100% battery initially on iOS 12, now 97% battery) comes down to 60% in about 2.5 hrs of screen usage with a total screen usage of 5-7 hrs with similar usage.

My 7 met the same fate as iOS 10/11 progressed. Initially 8+ hrs and later barely 6. With a near fresh battery.

My mom’s 7 started with 9 hrs screen usage and is now down to 4ish with a 100% battery on iOS 12.

Many of these devices have been DFU restored and started clean without a backup.

Happens across every single iPhone.

Will happen to XS series as the year progresses. And so on.
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I can confirm this
 
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