Not to mention, if you do a search and then revive an old thread with a new response, then you get a group of people (the same ones?) unhappy because you resurrected a dead thread.
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Please stop it with MRoogle...
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The people that advocate searching find it snotty that you can't help yourself before asking for help. It doesn't seem that unreasonable to ask that people try and solve their own problems first, yeah?
How is linking to the original (or already existing) discussions not "contributing" ? You seem to have a interpretation of what is a "contribution" and what is not. Searching for existing threads is in the rules; perhaps we should advocate a narrow interpretation of that and start deleting duplicate threads as they pop up?
Not to mention, if you do a search and then revive an old thread with a new response, then you get a group of people (the same ones?) unhappy because you resurrected a dead thread.
Only if the thread revive is completely irrelevant, which is usually the case.
What people like the OP and the other posters fail to understand is that those sane forum members who don't actually care about the letter of the law are actually trying to help. A good portion of the new membership that starts threads that get barraged with Mroogle links are asking questions in order to solve a problem and/or get advice. Why waste time rehashing an already discussed issue instead of just linking to numerous threads with the answer alraedy given? It saves the OP time and probable frustration, gets the problem solved, and hopefully results in Mroogle use in the future.
Hang on a second. You've got a bunch of mods, long-term members and ex-mods suggesting that perhaps there is a better or certainly a more rounded and courteous approach that takes a more global view of the forum membership's needs and potentially pays dividends down the line... and yet, you're effectively telling them that they fail to understand what this forum is about, when many of us have seen how this historically has played out?
Do you feel your time is wasted in discussion? If so, aren't you placing your needs above others?
Straight links to Mroogle searches are not in the scope of what I was referring to.
No, as I was not addressing long-standing members, mods, ex-mods, etc. They are not the problem.
Personally I never waste my time. I spend my time exactly how I want to spend it at any given moment, and if I didn't want to do whatever I was doing I would stop. There is no such thing as "wasting" time.
MR is a HUGE community, as we all know. Searching for some things might result in 0 or 1000 threads, but it's also possible that about say 10 threads come up, but none has a decent explanation of the issue. You can't revive the topic, because forum police will complain. You also can't post a new thread because they will also complain, and instead of helping you, they will just call you lazy and link MRoogle.
Also, linking to a previous thread with a possible solution or answer to the question IS contributing. However, as I see it, simply saying: Search! or MRoogle it! Is NOT. Either answer the OP's question, point to a thread or leave. Plain and simple. The OP didn't want to search, or perhaps he didn't understand the other threads completely or even was just lazy, get over it, if you're not going to help, at least don't bother people.
And no, I don't post threads. I have only created one. I prefer to use the IRC for issues just to avoid being harassed by the "thread police".
Also, linking to a previous thread with a possible solution or answer to the question IS contributing. However, as I see it, simply saying: Search! or MRoogle it! Is NOT. Either answer the OP's question, point to a thread or leave. Plain and simple. The OP didn't want to search, or perhaps he didn't understand the other threads completely or even was just lazy, get over it, if you're not going to help, at least don't bother people.
And no, I don't post threads. I have only created one. I prefer to use the IRC for issues just to avoid being harassed by the "thread police".
I find it amusing that ****** is blocked but MRoogle is not. I see both of them on the same playing field: they are both being used to point someone to search.
That said, I don't think it is wrong to include a note about using MRoogle when an answer is given. It's those posts that only suggest MRoogle that fit my description above.
That said, I don't think it is wrong to include a note about using MRoogle when an answer is given. It's those posts that only suggest MRoogle that fit my description above.
I can count on one hand the number of times I've personally asked for help on these forums, versus the countless times I've provided answers. So I'm not speaking on behalf of myself, I'm talking about the people who come here (having likely already searched to find it) for help and get a bunch of pasted links in response.
I'm not against advocating that people search, I'm against that being the only response given. I don't see why people can't help address a question, then show new posters the way to find other answers themselves.
I don't really think ****** should have been blocked but it's not as handy a tool as MRoogle anyway. The main point is how people use these things. Snarky "search first" posts are always going to happen regardless of what searches are available. The problem is the posters, not their recommended tools. Bad attitudes and the internet get on like a house on fire.
I agree. ****** is often used as a smart a$$ response directing people to ask the google. Many posters who direct users to use MRoogle tend to come off in a similar fashion.
I'm not advocating that we allow ****** because it can be inflammatory and does not add to the dialog - kind of like MRoogle
As I've said, I have in recent days/weeks directed some posters to search, and I try to provide them with links to help them on their way. I only recommend searching when its really really a basic question, like how do I install windows on a mac. Other then that I try to provide the solutions directly.