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Please try harder Apple, -I just got a dell
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I bought and returned my MBP 2016 after trying to get along with that keyboard for a month.
Now I have a Lenovo X1 Carbon with an utterly amazing keyboard.
Not looking back.
Never again. I'm done.
And I've had Mac since early 90's.
I still have and like my last MB Air, had more than I can remember, and would have upgraded and gotten another Air, it's a 2014, but the MBP was such a disaster that I had to return it and apparently they're not going to make any more Air's. So the Pro was supposed to do it.....no can do though. It sucked too badly.
Now I have a Lenovo X1 Carbon with an utterly amazing keyboard.
Not looking back.
Never again. I'm done.
And I've had Mac since early 90's.
I still have and like my last MB Air, had more than I can remember, and would have upgraded and gotten another Air, it's a 2014, but the MBP was such a disaster that I had to return it and apparently they're not going to make any more Air's. So the Pro was supposed to do it.....no can do though. It sucked too badly.
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Had my dGPU Surface Book since the new 2016 MBP launched; to date it's been one of the best portables I have ever owned, Apple will definitely need to do much better in the 13" class if they want my custom back. Windows 10 has also proved to be solid and reliable, more so than OS X. As stated battery life and keyboard are class leading, as are other aspects of the Surface Book. Microsoft's notebook is helping me to be more productive and flexible and certainly has my attention for the future.
Another interesting premium 2 in 1 is the upcoming Porched Design Book One, although I still prefer the Surface Book due to the implementation of the aspect ration & dGPU, equally potentially a sneak peak to the upcoming Surface Book 2, as I believe Microsoft also collaborated with Porsche Design and Quanta on the Book One.
FWIW 2016 MBP is the first revision of the MBP I have not bought since Apple launched the MBP a decade ago...
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Mac apps just as poor as Windows App Store. Don't think he mentioned dropping IOS. Windows 10 is quite nice now, also learning new things is bad exactly how?
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Don't hit em with facts they don't like that
Don't hit em with facts they don't like that
Some people have completely missed the point of what @NT1440 said, which was to point out that the OP complained about Apple not using a terraced battery, but then bought a machine without a terraced battery. And it has worse battery life--that's a fact.
I don't recall mentioning quality of apps, iOS, or the drawbacks of learning new things. nt sure where you're coming up with this stuff. Did you actually read my post that you quoted?
I use Win10 daily by the way, and your judgement of "quite nice" is most definitely subjective.
Before I post I just want to say that I'm a longtime lurker who registered because I wanted to respond to this thread. I have a 2014 MB Pro, 2015 iMac, iPhone 6S Plus and an iPad Air 2... to go with an Apple TV in living room and bedroom as well as a 2TB 802.11ac Time Capsule.
That being said, I just built a Windows desktop PC. I originally bought the MB Pro for the job because I was constantly traveling... but changed jobs and work more from home now. I bought an iMac 5k because I wanted the same Apple experience on a bigger screen.
Here we are over a year later and I've just tired of the iMac. The fact it doesn't have an SSD stings but overall I've just not been overly impressed and have been thinking of going back to Windows for the first time since Windows 7 was in style. I never used Windows 8 (and didn't miss much I hear) but I have enjoyed Windows 10 on the PC I use at the office.
Anyway... my biggest gripe with Apple now is the cost when compared to a PC with the same hardware. I know, it's always been like that but lately it seems much worse.
Here's what I recently built...
i7 7700k CPU @4.2 ghz (overclockable to 5ghz if you hit the silicon lottery)
280mm liquid CPU cooler
GeForce GTX 1080 8GB GPU
16GB DDR4-3200
MSI Z270 SLI Plus mobo
Samsung 1TB m.2 NVMe SSD (amazingly faster than SATA on file transfers and boots in 10secs)
750W power supply
24" 4k monitor
Windows 10 Home
Price... $2600 to the door. I also added in the Oculus Rift VR headset and Touch controllers for an additional $800. I have lots of room to expand... ram, more SSDs... whatever I need. The PC has destroyed every benchmark I've thrown at it and can do anything I need it to do... everything from gaming to CAD work to video encoding. The VR is just astonishing.
$2600 spent with Apple wouldn't get me anywhere near these specs no matter what machine I bought and that's why I switched.
