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Please remove my access to the PRSI section permanently
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Precisely. There is nothing to be gained by having it.
Yes, glad you point out the obvious problem here.
It's still not a big deal until people see stuff they don't like.
Sigh... It's all just pixels.
The fix is elegant though. Well done @arn.
I'm not even a regular participant in the PRIS (or whatever) forum, but I've read plenty of interesting and thought provoking posts from many posters. Some I see eye to eye with, some I don't. Sometimes I find I am only partially aligned with another poster, and it varies by issue.
I haven't requested that any single poster (or even any single post), be edited, redacted, restricted, censored, or banned. It's not because nothing offends me, but it's because I feel that me being offended by something doesn't overrule someone else's right to say something. And sure, we can say "within reason", but that's obviously another rat hole.
What you're suggesting, subtly at first, but then aggressively trying to push your crusade, is that you're offended by a portion (or perhaps all) of the content in that particular forum, and so nobody should be able to discuss these issues. You. Nobody. That's what you're suggesting.
You're perfectly entitled to not feel there is any value, and you can also feel offended. But to try to stomp your feet on other people's (largely civil) discussion is absurd. And dressing it up as as a request to personally be banned... Why not just come out and frame it correctly the first time? You could avoid the forum. Right? I don''t look at the Apple Collector's forum, but I'm not asking for it to be banned. How crazy would that be? Right?
So maybe just chill out, avoid the forum, and stick to the parts you like. Or hey, just be open about your crusade.
I haven't requested that any single poster (or even any single post), be edited, redacted, restricted, censored, or banned. It's not because nothing offends me, but it's because I feel that me being offended by something doesn't overrule someone else's right to say something. And sure, we can say "within reason", but that's obviously another rat hole.
What you're suggesting, subtly at first, but then aggressively trying to push your crusade, is that you're offended by a portion (or perhaps all) of the content in that particular forum, and so nobody should be able to discuss these issues. You. Nobody. That's what you're suggesting.
You're perfectly entitled to not feel there is any value, and you can also feel offended. But to try to stomp your feet on other people's (largely civil) discussion is absurd. And dressing it up as as a request to personally be banned... Why not just come out and frame it correctly the first time? You could avoid the forum. Right? I don''t look at the Apple Collector's forum, but I'm not asking for it to be banned. How crazy would that be? Right?
So maybe just chill out, avoid the forum, and stick to the parts you like. Or hey, just be open about your crusade.
LOL bc look at you in posts 28 through 35 inclusive in the thread on Bernie Sanders...
But hey. If you're leaving... thanks for freeing up the echo chamber.
The ultimate irony is that since you've asked to be banned from the PRSI forum, you've posted in the PRSI forum.
You haven't posted in the Apple Collector forum.
You haven't posted in the Apple Collector forum.
I can give you some tips for how to get banned.
Hah, we probably all could, considering how many times we've all had to read new provisions on how that subforum is moderated.
But not sure the OP here needs the tips, sounds more like he's asking for an intervention in a budding addiction to the delights of PRSI as a sort of modern Garden of Eden...Maybe the OP is on to something. I spend way too much time on PRSI. Reminds me of a meme I saw recently:Hah, we probably all could, considering how many times we've all had to read new provisions on how that subforum is moderated.
"Life is too short so make sure you spend as much time as possible arguing with strangers on the Internet"
I do like PRSI because when I'm working on tedious jobs like handsewing what seems like miles of binding onto a queen size quilt, I can break frequently and project my annoyance into some handy political thread for a few minutes, meanwhile feeling pleasantly challenged by the task of having to try not to get banned.
It beats thinking about how many more miles of binding have to be sewn onto the quilting project du jour, and also helps cut down on my overconsumption of coffee or tea. I enjoy politics and find the clash of ideas interesting... but the perceived need for moderation in there now and then, maybe not so much lol. That's ok though, when I tire of it then that handsewing project starts looking like fun.
