fisherking
macrumors G5
wait; so, are you on a mac now? did you in fact switch? and when did that happen? or are you lost, and looking for an MS forum?... 😉
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Paul v. Hindenburg
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fisherking
macrumors G5
careful! saying positive things about big sur (including the GUI) brings out ppl like 'big ron'... who doesn't like anything (& doesn't want you to like anything either). look for the red-faced grimace in the lower left corner of your post....
hvfsl
macrumors 68000
For me Big Slur is currently the worse OS update I have ever done. I only upgraded to use Netflix 4K, but it has an annoying bug where my 4K monitor won't go above 1080p 30hz (and still isn't fixed in 12.3 beta).
Then another issue which isn't a bug, but a 'feature'. Apple massively changed the way input devices work, which means manufacturers have to rewrite their software (e.g. logitech) so they work with Big Slur. Unfortunately logitech have decided this is too much effort for older devices.
I am going to give Apple another week or 2 to sort the first issue, otherwise it is back to Catalina. Where I will probably have to stay until the next OS.
Then another issue which isn't a bug, but a 'feature'. Apple massively changed the way input devices work, which means manufacturers have to rewrite their software (e.g. logitech) so they work with Big Slur. Unfortunately logitech have decided this is too much effort for older devices.
I am going to give Apple another week or 2 to sort the first issue, otherwise it is back to Catalina. Where I will probably have to stay until the next OS.
fisherking
macrumors G5
bugs need to be addressed by apple. but 3rd-party developers that choose not to update drivers for older devices... that's on them. either way, you do what matters most to you; still, with the next OS, that logitech issue will return.
TBoneMac
macrumors 6502
Um, but macOS hasn’t really changed that much since Like Mavericks or El Capitan. And before that it hadn’t really changed much since Lion or so. And before that it hadn’t really changed a lot since OS X. And really, macOS hasn’t really changed that much at all even with Big Sur. I don’t know what you’re complaining about to be honest. Windows updates all the time too, the only reason they aren’t trying to make their OS more modern looking is because they’ve messed up Windows 10 so much that they are afraid to try almost anything with it at this point.
TBoneMac
macrumors 6502
Don’t know what you’re talking about, all my Logitech stuff works fine and my mouse is like 3 years old.
There’s no drivers to update because you don’t even need to install/download drivers for macOS??? You just plug the mouse in and play.
TBoneMac
macrumors 6502
No it‘s not. 11.0 .. the 0 is what we’re referring to not the 11. Catalina was 10.15 an odd number, Big Sur is 10.16 which they decided to call 11.0 finally.
To reply to OP — I disagree, if you don’t want to update then don’t update but sorry, Big Sur is way better than Mojave and Catalina ever were, the only thing Mojave has on Big Sur is that it could run 32-bit apps. Catalina had nothing on Big Sur cause Catalina was mediocre.
Big Sur has improved performance by a long shot, Big Sur Looks more pleasing that’s not an opinion it’s a fact, it looks so modern that it honestly makes windows 10 for example look like it’s from 2010 or earlier. Big Sur is way faster than previous OS from Apple which is not a diss to prior OS but just a stellar upgrade. Safari is faster too. The GPU even works better than before and my CPU is constantly hitting 12-15% higher than “average” for my CPU since the Big Sur update.
Big Sur is Apples best OS update of all time. By the way, not everyone has the issue HVFSL mentioned about your external monitor so maybe you should try to reinstall Big Sur.
Mac Hammer Fan
macrumors 65816
In catalina and big sur some of my mails disappeared. Luckily i have mojave and high sierra on my main computers.
fisherking
macrumors G5
unlikely an OS issue; how did they disappear? in apple mail? from a folder on your mac in mail? or...? so many variables (imap? pop?) etc. but the OSes don't (by default) eat your email.....
Mac Hammer Fan
macrumors 65816
The emails are really lost. I never delete important mails myself. The same settings in apple mail on all my computers.
fisherking
macrumors G5
ok, so... something happened. but again, an OS does not just delete email. anyway, glad you have your email elsewhere, and assuming you're backing everything up.
