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Yes, that is very much understood. However, my past two iPhones felt like they were older than they were after just about nine months. Meanwhile my 2012 rMBP is running Mac OS Sierra and feels as smooth as most modern Macs. I feel like they're not optimizing the interface as well as they could.

You should send them your resume'. Maybe you can help them with the optimization. Good luck.
 
You should send them your resume'. Maybe you can help them with the optimization. Good luck.

Just like with the AirPod design compromises, I'm not saying that I could do better. But I'll be happy if iOS 11 feels as smooth as iOS 10 until I upgrade to iPhone 8.
 
The fact that Apple disables the ability to go back to a previous version so quickly (2-4 weeks) to me screams planned obsolescence. Their excuse might be security but that's BS to me.

If iOS10 feels sluggish when typing for example, why can't I go back to iOS9 buttery smooth lag-free experience?

Apple wants people to feel sluggishness and blocks downgrading so they buy a new iPhone.
While you might not care for reasons like security or fragmentation or something else of that sort it doesn't make them any less reasonable and realistic reasons. Thus there isn't proof of some other conspiracy in play given that realistic and reasonable explanations exist and can very well apply.
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True. The thing is there's pretty significant improvement in ARM CPU/GPUs with every iteration that by the time you reach 3 or 4 firmware updates, new hardware is sometimes already 8-16x as fast as your 3-4 year old phone.

That said, I wish iOS would stop nagging you to update. It's getting hard to stay on older firmware when the device is asking you to update every few hours.
tvOS profile can help with not being prompted to upgrade.
 
People want more and more functions and more and more of everything - but they want it to work on slower processors with less memory etc.

Gee this is only the 1,000,000,000 thread on someone who wants his 5 year old phone to work as well as a brand new one.

Close this thread
 
People want more and more functions and more and more of everything - but they want it to work on slower processors with less memory etc.

Gee this is only the 1,000,000,000 thread on someone who wants his 5 year old phone to work as well as a brand new one.

Close this thread

The tread starter had a 7, 6s, 6. I noticed a difference between my 6+ and 7+ (not within apps, but simply navigating around the OS). Hardly 5 year old phones...
 
Apple does this for iPhones because they want higher upgrade frequency. On Mac, it is a different story. We are not forced to update and we can even turn off the notification for it. Some people are still on software that is old like Snow Leopard and these Macs still run like a dream.

iPhones = 2-3 year life expectancy
Macs = 5-10 year life expectancy

I still see PowerBooks still running. The key is the ability to replace parts in notebooks. MacBooks also have more charge cycles (1000 vs 500). While iPhones are the most popular products because everyone needs a smartphone and it is subsidized for cheaper access, they are more frequently disposal than iPads and Macs.

All companies are guilty of this in the smartphone industry. Once the luster fades on this and people start keeping their phones for much longer than usual, I hope Apple gives love back to real desktop computing. Smartphones have been this decade's trendy gimmicks. Waste of time arguing about each phone's virtues.
 
While you might not care for reasons like security or fragmentation or something else of that sort it doesn't make them any less reasonable and realistic reasons. Thus there isn't proof of some other conspiracy in play given that realistic and reasonable explanations exist and can very well apply.

I do care, but for example there is nothing realistic that shows Apple must stop signing an older iOS version after 2-4 weeks. That's a completely arbitrary and user-hostile choice. Apple could extend user choice a few more months for example, that way people could try the new OS for a while and still have the option to downgrade.
 
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The tread starter had a 7, 6s, 6. I noticed a difference between my 6+ and 7+ (not within apps, but simply navigating around the OS). Hardly 5 year old phones...
Even 2 years in the mobile world is a long time. Comparing 7+ to 6+ there's a good amount of difference in CPU and GPU power, along with additional 2 GB RAM, and other chipset differences.
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I do care, but for example there is nothing realistic that shows Apple must stop signing an older iOS version after 2-4 weeks. That's a completely arbitrary and user-hostile choice. Apple could extend user choice a few more months for example, that way people could try the new OS for a while and still have the option to downgrade.
They certainly could, and I'd be all for it too, but what I'm saying is that doesn't really demonstrate, let alone prove, some sort of planned obsolescence ploy that is specifically behind it.
 
What's amazing about these frequent accusations of deliberate obsolescence is reality. I use a iPad 2 on a daily basis. I have considered upgrading every year and dismissed it because the damn thing just keeps working. Yeah, it's a little slower at some things, like browsing and facecrap; but it's as smooth as day one for video, Netflix, audio and light gaming.

There is NO planned obsolescence of these devices. It's just the reality of how computers work. A new OS uses more resources.
 
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Even 2 years in the mobile world is a long time. Comparing 7+ to 6+ there's a good amount of difference in CPU and GPU power, along with additional 2 GB RAM, and other chipset differences.
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They certainly could, and I'd be all for it too, but what I'm saying is that doesn't really demonstrate, let alone prove, some sort of planned obsolescence ploy that is specifically behind it.

In the absence of a legitimate reason and seeing in context a company that continues to surprise with all the questionable profit schemes, like 16gb iphones for almost a decade while everyone was at 32gb, or soldering ram in mac minis for 0 reason other than to milk the userbase, and countless other examples, it's hard to give Apple the benefit of doubt anymore.
 
People want more and more functions and more and more of everything - but they want it to work on slower processors with less memory etc.

