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here are the 5 reasons why u should go to mac despite of the huge difference in price.

1. VISTA
2.VISTA
3.VISTA
4.VISTA
5.VISTA

i'm a SONY afficianado, all my PCs before where VAIO but when they started shipping wth VISTA last yr.. i said goodbyE! talking PC lingo now, trust me you'll be better with an XP than VISTA if you choose to stick with PC.
 
I'm a dad (with a college bound daughter), and I own/use a mac. I'm sorry if some people find this offensive, but I too find myself questioning the Apple premium.

On second thought that is valid point....

Again, it really comes down to if Mac OS X is worth the premium to you or not end of story.
 
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Imagine you get the choice of Peyton Manning to quarterback your team or Drew Brees to be QB. Both are great QBs (I'm a Charger fan, I've witnessed both very well), but also depending on what you are looking for, chances would even remain high that you are looking to sign Peyton Manning.
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peyton manning and tom brady would be a better personification of Mac and PC ha ha ha! question is, who is the Mac QB?:D
 
I've seen lots of people mention OS X vs. Vista, and preference for one over the other, but no one has mentioned a huge intangible.

For me, OS X means simplicity. Sure my WinXP box operates fine, but that's because I run regular maintenance -- defrags, spyware check, adware check, *virus check*, occasional reinstallation of the OS itself (which includes backups, reinstalling favourite apps), etc. This adds up to a huge amount of my time that has been sunk into keeping my PC operating at a good performance level for my needs.

The beauty of OS X is that I don't need to waste my time doing any of this, especially defragging, virus checking, and wiping the drive and reinstalling the OS. It's just not necessary on a Mac. The system takes care of most of this, and a virus program is virtually pointless.

I don't know about you, but my time is important to me, and I don't get paid for keeping my personal system happy and healthy. I get paid for being productive, whether from working or the reward of enjoying my free time (and being away from my computer). Because of this, I chose to invest a little more money in my Mac laptop (MBP) to save a LOT of time down the road.

I use my old PC desktop everyday, and will continue to do so until it dies or is completely out-of-date. When it's gone, it too will be replaced by a Mac.
 
I also have to chime in regarding the OS X difference. I don't know much about Vista having used it very little (though I have plenty of experience with XP and before), but I can tell you that OS X is totally modern, and Apple is pretty dedicated to its continued success. In my research group, nearly all of us have MBPs to do our work. This work includes coding, data analysis, etc. etc. The tools are available on both platforms, but the Unix core makes our jobs entirely easier. It's quite well integrated. Additionally OS X supports developers in ways that are very powerful and sensible -- enabling developers to create great apps for OS X that are not available on Windows. Yep, I said it. Running all my Unix software natively on a Mac is something that cannot quite be done on Win, and apps like TextMate, BibDesk, Skim, etc. etc. are ones whose Windows-type indirect analogues would reduce the quality of my daily work.

However, if your Dell can run Linux, it's very close, but good luck having the non-issue of hardware support Mac users enjoy, at the cost of choice in some cases. It's certainly been much more pleasant not dealing with drivers and having very good hardware on Mac since 2000, versus hunting for drivers and watching out for I/O conflicts and the like -- or trying to homebrew drivers in Linux (worse than Windows in many regards for the end user).
 
I'm a dad (with a college bound daughter), and I own/use a mac. I'm sorry if some people find this offensive, but I too find myself questioning the Apple premium.

Agreed. My dad can't find a reason and while I love my Mac products, it's very hard to justify even to myself for a MBP.
 
buy whatever you want, it's not our jobs to justify you anything. macs have been more expensive (and will always be) than PC for ages. why? because it has superior design and operating system. got the money? go mac if not, get a PC and be happy with it. the end

p.s. it's not just about the specs, it's how well everything (software/hardware) work together. macs are best at doing that. vista is a different story.

I absolutely agree with what you said.

I mean, you wrote this long winded debate between the Dell and the Mac, and to me, it seems like the Dell would be the right computer for you, because it seems as if you are having a tough time justifying the purchase of a MBP.
 
get a macbook


get a macbook, the one with the superdrive. that will be around 1299 with a $100 discount if you use the education option when you purchase it.
you said you were ok with XP..the main competitor of VISTA isn't really Leopard.
it's XP.
for people like me who's been using both platforms, i'd stick with XP.
so if ever you decide to go dell, make sure u " upgrade" to XP ( yup, they called it an upgrade! Duhh!)