MisterSavage
macrumors 603
Bazza1
macrumors 65816
Oh, look - another ‘update’ to MacOS Big Sur. Now 11.2.1.
Remember when Apple used to make fun of Microsoft’s once-monthly Patch Tuesday?
Remember when Apple used to make fun of Microsoft’s once-monthly Patch Tuesday?
fisherking
macrumors G5
what's the issue, exactly? you'd rather have a longer period of time between bug fixes & enhancements?
it's one thing to not like apple's yearly OS; but incremental updates benefit everyone...
At least when Apple releases an operating system, it basically works. Unlike Microsoft with windows 10. At least when Apple releases an update, they actually give you an option to do it that actually works, unlike that other company that asks if you want to install the update, you say later and it does it anyway when it wants to. At least Apple cares about user security and privacy unlike android and that other company.... I could continue but I think you get the point, Apple is far superior and it just works.
contacos
macrumors 604
Always blows my mind how many people seem to have problems with their Mac computers. I am still using a MacBook Pro from 2012 which does not even officially support Big Sur and it is running flawless. Maybe I am just lucky. Also the new icons and UI elements are not gonna destroy my work flow. How is a yearly release, that one can even predict, too much? Oh and no one forces you to update
Well, the problem is, that many people DO have problems.
And they have reasons for not to update always to the latest OS.
And these are pretty much left alone, since the annual cycle is too short for Apple to fix bugs in the OS.
Quite simple isn't it?
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Partron22
macrumors 68030
Generally, the 1 year cycle is too fast. But I do like the bug fix updates. It'd be really fine if they fixed the drive visibility bug:
Terminal:
-Ended up backing up, formatting and reloading the volume on this. Been using the code happily for 15 years.
Terminal:
Code:
chflags hidden /Volumes/xxx --works
chflags nohidden /Volumes/xxx -- doesn't workfisherking
macrumors G5
simple? not at all... since you're missing a few things.
every version of the OS has people with problems, this isn't unique to big sur.
no one needs a justification to not update, it's up to the user (unless they need an OS update for an app, for example).
there are incremental updates regularly throughout the year, with bug fixes, enhancements (and, sigh, new bugs).
ALL OSes are a work-in-progress, even when they're 'final versions'.
bunnspecial
macrumors G3
I have long thought the same as the OP about the current release cycle.
In the early days of OS X, updates were on a very fast cycle. 10.1 came about 6 months after 10.0 because 10.0 was such a wreck. Finally, 10.2 settled down to a useable OS and stayed current for a while. Tiger stuck around a LONG time, rode out an architecture transition, and became a wonderfully stable and useable OS. Snow Leopard was the last where we really got that treatment.
As it is now, every version of macOS makes changes to the UI and often deletes features. Right now, even at a deeper level, Apple still seems to be tweaking APFS with every OS release. Unlike HFS+, which was 100% forward and backward compatible from OS 8.1 all the way up to 10.13(yes, I can read a non-encypted HFS+ volume from a recent macOS version in 8.1-it's not the easiest thing in the world from a connectivity standpoint, but as long as you can get them talking it will read) while 10.15 won't read a 10.16 volume.
As it is now, my perception is that it takes 3-4 months to really iron out the kinks in new versions of macOS once they hit general release. Big Sur is still there-there's an update being pushed now(my computer is telling me tonight) that fixes the minor problem of some MBPs not being able to charge their batteries. By the time the release is really polished, the next version is already close at hand if not there.
Yes, you can ride it out on an older version for a while. I tend to only update every 2-3 versions anyway. High Sierra is still a recent high point for me, although Mojave is good also on systems that support it. The problem is now that if you wait out a version, you can feel really "out of place" as you get two OSs worth of UI changes rather than just one. I have...quite a few...computers and always have at least one install of the then-current OS running-or well actually I didn't on Big Sur since I didn't bother to reinstall it after I upgraded the drive in my 2015 MBP-but installing and playing with it is not actually using the OS. Now that I'm on an M1 and have been forced into Big Sur, I'm still a bit lost on some things.