The niece just started college and I'm sending her my MB Pro and her sister starts next year and she's getting the iMac.
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And she may be as happy with hers as you are with yours. Apple doesn't pretend to make computers that please everyone. What they offer always has been and will remain for a minority who find it worth paying for. This fact is the cause of endless, continuous discussion, and always has been.
Apple's price contributes to why many people like it as well. It is like wine tasting. Studies have show that when a person precives the price of wine to be higher, it tastes better to them. Same with Apple. They have a higher price, a higher "status", and a very impressive brand they have built up for years. It will contribute to the satisfaction of the product.
Even though I could probably buy a Dell for $400 to satisfify most of my work, I never like Dell. Never liked the how the product looked, and it didn't satify me psycologically. Superficial, perhaps, but still it is an aspect that contributes to all products. Increasing the price of a product does increase personal satisfaction. This does not mean that that a product can be utter garbage, but it also means that that product does not necessarily have to be "superior" either.
Even though I could probably buy a Dell for $400 to satisfify most of my work, I never like Dell. Never liked the how the product looked, and it didn't satify me psycologically. Superficial, perhaps, but still it is an aspect that contributes to all products. Increasing the price of a product does increase personal satisfaction. This does not mean that that a product can be utter garbage, but it also means that that product does not necessarily have to be "superior" either.
Of course, there's some of that, but most Apple owners buy despite the price. There are objective differences between Macs and their competitors. It's a subjective thing how much those differences are worth to people.
You know, after skimming 3 whole pages of drama after my post... IGNORING the fact that the O/P is long gone, I gotta say this:
Computer usage is *SO* subjective anyway. Most machines, even those Wally World specials, are more than capable of basic tasks, web browsing, etc. I'd never buy a Dell XPS, but some of the pseudo Alienware Inspirons wouldn't be bad starter gamers + homework machines for a teen.
I've used the first gen SB [just donated it to my father, who won't use it because it's "too much" /facepalm] I've used several SP 3s and 4s, The Blade Stealth 6th gen, Blade 2016 970m, and I've played with a lot of the lower and mid tiered consumer grade craptops on the market. If you can stand the screen, and it doesn't irritate the hell out of you to use, more power to ya.
The thing that Apple will always win over any other competitor [at least to present day] is the overall EXPERIENCE. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE windows, I'm an insider, I do the whole beta windows thing. . .and my desktop is about as overkill as you can get [we're talking 2x GTX 1080s in SLI on an overclocked skylake 6700k with a Z270 motherboard. ONLY 32 gig ram tho]
And as amazing a machine as it is, I use it for gaming and nothing else. I can take my MbP around with me, answer texts on it, videos . . amazing keyboard, ultra fast SSD read times via TB3 [on the rare occasion I need windows]...
I'd rather use the Mac. It's more comfortable, more portable, and when I need to go out on the road it's a LOT more convenient to carry than a desktop + monitor + speakers +Oculus rift gear + etc etc ad nauseam.
And if you feel the same way about your laptop as I do about mine. . that's awesome! Doesn't matter what brand it is, you're happy with it. WHY you feel the need to vilify competition because you wanted an "updated" MbP and then got an updated MbP. . and promptly cried because they updated it .... /shrug.
Apple did what they did. A lot of people like it. You may not, and that's cool. You wanna complain about how "horrible" the new MbP is, I get that it's the internet, where it's all the rage to whine and moan and complain..... but maybe just sit back and say "hey, Windows machines have gotten better.... Apple isn't junk, it's just not the machine for me this generation".
In all fairness tho, I have absolutely zero problems with running 4x TB3 ports. Truth be told, I MUCH prefer it! Replace a few cables for a few devices, keep an adapter on my mouse.... I'm stylin'
Computer usage is *SO* subjective anyway. Most machines, even those Wally World specials, are more than capable of basic tasks, web browsing, etc. I'd never buy a Dell XPS, but some of the pseudo Alienware Inspirons wouldn't be bad starter gamers + homework machines for a teen.
I've used the first gen SB [just donated it to my father, who won't use it because it's "too much" /facepalm] I've used several SP 3s and 4s, The Blade Stealth 6th gen, Blade 2016 970m, and I've played with a lot of the lower and mid tiered consumer grade craptops on the market. If you can stand the screen, and it doesn't irritate the hell out of you to use, more power to ya.
