Agreed I could present an equally negative list for Apple, Microsoft, Lenovo, the list is a long as the number of manufacturers, throwing stones in greenhouses and all
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Agreed I could present an equally negative list for Apple, Microsoft, Lenovo, the list is a long as the number of manufacturers, throwing stones in greenhouses and all
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I've run into a good handful of issues with Win10, both regarding bugs and aesthetics, but it's far from awful. Again, I think we can agree that neither OSX nor Win10 is awful, and much comes down to workflow, aesthetics, and personal opinion.
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exactly the point of my links list.Agreed I could present an equally negative list for Apple, Microsoft, Lenovo, the list is a long as the number of manufacturers, throwing stones in greenhouses and all
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Agreed, but I think part of my decision processes has been the number of issues that we've seen with Apple over the past few years that drove me to the SurfaceBook, i.e., Apple's abhorrent track record with the dGPU, or staingate (both of which I'm happy to have missed with my 2012 rMBP) and more recently, the QC issues with the keyboard and the ubiquitous complaints about battery life.Agreed I could present an equally negative list for Apple, Microsoft, Lenovo, the list is a long as the number of manufacturers, throwing stones in greenhouses and all
Not for nothing, but I'm running windows 10 on my iMac and SurfaceBook and both are very stable and while the iMac has some driver issues, its strangely Apple drivers, i.e., my ACD display stopped working correctly, once I loaded the bootcamp drivers. I don't expect problem free perfection from any computer or operating system. Both have bugs, short comings and head scratching design decisions.
For me and my hesitation regarding MacBooks Pros is a collection of concerns, I'm not looking here to beat up Apple, but when you're spending close to 3k for a machine I think there needs to a level of peace with regard to what you're getting.
To put it another way, I think I'm probably a bit more forgiving when spending 1,100 dollars (the cost of my Surface Book) if there are some annoyances, but I'm much less patient if I spent 3,000 on a MacBook Pro. Apple touts this as a premium machine, so I want premium quality and a premium experience. Many people here do not seem to be enjoying that premium experience.
Sounds like you've about made up your mind on your thread regarding which machine to buy then.
No, not yet, and I'm in no hurry, but I do think windows, and dell offer more then what many people are willing to acknowledge. I think the user experience that Mac provides is a great advantage but as I stated, for 3,000 dollars I want a premium experience - I'm not so sure I'll get that
It's funny b/c I agree with you 100%. However, someone else earlier compared buying Apple to wine in that some themselves it's of higher quality because it's more expensive. Therefore, Apple customers tend to be more satisfied. I think he's probably correct as well.
I thought it was quite the opposite. Apple makes computers for the average consumer.
No, it's not like that at all. This isn't an Apple Store. This is an online public discussion board of which the OP has been a member for 13 years.
As is the argument that Windows 10 with latest updates sucks. Did you read your post? I see apps as a reason to have a mac, so the implication is the quality of Mac apps since this thread is about Mac and not IOS.
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Unfortunately, I find Windows 10 to be MUCH MUCH worse than Windows 8 was. The RTM release of Windows 10 was flawless! I was telling everyone to make use of the free upgrade, and even purchased several licenses. When 1511 hit (first big update), it uninstalled my AV software. Okay, minor inconvenience. When the next big update hit (anniversary update 1607), things went downhill FAST. None of my shortcuts worked (bad stub data received was the error message), my webcam stopped working, there were some networking issues on a few systems, and just recently, the MMC management console immediately crashes when I try to add the certificates snap in. How can you mess up these things? I have NEVER had these issues on Windows 7 or 8.x. Oh and also, I had the start menu FAIL to open SEVERAL times. This is all across numerous computers and even after a clean install. LOTS of people reported these issues too. It is just a mess now
Again, you've misrepresented my remarks. I never said Win10 sucks. Please read over my other posts for clarification.
Again, you speak as if I brought up iOS. I did not. It is funny that you do continually bring it up, as it is a contributing factor and a compelling reason for many to switch to OS X.
I don't know if you're not reading carefully or purposefully setting up straw menu, but I do wish you would quit putting words in my mouth.
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At this point unless you use very specific software, you can switch between Mac and PC pretty easily.
I prefer Mac OS and use it 95% of the time, but if I go to a PC, my biggest issue (non issue) is wanting to click command rather than control.
Realistically for me at least, not wanting to invest the time in switching from iCloud services that would have a somewhat wonky experience or not work at all on Windows is a bigger factor than the os itself.
I hope you like your Dell and the continuous upgrades that disrupt your life from MS, as well as the OS itself and MS continuous spying as well as having to deal with continuous threats to the integrity of your machine.
I have two friends who simply got tired of MS and finally moved to a MBP, and are quite delighted. They never knew that anything like the MacOS really existed, even though people told them over and over again.
I have two friends who simply got tired of MS and finally moved to a MBP, and are quite delighted. They never knew that anything like the MacOS really existed, even though people told them over and over again.
Agreed! Both 1511 and 1607 took over an hour to install on my SSD! And these are REQUIRED updates!
I only use Windows for gaming and Visual Studio.
My friend called me last night to say that he left his apartment for just 40 minutes with his MBP left ON and his Dell desktop turned off. When he returned, the Dell was on the floor completely shattered and the dog, a show winning Beagle, was dead!
The MBP was where he left it, but he could tell it had been moved and there was a smear of blood on the Touch Bar. I think it's pretty clear what happened, though Apple is denying it up & down.
The dogs name? Windows.