 
For the difference in dollars, consider most importantly that the Mac computers can run BOTH Windows and OSX legally and easily.

For the difference in price, consider that you are essentially gaining two computers in one case.


Only the MBP will offer you the ability to access the entire Windows software catalog (natively or through emulation) as well as offering OSX related software.

This is the biggest selling point to consider, in my opinion.

-joedy
 
If you don't mind either way if you use a Mac or PC, you seriously need to save Pops the $600! I've used both Windows and OSX in my life- Microsoft the first 20 years of my life (way back from MS DOS) and OSX from Graphic Design college until present. I chose OSX after using it for the first time. If you have used both and don't care either way, your Dad is a lucky man. Save him the $$$$.
 
The OS isn't the only difference between PCs and Macs. Macs just have more expensive parts in them than Walmart specials. iSuppli did a tear-down of iMac, and the cost of parts was near $900. That doesn't include cost of assembly, packaging, shipping, advertising, nor R&D.

Here's their findings for the 2006 Intel iMacs- not sure if they have done one for the aluminum Imac yet, or MB Pro.

iSuppli dissects Apple's first Intel-based iMac

Jan 20, 2006
Apple Computer Inc.'s first desktop PC to be based on an Intel Corp.-manufactured microprocessor carries a Bill of Materials (BOM) cost of $873, according to preliminary data from iSuppli Corp.'s Teardown Analysis Service.

The new Apple iMac desktop PC, introduced by Apple head Steve Jobs at last week's MacWorld Expo, is based on Intel's Core Duo microprocessor. This marks a major departure for Apple, which has never used an Intel-made microprocessor in its PCs, instead opting to employ PowerPC chips made by IBM and Freescale Inc. over the past decade. With the introduction of the new iMac, and the Intel-based MacBook Pro notebook PC, Apple has commenced a planned transition of all its notebook, desktop and server PCs to the Intel architecture.

iSuppli's teardown of the new iMac revealed that Apple also is using Intel's mobile 945 core-logic chipset to support the Core Duo microprocessor. iSuppli estimates the cost of the microprocessor is $265, while the two-device chipset carries a cost of $45. Together, the Intel microprocessor and Mobile 945 chipset account for 35 percent of the new iMac's total BOM, according to Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and senior analyst for iSuppli.

The Intel chips in the iMac are designed for use in notebook PCs, rather than desktops. While this may seem surprising, iSuppli believes Apple's decision to use Intel's notebook-oriented solution in its desktop iMac was a logical move.

"Users want quiet and powerful machines," said Matthew Wilkins, senior analyst for compute platforms research for iSuppli. "Intel is very focused on designing microprocessors that deliver the maximum performance without generating excessive heat or consuming huge amounts of power. For now, the Intel Core Duo fits that bill perfectly."

The development of an Intel-based iMac offers benefits for both Apple and Intel, Wilkins added.

From an Intel perspective, the Core Duo is the company's first dual-core product designed for notebook PCs, and also is part of the company's new Viiv digital entertainment initiative.

From an Apple perspective, the Intel microprocessor allows the company to launch its first dual-core desktop and notebook products, because previously only its high-end PowerMac G5 computers were available with dual-core microprocessors.

Above the $873 BOM, the iMac carries a $25 manufacturing and test cost, adding up to an $898 cost. This cost estimate does not account for other items included in the box with the iMac, including the keyboard, the mouse and documentation. Apple is selling the low-end version of the Intel-based iMac analyzed by iSuppli for a suggested retail price of $1,299.

http://www.emsnow.com/newsarchives/archivedetails.cfm?ID=11606
 
I have read previous post on XPS versus and MBP but found it unsatifactory as the forum seemed to go typical Mac vs PC in some way(like Boeing vs Airbus thread in aviation sites)

What car should I buy. I need a new one. The one I have now is a '93 model with 165,000 miles. Please, please help me I can't decide....

Would kind of help if I told you a little about how I might use the car. Maybe I have a wife and four kids. Maybe I'd siingle and have a 50 mile daily commute. Maybe I work At home.

I always wonder if these people who need to ask what kind of a PC to buy even need a PC at all. They never seem to say what they DO with the computer. OK you need a computer, But why... Tell us.