The thing that Apple will always win over any other competitor [at least to present day] is the overall EXPERIENCE. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE windows, I'm an insider, I do the whole beta windows thing. . .and my desktop is about as overkill as you can get [we're talking 2x GTX 1080s in SLI on an overclocked skylake 6700k with a Z270 motherboard. ONLY 32 gig ram tho]
And as amazing a machine as it is, I use it for gaming and nothing else. I can take my MbP around with me, answer texts on it, videos . . amazing keyboard, ultra fast SSD read times via TB3 [on the rare occasion I need windows]...
I'd rather use the Mac. It's more comfortable, more portable, and when I need to go out on the road it's a LOT more convenient to carry than a desktop + monitor + speakers +Oculus rift gear + etc etc ad nauseam.
And if you feel the same way about your laptop as I do about mine. . that's awesome! Doesn't matter what brand it is, you're happy with it. WHY you feel the need to vilify competition because you wanted an "updated" MbP and then got an updated MbP. . and promptly cried because they updated it .... /shrug.
Apple did what they did. A lot of people like it. You may not, and that's cool. You wanna complain about how "horrible" the new MbP is, I get that it's the internet, where it's all the rage to whine and moan and complain..... but maybe just sit back and say "hey, Windows machines have gotten better.... Apple isn't junk, it's just not the machine for me this generation".
In all fairness tho, I have absolutely zero problems with running 4x TB3 ports. Truth be told, I MUCH prefer it! Replace a few cables for a few devices, keep an adapter on my mouse.... I'm stylin'
It's YOUR money and you chose what to do with it. You got to vote with YOUR dollar. The joys of the free market! How are you liking the Dell? I've been eyeing the XPS 15 myself.
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I know many folks prefer Mac centric apps as they are typically pretty slick. Curious, what apps keep you tied to Macs?
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I personally choose apps and services that work across all devices. Spotify, Dropbox, MS Office and the Adobe Suite.
I know many folks prefer Mac centric apps as they are typically pretty slick. Curious, what apps keep you tied to Macs?
They probably don't care that much about price because once you're in that walled garden it's difficult to get out. Switching to a new OS and abandoning Apple and all of its sexiness.. ahh I'll just pay 2.5k for a MBP.
Me too. I had a Dell for work and found it's best use was turned off and unplugged.
Some feel the need to come here to justify their recent tech purchase. It's ok to feel good about your Dell and its purchase. It's all about getting what's good for you. However keep in mind that Apples current MacBook Pro build quality and customer service trump Dell's and I'd rather stay tied to my dependable and safe macOS. I don't miss windows at all.
Much less true now than it used to be, when it was difficult for the Mac and Windows worlds to interact. You can see in this discussion that the supposed barriers are barely mentioned at all, while many speak of passing back and forth between Mac and Windows with no difficulty.
He explains it in the title:
"Please try harder Apple"
He bought a Dell because he felt Apple's offerings weren't that great this time around.
I understood exactly what he was saying.
Though you weren't asking me in particular, I'll respond anyway.
My main job is a graphic designer/illustrator. I've been doing it over 30 years, and on a Mac for at least 25 years. In that time, I've amassed a large catalog of Postscript fonts that won't work in Windows. If I were to make the transition, I'd have to re-purchase or convert my most used/important fonts to OpenType format. That's either a big expense or a large time commitment. Also, I have the full Adobe CS6 suite of applications for Mac only, and though I'll probably be switching to the painful (to me) subscription model of Adobe CC in a year (which would easily transfer to either Mac or Windows) I'd like to put that off as long as possible because I'm a cheap business owner.
Aside from that, I've got some other, less used apps that are Mac-centric. Losing access to them or having to re-purchase them would be inconvenient, but not "mission-critical" to my work as a designer and illustrator.
That, and all my past archived work is Mac-based, so gaining access to past projects would be problematic.
All in all, changing to Windows would be possible, but not particularly appealing, especially since I'm only about 5 years away from retirement.