I have no problem with PRSI, per se... and while I have my opinions and leanings on both politics and religion, I just don't see a fit on a tech forum. I am not easily offended, and certainly have room in my life for opinions contrary to my own... I would just prefer to not be bothered with that stuff here, on an Apple-centric forum. Those topics are not why I come here.
If/when I feel the need or desire to discuss such topics, I have an outlet for that elsewhere.
My bottom line? Thanks to @arn for the work-around that makes it easy to ignore PRSI topics in general.
If/when I feel the need or desire to discuss such topics, I have an outlet for that elsewhere.
My bottom line? Thanks to @arn for the work-around that makes it easy to ignore PRSI topics in general.
It's not a bad place if people recognize that they aren't going to change someone's opinion. I think that trying to get the last word in on an argument leads to most bans
.I actually come here for PRSI and then check out the Mac forums when I'm done.
Without PRSI, I doubt that I would be on this site nearly as often.
Yea I've been doing this long enough to understand it's an act of beating your head against the wall. Anyone spending time on a forum like that isn't changing their mind on most issues. I'm guilty of it myself.It's not a bad place if people recognize that they aren't going to change someone's opinion. I think that trying to get the last word in on an argument leads to most bans
I actually come here for PRSI and then check out the Mac forums when I'm done.
Without PRSI, I doubt that I would be on this site nearly as often.
Excellent post.
Yes, that was somewhat ironical given the topic of this thread and the tone of the posts written by the OP.
Well said.
Leaving aside the narrow definition of - and understanding politics one finds on some of the threads in PRSI (that "politics" is a discussion of Dems vs Reps and so on), it is not possible to separate tech and politics in our world and lives today.
Companies such as Apple spill into what is discussed in the socio-economic-political arena with their tax issues and labour policies; more pertinently, and saliently, they (and other such companies, - children of the millennium, companies such as Google, Amazon, Uber and so on) - many of them - are wealthier, stronger and more powerful than many national governments and the issue of who (other than their shareholders) they may be accountable to - in terms of regulation, and indeed, taxation, will be issues that occupy much political bandwidth across the globe in coming years.
These days, it is not possible to discuss the profound impact of tech on our lives and societies without acknowledging that these matters - will also, inevitably - come with a political dimension.
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We now have the option to remove PRSI while we didn’t have it before. That’s a win for me, since I have zero interest in that forum. Those that want access still have it, this is a win-win situation.
You know, I have zero interest in some of the tech elements of a tech forum, but I have never ignored anyone, nor have I asked that something be put in place so that I do not - and cannot - see what does not much interest me (Apple iPhone forums at the time of a new release, for example).
But, each to their own.
The main focus of this forum is Apple products and technology, not politics. Again I don’t understand why anyone would be upset about being given the OPTION to ignore it. We do have an ignore function that works pretty well and I would have been fine continuing to use that if the solution in this thread wasn’t possible.
The politics section is just the same people fighting with each other using the same arguments and the same people liking each other’s posts. If you enjoy that, you have the option to participate. Those of us that don’t, can choose to never see it.
Given the behemoth that Apple has become and the fact that its CEO converses with state leaders, how on earth do you expect Apple products and technology to be neatly divorced from politics?
Privacy settings on iPhones - politics
Expansion into India - politics
Manufacture of Apple phones and computers - politics
If you want a purely technical forum, there is always iFixit.
As @weckart - below - has pointed out, politics - the study of power and relationships of power - cannot be excluded from any examination of tech precisely because tech has become so powerful in recent decades, a degree of power and wealth that far exceeds and surpasses those wielded by many national governments.
The world of tech is so influential, so transformational in how societies communicate - including, increasingly, how money is transferred - and so wealthy - and yet so unaccountable - that they cannot be ignored, and, increasingly, political discussions include how they can be regulated in a way that is not destructive to the host society.
If tech influences government policy, then, that is a political matter, and is very relevant when discussing both tech and politics.
Very well said.
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This would be the correct sentence following your logic.
Yes and fat people should just stop eating so much and drug addicts should just quit taking drugs.