Are you editing HD format video? Do you like Apple's "Aperture". Is the machine mainly used for web surfing? For playing DVDs? Taking Notes in school and for controlling instruments in a lab? Maybe you are into video games? Do you spend much time building web pages with Adobe Dreamweaver? The fact that you are concidering a MBP says you have to professional level use for a computer what is that?

Can we make it a "skicky" post maybe that the price of asking "What computer should i buy?" is a 500 word easy on what you do with computers. Or to put this another way -- How can anyone expect to get informed advice if they don't provide any information?
 
Oh wait, your dad is paying for your computer?

I would absolutely not get the MBP. Give your dad a break from paying the premium for a MBP...

A few years ago, I was in the same bind (debating between an iBook and PowerBook G4) and went with the iBook because it was not only cheaper, but did the bare basics of what I needed. I think I got it for $1100 (while the PowerBooks were around $1600), and I've had it for three years, so it's worked well.

If I were you, I'd get the MacBook. But the Dell should also be up for your consideration. Understand the jump between MB and MBP is like $600., and that stuff doesn't grow on trees, either.

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If you don't mind either way if you use a Mac or PC, you seriously need to save Pops the $600! I've used both Windows and OSX in my life- Microsoft the first 20 years of my life (way back from MS DOS) and OSX from Graphic Design college until present. I chose OSX after using it for the first time. If you have used both and don't care either way, your Dad is a lucky man. Save him the $$$$.

Umm, yeah whoops, this is exactly what I said. haha
 
here are the 5 reasons why u should go to mac despite of the huge difference in price.

1. VISTA
2.VISTA
3.VISTA
4.VISTA
5.VISTA

i'm a SONY afficianado, all my PCs before where VAIO but when they started shipping wth VISTA last yr.. i said goodbyE! talking PC lingo now, trust me you'll be better with an XP than VISTA if you choose to stick with PC.

Jesus christ just reformat and install XP. You make it sound like its a VISTA-ONLY EXCLUSIVE product now
 
I always wonder if these people who need to ask what kind of a PC to buy even need a PC at all. They never seem to say what they DO with the computer. OK you need a computer, But why... Tell us.

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Can we make it a "s[t]icky" post maybe that the price of asking "What computer should i buy?" is a 500 word easy on what you do with computers. Or to put this another way -- How can anyone expect to get informed advice if they don't provide any information?
:cool:

Strongly agree. Computer recommendations are impossible (or worthless) without knowing the buyer's needs.
 
all pc laptops now are released with vista, you cant' ask them to have an XP inside before they sell it to you, bottom line is, you have to buy an XPwhich is an addtional cost.
and not everyone wants to that..

This is so wrong. There are at least a dozen different companies you can order online from and specify XP instead of Vista as the preloaded operating system. And since we're talking about Dell, they happen to be one of them.
 
This is so wrong. There are at least a dozen different companies you can order online from and specify XP instead of Vista as the preloaded operating system. And since we're talking about Dell, they happen to be one of them.

That's not what a Dell rep told me when I called today. The XPS M1530 (and M1330, as opposed to the 17" gaming monstrosity which can be had with XP) are only available with Vista.
 
That's not what a Dell rep told me when I called today. The XPS M1530 (and M1330, as opposed to the 17" gaming monstrosity which can be had with XP) are only available with Vista.

The 1530 is Vista only, but that doesn't mean you can't get any laptops with XP instead of Vista. There are plenty you can config with XP, whether at Dell or at other companies online.
 
The 1530 is Vista only, but that doesn't mean you can't get any laptops with XP instead of Vista. There are plenty you can config with XP, whether at Dell or at other companies online.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have seen XP is typically an option only on business laptops (for Dell that would be the Latitude and the Precision). Consumer laptops (with the exception of expensive gaming laptops) are exclusively Vista. At least as far as the major players are concerned (Dell, HP, Lenovo).
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I have seen XP is typically an option only on business laptops (for Dell that would be the Latitude and the Precision). Consumer laptops (with the exception of expensive gaming laptops) are exclusively Vista. At least as far as the major players are concerned (Dell, HP, Lenovo).

No, you're quite right. The default OS for new Windows laptops across the board is Vista. I'm just saying it's inaccurate to state you can't order a laptop and ask for XP on it instead of Vista. It's still an option available for Windows users, and will be for at least a year longer. It's true, though, that it will become an increasingly rare option on laptops as Vista matures (service packs, etc) and becomes the "normal" Windows OS.
 
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