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Please consider not allowing anti-mask threads here at MR
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If the implication is that ad revenue is the catalyst for fair debate and not doing the right thing, which is debate for honest debates sake...I think the boat was missed.
I get it’s a fine line to walk. Though shouldn’t this entire thread be in PRSI? Asking for censorship of an active political topic is certainly itself political in nature. Stating that there is or was ambiguity helps to show why censorship is a bad idea.
^^^^ Wow. The thread is turning into something like a set of Matryoshka dolls.
This is not simple.
I'm confident that this suggested approach will be considered in proportion to its merits.
I'm not here to get into a big discussion. I saw Anti-Masking and thought this was a thread about revealing the true identities of forum users, like doxxing. I did not know that there are anti-masking threads on MR because I mainly checked out of PRSI recently due to all the nonsense. Do I believe people should wear masks due to the pandemic. Sure. It is a good idea. It helps. However, am I foolish enough to believe they are that effective, especially some of the bikini masks, thin masks, and those worn below the nose or over large bushy beards, no. But it is a worthwhile precaution. And likely helps slow the spread. But I also do believe that people are entitled to their own opinions and to debate those.
While it would be racist and low class. Sure it should be allowed. And if you support it you have made a choice that may destroy your life.
Of course it’s against the rules here. So it matters not.
Macrumors has its priorities, and banning mask threads apparently is not among them. Whether this decision will affect your perception of their practices is ultimately up to you.
The problem with sarcasm is that people will take you literally. The tactic assumes a certain sophistication of mind.
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Why would you even do that? First of all, it's censorship of the bad kind, second it would allow people to not face other point of views. Third, no matter how you put it, there is no conclusive evidence about their widespread effectiveness against Covid-19; now, I am not mentioning this because I want to start a discussion on masks [you can see my rants about those who don't wear a mask in the Community forum], but because it's hard to accept a censorship proposal based on evidence that is not conclusive; it would be even more difficult if we start looking at surgical v N95 v clothing masks and so on because some are not effective at all).
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Which is totally doable and legal (and ethical) as long as,
a) there is a fire or,
b) you honestly believe there is a fire based on reasonable elements.
However, that has nothing to do with speech. Speech was never meant as the use of vocal chords, it's meant as the transfer of an idea/concept from one person to another.
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MR approaches Twitter like behaviors in many many ways. Unfortunately interpretation of the rules is subjective, not objective. It must be the rose gold colored lenses.
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Who actually wants to wear a mask in real life. I don’t. I wear one because I am told to. Not because I want to or like it. Making statements like you did might also befall a label on you. You should be careful with your dangerous ideas.
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I can understand not allowing Free Speech is a concern. However, not wearing a mask actively threatens the health and life of others. It is not about opinion. This will probably end up being a law or heavily enforced just like seatbelts. I mean, seatbelts only affect you right, so why is it the law to force you to wear one?
And this is actually worse than seatbelts, because you can have it without knowing it since you don't have symptoms, and you are spreading it without knowing because you have no symptoms. Then they spread it to 10 more people. EACH of those spread to 10 more, and so on and so on.
There will always be conspiracy theories out there, for anything. But it has been proven that wearing a mask helps this pandemic. Until has been stated by professionals, I think we should just all wear masks. I don't care what some random YouTuber says about this topic. I care what the health industry states and what the government states what health professionals around the world state. This is not just a United States issue, it is everywhere in the world.
I went to Target the other day and a young women demanded to be let inside without a mask. This is just out of hand at the moment. Remember "No shirt, no shoes no service"? We need to get back to that. If no business allows someone without a mask to enter at this time, people's view will change.
I am all for free speech. But when it start impacting health of the entire population, then things need to be considered differently. And there is a limit to free speech.
FYI, yelling Fire in a theater or bomb on a plane is not free speech. Its a call to action.
Maybe a compromise? How about having a single thread that discusses masks?
Edit: It might also be beneficial, even from Macrumors perspective unless it is already stated somewhere, that a big disclaimer should be visible that Macrumors is not a place for seeking medical advice. People who get talked into being anti-mask and have problems might come for Macrumors for false information.
Having a discussion is fine, but Macrumors should not be liable if someone changes you to be anti-mask and something happens.
And this is actually worse than seatbelts, because you can have it without knowing it since you don't have symptoms, and you are spreading it without knowing because you have no symptoms. Then they spread it to 10 more people. EACH of those spread to 10 more, and so on and so on.
There will always be conspiracy theories out there, for anything. But it has been proven that wearing a mask helps this pandemic. Until has been stated by professionals, I think we should just all wear masks. I don't care what some random YouTuber says about this topic. I care what the health industry states and what the government states what health professionals around the world state. This is not just a United States issue, it is everywhere in the world.
I went to Target the other day and a young women demanded to be let inside without a mask. This is just out of hand at the moment. Remember "No shirt, no shoes no service"? We need to get back to that. If no business allows someone without a mask to enter at this time, people's view will change.
I am all for free speech. But when it start impacting health of the entire population, then things need to be considered differently. And there is a limit to free speech.
FYI, yelling Fire in a theater or bomb on a plane is not free speech. Its a call to action.
Maybe a compromise? How about having a single thread that discusses masks?
Edit: It might also be beneficial, even from Macrumors perspective unless it is already stated somewhere, that a big disclaimer should be visible that Macrumors is not a place for seeking medical advice. People who get talked into being anti-mask and have problems might come for Macrumors for false information.
Having a discussion is fine, but Macrumors should not be liable if someone changes you to be anti-mask and something happens.
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I dont think there is a need for “compromise” like you suggest. I think the compromise already exists, we have the freedom to debate whether we are pro or anti mask, but when it comes down to it you “should” wear one. I don’t like wearing one, I HATE having to wear one to go places, but I WEAR ONE because to me is the right thing to do.
I think that’s where the compromise already exists and we dont need to censor people or push all into one thread or anything else. But that’s just my opinion and you are 100% entitled to yours as well.
Right. Because that’s the real issue here. Let’s get into the semantics of definition in order to not discuss the situation.
Both Polities and Religions have contributed to the deaths of millions, so PRSI harboring bad advice concerning corona virus would seem to be par for the course.
So did, does, and will do money. Yet I don’t think you refuse them and live like a pauper (neither do I!!).
Should we also stop talking about financial/economics matters?
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I wasn’t talking about PRSI, potentially dangerous (mis)information or anything of the like. I was talking about censorship.
Also because the death rate from COVID is approx the same as from auto accidents.
If someone is getting their medical advice from MacRumors, there's something more wrong with them than COVID! Seriously, is anyone foolish enough to come to a Mac forum (or any forum) and make life-and-death decisions based on what's posted there by completely anonymous, unvetted strangers? Censoring viewpoints on every forum on the web won't make a microscopic change in the outcome of this pandemic. Your time is better spent sharing your views with family, friends and co-workers.
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