While I'm at it too, I tend to have very specific ways that I set up my computers in terms of how input devices like the trackpad operate(one of my big ones is I don't use natural scrolling-just a hold over from getting into Macs when SL was current and never having a reason to change) plus minor things like my wallpaper. It use to be than an OS update didn't change things like user preferences, and wallpapers also stuck around if you were using something other than the default. Now, every upgrade changes my wallpaper, and Apple seems determined to make me use natural scrolling(I'm waiting for the day it's no longer an option).
Thank goodness on several of my other systems I can still run Mojave and I have yet to encounter anything current that won't work. Mojave lets me keep dashboard, which I use all the time, and also run my 32 bit apps.
In the early days of OS X, updates were on a very fast cycle. 10.1 came about 6 months after 10.0 because 10.0 was such a wreck. Finally, 10.2 settled down to a useable OS and stayed current for a while. Tiger stuck around a LONG time, rode out an architecture transition, and became a wonderfully stable and useable OS. Snow Leopard was the last where we really got that treatment.
As it is now, every version of macOS makes changes to the UI and often deletes features. Right now, even at a deeper level, Apple still seems to be tweaking APFS with every OS release. Unlike HFS+, which was 100% forward and backward compatible from OS 8.1 all the way up to 10.13(yes, I can read a non-encypted HFS+ volume from a recent macOS version in 8.1-it's not the easiest thing in the world from a connectivity standpoint, but as long as you can get them talking it will read) while 10.15 won't read a 10.16 volume.
As it is now, my perception is that it takes 3-4 months to really iron out the kinks in new versions of macOS once they hit general release. Big Sur is still there-there's an update being pushed now(my computer is telling me tonight) that fixes the minor problem of some MBPs not being able to charge their batteries. By the time the release is really polished, the next version is already close at hand if not there.
Yes, you can ride it out on an older version for a while. I tend to only update every 2-3 versions anyway. High Sierra is still a recent high point for me, although Mojave is good also on systems that support it. The problem is now that if you wait out a version, you can feel really "out of place" as you get two OSs worth of UI changes rather than just one. I have...quite a few...computers and always have at least one install of the then-current OS running-or well actually I didn't on Big Sur since I didn't bother to reinstall it after I upgraded the drive in my 2015 MBP-but installing and playing with it is not actually using the OS. Now that I'm on an M1 and have been forced into Big Sur, I'm still a bit lost on some things.
While I'm at it too, I tend to have very specific ways that I set up my computers in terms of how input devices like the trackpad operate(one of my big ones is I don't use natural scrolling-just a hold over from getting into Macs when SL was current and never having a reason to change) plus minor things like my wallpaper. It use to be than an OS update didn't change things like user preferences, and wallpapers also stuck around if you were using something other than the default. Now, every upgrade changes my wallpaper, and Apple seems determined to make me use natural scrolling(I'm waiting for the day it's no longer an option).
Thank goodness on several of my other systems I can still run Mojave and I have yet to encounter anything current that won't work. Mojave lets me keep dashboard, which I use all the time, and also run my 32 bit apps.
How does these things that I "missed" change the fundamental claim "releasing a new version of OS every year does not provide enough time to fix most of the bugs bothering the users"?
You do know that Apple pretty much stops fixing the bugs of the old OSses, when new one is released?
I guess Mojave was so still so broken when Catalina was released that Mojave has had more fixes than other when not the "current OS" anymore. These Security updates have broken a lot of things lately, so they have released a few Supplemental Updates that are not numbered and diasppear and appear mostly without explanation or good enough documentation.
But I'm not running Big Sur, so I'll leave this sub-group now...
fisherking
macrumors G5
apple periodically releases, for example, security updates for older OSes.
also, since you're still missing the point: we get incremental updates that happen over the year to address bugs; it's not like apple releases an OS on a tuesday, then heads to barbados with a bag of weed and the harry potter books for a year, while we wrestle with OS issues...