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Not for nothing, but most people ARE enjoying a premium experience. It's funny how the detractors seem to enjoy trying to create an illusion that the new MacBooks have failed. I bought 3. I work in Hollywood with producers, directors, editors and writers. This is what the industry uses and I have yet to hear a single complaint or issue. Until a few weeks ago, my friend worked the Genius Bar in Glendale. She said there was no uptick in service issues on her watch and sales were crazy fast.
This is where people vent and try to make mountains out of mole-hills. I don't "hate" windows, but I do know it's not what the professionals here use and I understand why. As someone else posted, it's the OVERALL experience of using these machines that makes them more professional. I was at a writers meeting last week....11 people in the room, including photographers and assorted crew. There wasn't a Windows machine in the room. Of course not.
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Agreed that specific software definitely depends on the user. However, simply navigating the OS over and over again on a daily basis can take time if it's been a while.
Additionally, while most vendors do make software for the Windows and OSX, this could mean spending hundreds (or even thousands of dollars) repurchasing licenses for a different OS. [Perhaps this could be 1 benefit of subscription-based payment models?]
For me personally, I utilize the iCloud syncing quite a bit for internet browsing, Handoff, Continuity, iCloud documents, etc. However, I realize this isn't the case for everyone.
I never said everyone was not, but rather many people were not.
I'm not a detractor nor am I trying to create an illusion, the facts are simple enough that there are people who have had issues with the MBP, there are other people who have concerns about them and I consider myself one of those as I want to be a good steward of my limited funds.
That's the crux of the matter, Apple is selling premium product, yet over and over we have seen iterations of the MBP to be flawed (owned several myself). I came to a business decision sometime ago not to have all my eggs in one basket, primarily due to Apple's poor QC of the desktop OS and or deliberate disregard for business/professional customers needs.
Personally I maintain the 2016 MBP is vastly over priced for the value it currently represents, from my own observations Apple's hardware is becoming ever more disposable, less durable with an emphasis on up-selling of more Apple product.
For me Apple's pricing certainly does not intimidate as my systems pay for themselves in a matter of days, however for over $3K I expect a notebook that meets my needs, I expect a solid OS. To me Apple is continuing to shift it's focus for the Mac, of all those I know using Mac's professionally none have bought the 2016 MBP, more revealing none are planning to either. Majority are extending usage of their current systems or looking to Windows based solutions. Personally I expect far more of Apple with it's vast resources, pity more don't...
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You think a touch bar is better than options for a 4k screen, touch screen, 32GB RAM..oh yes and user replaceable RAM and HD/SSD ??? You are brain-washed my friend.
Ha, welcome to Earth, and enjoy your stay. You'll also find that some of the same people who protest about how the OP was treated would be among those hurling insults if the OP was saying something they didn't want to hear. Do a search on the forums for terms like fanboy, shill.
That's odd that Apple offered no help. Most of us get help from Apple about those kinds of things.
Not ubiquitous at all. Only one model, the 13" with touch bar, has had a spotty track record with battery life. People are generally pleased with the battery life of the 13" without touch bar and the 15", and tests back that up.
Well yeah, this is where people with issues come to complain. Most people appear pleased. How much time do you spend at Surface Book forums? It's educational, I'm sure.
Can't tell what that I said you're trying to disagree with. Apple has always had a small share of the market, has always had higher prices and been more upscale. No doubt average people can enjoy that, but most don't want to pay extra for what Apple offers.
You say that about the 2016, but seem happy with the 2015. Objectively, the 2016 base 15" is $100 more than the comparably equipped 2015, with added Touch ID, touch bar, better screen, better speakers, faster SSD, twice the external monitor support, far more powerful and flexible ports, better battery life for what people typically use the battery for, runs cooler and more quietly, and is smaller and lighter. Few people will agree with you that isn't legitimately worth $100.
There isn't the slightest evidence to support your dark views of Apple's designs against consumers. The new MBPs appear to be more solid and durable than ever.
More revealing about you, actually, as it's obvious even in this discussion and others here that many pros have updated and are loving it.
No not brainwashed I hate a touchscreen on a laptop or desktop unergonomic slow and destroys my flow, I have no need for 32gb very few people do, I can't remember the last time an Apple product lasted me such a short amount of time that I was better off upgrading rather than buying a new one. Oh and I hate Windows with a passion for a vast variety of reasons.
The 4K screens are half as bright, destroy battery life and have a far worse calibration and colour gamut, I would far rather have an accurate bright and still fantastically detailed screen for 10 hours than a crappy 4K for 5 hours.
Slimmer lighter and more portable is always good the best computer is always the one you can be bothered to carry with you.
As I said in my whole post that you so nicely ignored buy whatever you want I couldn't give a toss, just don't project your values and wants and needs onto everyone else.
Great post. When your workflow depends specifically on the applications you use, and (in your case) 25+ years of fonts saved that only work with Mac, it's not as easy as "just buying a PC." If the Mac works well enough for you, and prevents you from having to stop working for weeks just to convert everything over, then why not keep buying a Mac? I don't blame you.
Thankfully you can always shop around an buy a Windows PC for fun when you're wanting to fiddle around.
Curious, from your perspective, a long time Mac user, what is your opinion of Apple's recent direction? Do you feel that Apple isn't catering to you/your market like they used to, or would you say that things really haven't changed?
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edit: Just checked out your website. Impressive work.
You sound a bit like me, who may eventually settle on a Surface Pro 5 or a Surface Book 2, or a new HP Spectre x360 (the Kabylake one is almost perfect, so the next one is sure to amaze).
For many people its a deal-breaker. There was a guy posted before about how his company which provides scientific equipment to thousands of customers would have to switch from Apple due to this point.
The rest of your post was simply attacking to OP and projecting your values and wants and needs onto everyone else. Practice what you preach friend.