Gee this is only the 1,000,000,000 thread on someone who wants his 5 year old phone to work as well as a brand new one.

Close this thread

Have you even been reading this thread?
 
In the absence of a legitimate reason and seeing in context a company that continues to surprise with all the questionable profit schemes, like 16gb iphones for almost a decade while everyone was at 32gb, or soldering ram in mac minis for 0 reason other than to milk the userbase, and countless other examples, it's hard to give Apple the benefit of doubt anymore.
Security, fragmentation, support, are all fairly reasonable, rational, and legitimate reasons. You not feeling that they are is certainly fine, it just doesn't change them being that nevertheless.
 
Security, fragmentation, support, are all fairly reasonable, rational, and legitimate reasons. You not feeling that they are is certainly fine, it just doesn't change them being that nevertheless.

Just wanted to note that I personally am not debating the merit of any of that. There are a lot of underlying background processes few users are really aware of.
 
Security, fragmentation, support, are all fairly reasonable, rational, and legitimate reasons. You not feeling that they are is certainly fine, it just doesn't change them being that nevertheless.

It's not about my feeling, I just questioned your claim about security and you couldn't come up with a justification. Perhaps these reasons you cite are not as reasonable and rational as you think?
 
"Obsolescence" of mobile phones is slowing down.

Given that an iPhone 5 is still very usable in 2016, I'd say that we can likely expect new phones to have lifetimes of 5 or more years. After a certain point, CPUs become powerful enough.

I bought a Windows notebook in 2011, and it still works just fine more than 5 years later. I used to buy a new computer every 3 years, but I expect to get at least 8 years out of my current system.
 
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It's not about my feeling, I just questioned your claim about security and you couldn't come up with a justification. Perhaps these reasons you cite are not as reasonable and rational as you think?
Doesn't seem like any claim was questioned. Nor does it seem like those things could be ruled out as reasonable (or that it would therefore imply, let alone confirm, that there's something more "sinister" in play).
 
Doesn't seem like anything was questioned. Nor does it seem like those things could be ruled out as reasonable.

A lot of things are doubtful indeed. Like your fragmentation claim, I haven't seen any evidence that it might be an issue if downgrades were allowed. The biggest example of fragmentation is Android and that's almost exclusively due to carrier or manufacturer fault, which has nothing to do with allowing downgrades.
 
A lot of things are doubtful indeed. Like your fragmentation claim, I haven't seen any evidence that it might be an issue if downgrades were allowed. The biggest example of fragmentation is Android and that's almost exclusively due to carrier or manufacturer fault, which has nothing to do with allowing downgrades.
If downgrades are available more people could be on older/different versions which means more fragmentation. All fairly straightforward. That doesn't have to be the reason or a large part of it, but it is a reasonable one. Whether or not a particular reason might play a big role still doesn't change anything as far as some sort of confirmation or proof of it all being for "sinister" reasons.
 
That's how computers work. As the OS gets more sophisticated, it uses more resources and the computer gets slower with age. Happens with all computers, smart phones and tablets. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Aloha

Yet my 2011 Lenovo laptop works great with Win 10. Faster than many entry level laptops. Try using a 5 year old iPhone on the latest IOS. It's not fine, it's not even close to acceptable. It's entirely possible to create an IOS that still runs smooth on older devices with the option to turn off cpu intensive options.

It's the same as durable goods. Make a good too durable you won't see repeat customers for a long while. Make your durable goods last just long enough that they stop saying 'didn't I just get a new washing machine?' and they will buy another.
 
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Yet my 2011 Lenovo laptop works fine with Win 10. Try using a 5 year old iPhone on the latest IOS. It's not fine, it's not even close to acceptable. It's entirely possible to create an IOS that still runs smooth on older devices with the option to turn off cpu intensive options.
Most of Intel's recent chip improvements center around power efficiency and new features rather than raw processing power. Besides, 2011 was what, Sandy Bridge? That's still darned good and x86 CPUs haven't really improved significantly in performance since then.

Meanwhile, going from A5 to A10 is like going from Pentium 3/4 to Ivy Bridge/Haswell. Starting with the Core 2 Duo, we've already had an excess of CPU power for normal tasks that the best upgrade you can do for a computer is install an SSD. Even the A8X, raw performance is comparable to just a lowly Atom. It wasn't until the A9X that it matched i3-level performance.

The changes that smartphones have experienced in the past 5 years is more similar to going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 7 era rather than from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
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Meh, pass. Don't have a Mac and don't intend to JB.
 
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Most of Intel's recent chip improvements center around power efficiency and new features rather than raw processing power. Besides, 2011 was what, Sandy Bridge? That's still darned good and x86 CPUs haven't really improved significantly in performance since then.

Meanwhile, going from A5 to A10 is like going from Pentium 3/4 to Ivy Bridge/Haswell. Starting with the Core 2 Duo, we've already had an excess of CPU power for normal tasks that the best upgrade you can do for a computer is install an SSD. Even the A8X, raw performance is comparable to just a lowly Atom. It wasn't until the A9X that it matched i3-level performance.

The changes that smartphones have experienced in the past 5 years is more similar to going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 7 era rather than from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
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Meh, pass. Don't have a Mac and don't intend to JB.
No jailbreak or mac involved at all, just an install of a profile on an iOS device itself. Another thread that discusses this without extraneous information: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-update.2023604/
 
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