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Even social media companies the depend on views, especially of viral content have decided that spreading false information = removal

"A video featuring a group of doctors making false and dubious claims related to the coronavirus was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube after going viral online Monday."

"Twitter temporarily restricts Donald Trump Jr.'s account after he posts video claiming masks are unnecessary"
 
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Even social media companies the depend on views, especially of viral content have decided that spreading false information = removal

"A video featuring a group of doctors making false and dubious claims related to the coronavirus was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube after going viral online Monday."

"Twitter temporarily restricts Donald Trump Jr.'s account after he posts video claiming masks are unnecessary"

Difference being this is a forum where replies go hand in hand with posts. Twitter and Facebook offer a totally different process to a totally different audience.
 
Even social media companies the depend on views, especially of viral content have decided that spreading false information = removal

"A video featuring a group of doctors making false and dubious claims related to the coronavirus was removed by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube after going viral online Monday."

"Twitter temporarily restricts Donald Trump Jr.'s account after he posts video claiming masks are unnecessary"
Yet MR is actively allowing this video to be posted in PRSI, this tells you all you need to know about their stance on this issue.
 
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It's also the interpretation of Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube. I would call that pretty compelling precedent.
Neither facebook, twitter or youtube are online internet discussion forums. As quickly as material is posted, that is how quick a response to the material is, in a following post. Also, posting of certain material can be construed to be educational rather than intentionally misleading.

But all in all I agree with the sentiment above. A person who comes to an anonymous online internet forum where there is no method of guaranteeing certification, seeking life and death decisions on covid-19, should be reevaluating their stance and/or life.

If covid is taken out of the equation, the absurdity on the face of it, if someone has pancreatic cancer and wants to seek medical advice on how to proceed with treatment...would anyone think this person is cogent?
 
Yet MR is actively allowing this video to be posted in PRSI, this tells you all you need to know about their stance on this issue.

I would have thought that Stella Immanuel would be akin to red meat for PRSI folk, primarily on the basis of her unusual religious beliefs.
 
This is not a topic that should be up for debate and while I get it has turned political and there are differing opinions. The spread of misinformation can cost lives, please consider adding this to your rules.

Whilst I think they're stupid - banning a topic of discussion because you simply disagree is IMHO wrong, no matter what side of the fence you're on.
 
I think that would take censorship too far.

I do appreciate that they didn't ban political discussion here like every other website does lol. Like political discussion should only happen somewhere else lol.

OTOH, every time a mildly controversial topic gets pushed off to PRSI for our resident .. erm.. "alternate facts" people to bully everyone else away from it.. I get sad. XD
 
Definitely not a topic that should be up for debate. Free speech is all well and good until it hurts people, often deliberately so.

So you're saying free speech is good so long as it doesn't make you uncomfortable?

Sorry, but you can't have free speech without it being "free". Something is either "free" or it isn't.

It's either "free" or it's simply a discussion regarding the size of the cage.

Yes, "freedom" sometimes means dealing with things you personally find uncomfortable. Deal with it, like an adult.
 
So you're saying free speech is good so long as it doesn't make you uncomfortable?

Sorry, but you can't have free speech without it being "free". Something is either "free" or it isn't.

It's either "free" or it's simply a discussion regarding the size of the cage.

Yes, "freedom" sometimes means dealing with things you personally find uncomfortable. Deal with it, like an adult.
There's something that can make someone uncomfortable and there's something that can be just be dangerously false.
 
I do appreciate that they didn't ban political discussion here like every other website does lol. Like political discussion should only happen somewhere else lol.

OTOH, every time a mildly controversial topic gets pushed off to PRSI for our resident .. erm.. "alternate facts" people to bully everyone else away from it.. I get sad. XD
PRSI is just more productive than Community Discussion, both in terms of lines of dialogue written and audience engagement metrics.
 
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Then rebut, with evidence and educate the ill informed.

Sweeping it under the rug just breeds ignorance.
Rebutting with evidence something that can be specifically meant to be there simply to spread something that's (dangerously) false often won't do much as reality will just be ignored since that isn't what's being sought or considered.

As the saying goes, a lie can travel half way around the world before truth puts on its boots.
 
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Rebutting with evidence something that can be specifically meant to be there simply to spread something that's (dangerously) false often won't do much as reality will just be ignored since that isn't what's being sought or considered.

Sure, this is the cost of freedom of speech. As above...

Either you want freedom of speech, or you want something that has restrictions on it, that isn't freedom of speech.
 
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This would ensure people with dangerous ideas remain throughly convinced of them.
You can argue with them until you are blue in the face, but they will never listen. The one good thing about it is if there are neutrals watching, and enough counter the idiots, those neutrals hopefully see how many are against the misinformation and don't listen.
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That begs the question: how do you differentiate between an opinion and a harmful falsehood?

This isn't something MR can solve. Heck FB and Twitter and Reddit and pretty much the entire internet is struggling with this question. I don't think you can differentiate between the two, and thus the difference is irrelevant.

We all agree that falsely yelling "FIRE!" in a movie theater is dangerous, not protected speech, should be censored, and has not led to a slippery slope of many bad things. It's a harmful falsehood.

Does saying "In my opinion, this theater is on FIRE" make it any better? Classifying it as an opinion doesn't make it any less dangerous.

I feel the mask thing is the same. Saying "masks don't work" and "in my opinion, masks don't work" are equally bad. The former is an falsehood, the latter is an opinion; they're both equally harmful.

Some have weaponized this idea that "opinions" are automatically protected speech no matter what. But it's bull. The content/context matters, whether it's in the form of an opinion or not.
Exactly. Whether or not you have pineapple on pizza doesn't kill or permanently damage anyone.
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It probably just serves as a gutter for the forum! :) Like a navel that gathers up all the lint. If PRSI didn't exist, you'd probably have the same discussions on the news/technology threads.
Yes, and at least then you know what you are getting into if you go to PRSI, and I just ignore what doesn't interest me. No one forces anyone to go there. Can't you even totally hide the section somehow?
 
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I get it’s a fine line to walk. Though shouldn’t this entire thread be in PRSI? Asking for censorship of an active political topic is certainly itself political in nature. Stating that there is or was ambiguity helps to show why censorship is a bad idea.
Exactly what I thought too. Why is this thread not in PRSI?
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Probably a poor analogy.

In NH, adults are not required by law to wear a seatbelt.
Yes, even if you were the only one in the car. If the initial accident knocks you unconscious because you didn't have your seatbelt on, you can't even attempt to avoid hitting other people or cars with people.
 
So did, does, and will do money. Yet I don’t think you refuse them and live like a pauper (neither do I!!).
Should we also stop talking about financial/economics matters?
But money isn't the issue in itself. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil aka greed. Same as most tools, they are neutral and it's the users that are good or evil to varying degrees.
 
But money isn't the issue in itself. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil aka greed. Same as most tools, they are neutral and it's the users that are good or evil to varying degrees.

The issue is humanity, not money or love or money or politics or religion. People kill for love. People kill for a team. People kill for politics. People kill for the defense of honor. People kill for drugs. People even kill for a disagreement on the philosophy of Immanuel Kant!
 
It seems to me that if we want people to make better decisions, we should concentrate on persuading them, not forbidding discussion of the topics on which they are misinformed.

I somewhat agree, but am not sure that such people can be persuaded. I certainly have never seen any. And I have talked to a LOT of people with this mindset all over the internet. People who are against mask wearing seem to be very dug in. They just don’t care. I don’t really understand it, but it is what it is.
 
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