I find the number of posts denigrating the OP for the thread and speaking as to why he decided to purchase a dell instead of a new Mac kind of telling about the Mac community and why so many people think of us as elitist. Someone leaves the "club" and it's "kick rocks, I don't even know you anymore". I wonder just how many of those same users would welcome him with open arms if the purchase was in the opposite direction?
After all of the problems with my 2016 MacBook Pro; battery life, sleep/wake, random shutdowns, more crashes than one can imagine, file corruption, etc... and NO help from Apple whatsoever, I was tempted to buy the XPS 15, and I have owned one before, so I know of the issues it can have. None of the problems I had with mine came close to the problems I experienced with my 2016 Touch Bar MbP. In fact, the only thing that kept me with the Mac was the deal that I ended up getting on a 2015 15" rMPB.
I've been an Apple user since '96, but I am far from a brand loyalist when it comes to loss of production time. And as Sigma mentioned above, with Adobe CC being cross platform, it wouldn't be too difficult to jump. Had the Dell been Cheaper than 2k for the config I wanted, I probably would have. We have already replaced our iPad Pro(s) with the Microsoft Surface(s), just for the ability to hand it over to a client and let them see changes to their layouts in realtime in Illustrator.
After all of the problems with my 2016 MacBook Pro; battery life, sleep/wake, random shutdowns, more crashes than one can imagine, file corruption, etc... and NO help from Apple whatsoever, I was tempted to buy the XPS 15, and I have owned one before, so I know of the issues it can have. None of the problems I had with mine came close to the problems I experienced with my 2016 Touch Bar MbP. In fact, the only thing that kept me with the Mac was the deal that I ended up getting on a 2015 15" rMPB.
I've been an Apple user since '96, but I am far from a brand loyalist when it comes to loss of production time. And as Sigma mentioned above, with Adobe CC being cross platform, it wouldn't be too difficult to jump. Had the Dell been Cheaper than 2k for the config I wanted, I probably would have. We have already replaced our iPad Pro(s) with the Microsoft Surface(s), just for the ability to hand it over to a client and let them see changes to their layouts in realtime in Illustrator.
I don't think that's the case at all we gave the OP a kicking for making ridiculous excuses that made no sense for the decision.
Firstly why would anyone care what computer they bought anyway.
Secondly why try and point out the benefits of your choice when the Mac they passed up is better in every dept but price to what they bought.
I have no issue with their choice buy what you want no one cares. Just don't act like it matters or is a what everyone should do.
I think you're bending over backwards trying to find problems with the Dell, for instance you link to a thread in bbbs.archlinux where someone is complaining about issues with Arch Linux. I would say that is such a niche case that it's not really something that the majority of users will incur (And others in the thread reported running arch problem free).
Yes, some people may receive a defective unit, or there may be some issues with drivers but over all I've read and see mostly positive reviews and articles about the Dell.
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I think it's each to their own, even as a fan of Apple i won't tell anyone what they should or shouldn't buy.
Personally i don't like Windows, i used it prior to getting my first Mac with the 2011 MacBook Pro and it was so frustrating. Plus i love the new MacOS with Sierra and it's features of multitasking picture in picture and so on.
With all that aside i do see that it's not for everyone, i don't think anyone has the right to judge anyone else for what they choose to use, as long as you are happy with your choice that's all that matters! i hope you enjoy
Personally i don't like Windows, i used it prior to getting my first Mac with the 2011 MacBook Pro and it was so frustrating. Plus i love the new MacOS with Sierra and it's features of multitasking picture in picture and so on.
With all that aside i do see that it's not for everyone, i don't think anyone has the right to judge anyone else for what they choose to use, as long as you are happy with your choice that's all that matters! i hope you enjoy
Subjective to be sure, but I also think windows 10 is nice. Both OS X and Windows has advantages and disadvantages.
Not really my point. It was a quick google search for "dell xps 15 9560 issues" which took all of 10 seconds. You're right in that I should've vetted further, but I was in a rush.
You as a mod, as well as a long-time poster, know better than most that many (perhaps even a majority) make their way to MRF b/c they're having issues. Some in this thread were/are painting a grass is greener type picture with the Dell. My point being that with 30 seconds of research, it's easy to find quite a few folks complaining about quite a few issues with the Dell as well.
That's all I was trying to get across. Nothing more.