Political Will for Encryption Law Has Weakened Since Apple-FBI Dispute

[toddzrx]

What are you talking about socialism?

Bernie Sanders, June 22, 1989 speech in NYC: "“In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist and that many people in our movement, not all, are socialists"

I get that Bernie's brand of socialism is more the western European version; he's not advocating Soviet-style communism. He's fed up with the crony-capitalism rife in America today and the inequalities it has caused in the standard of living for our citizens. What's funny is that of all the candidates out there, Trump and Sanders actually have a lot of similarities as far as their goals for the country are concerned. It's their means of getting there that differ drastically.

For the record:

http://gui.afsc.org/birddog/conversation-donald-trump-about-crony-capitalism

 

[tripmusic]

ISIS?? Please..... You mean CIA. Do you really think any of those would be "terrorists" are using iPhones anyway? Nope. Those two in San Bernardino were sadly just patsies

 

[CFreymarc]

Blows my mind that out of all the people in America all we can come up with for our President is Trump, Hillary and Bernie.

WTF

There are better qualified people. All comes down to who is backing them. The Iron Bank always gets its due.

 

[DoctorTech]

We like to talk about how special interest groups and the rich have too much influence over US politics at the expense of less well-off Americans. There are those who say that for this reason, we need term limits on Congress. This stupid encryption bill is another reason why we need term limits. These career politicians with no understanding of modern technology are proposing laws that are going to make our data less secure.

This law is tantamount to requiring a backdoor. That's just unacceptable. What do LEOs think they'll accomplish if they weaken encryption? To use the words of Comey, if encryption is an essential tradecraft of terrorist organizations, they'll just find a way to get their hands on encryption. By painting encryption as essential tradecraft of terrorist organizations, Comey is trying to make us believe that privacy is abnormal, and you want privacy, you're probably doing something that you shouldn't be doing.

If politicians have their way with this bill, only the bad guys will have privacy. The good guys who are just trying to protect critical information like credit card numbers, health data, and other things will be forced to do without it and will be turned into mindless drones of the government.

"Just this one phone, just this one time..."

Tim Cook was absolutely right about it being "too dangerous" for Apple to create the software the FBI was demanding. LEOs sound "reasonable" asking for state of the art, high power tools to catch <gasp> TERRORISTS!!!! <gasp> then immediately those same tools end up being used for the most trivial of matters. If anyone doubts me just look at how cell tower simulators (aka Stingrays) are being used today by the Annapolis PD
http://gizmodo.com/maryland-police-used-an-indiscriminate-cellphone-spy-to-1774831661

 

[Keirasplace]

Bernie Sanders, June 22, 1989 speech in NYC: "“In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist and that many people in our movement, not all, are socialists"

I get that Bernie's brand of socialism is more the western European version; he's not advocating Soviet-style communism. He's fed up with the crony-capitalism rife in America today and the inequalities it has caused in the standard of living for our citizens. What's funny is that of all the candidates out there, Trump and Sanders actually have a lot of similarities as far as their goals for the country are concerned. It's their means of getting there that differ drastically.

For the record:

http://gui.afsc.org/birddog/conversation-donald-trump-about-crony-capitalism

Considering Trump has 10 opinions/lies/facts (sic) on well, everything, your assertion is kinda funny.

They're both populists; that's were they look most alike.

Sanders' objective are not repulsive in general... But, are very thin on substance and include a hell of a lot of hand-waving.

Sanders seem to eschew all knowledge of how things are done in the US Congress despite having been there 30 years (being president is not enough to get things done). He's not notoriously not that good driving bills and working with others (that's why he was sitting as an independent in the first place).

They're greatest fans are both white men.
Older working class ones for Trump and younger liberal arts college types for Sanders..

Sanders's brand of socialism doesn't really look like what's been implemented anywhere in Europe, not even Scandinavia.
It's more "textbook" 1960s socialism. He seems to not really have donehis homework on how modern socialism has worked and failed were it was tried.

I live in something that would be termed "socialist paradise" (sic) by Sanders, Quebec in Canada.
Took us decades to get there and it is still not what he's advocating RIGHT NOW.

 

[dk001]

There are better qualified people. All comes down to who is backing them. The Iron Bank always gets its due.

If I was a great candidate (I'm not) I would not be willing to put myself through the crap they do just to get nominated. A masochist I am not.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

If anyone doubts me just look at how cell tower simulators (aka Stingrays) are being used today by the Annapolis PD
http://gizmodo.com/maryland-police-used-an-indiscriminate-cellphone-spy-to-1774831661

I saw the descriptions but the event was described variously as robbery and theft. Was there an actual robbery (usual definition by force or threat of force), or, did someone just abscond with the wings (theft)?

Definitely not the same crime.

 

[dk001]

I saw the descriptions but the event was described variously as robbery and theft. Was there an actual robbery (usual definition by force or threat of force), or, did someone just abscond with the wings (theft)?

Definitely not the same crime.

Must have been some special 23.5 herb secret recipe alpha version clucker flappers.

A most serious misdemeanor for sure!

 

[CFreymarc]

If I was a great candidate (I'm not) I would not be willing to put myself through the crap they do just to get nominated. A masochist I am not.

Plato has a lot to say about that. In may times, the philosophy of a individual is second to their communication and charm to win a leadership position.

 

[DoctorTech]

I saw the descriptions but the event was described variously as robbery and theft. Was there an actual robbery (usual definition by force or threat of force), or, did someone just abscond with the wings (theft)?

Definitely not the same crime.

I agree those are different crimes and that the reporting is sloppy which makes it difficult to determine exactly which crime occurred. However, neither of those crimes are a matter of "National Security" which is what LEOs always hide behind when questioned about the use of cell tower simulators. LEOs have misled courts about the use of cell tower simulators by describing intelligence derived from their use as coming from "a confidential source" (implying a person rather than a technology). http://cnsmaryland.org/interactives/spring-2016/maryland-police-cell-phone-trackers/index.html

It also makes it difficult for a judge to determine if the use of a cell tower simulator constitutes an "unreasonable search" when nearly all details about their capabilities and use (even whether a certain department even owns one) is "shielded" by a non-disclosure agreement (in the name of "National Security").

My whole point was that LEOs always ask for new powers / technology to prevent/solve the most extreme crimes such as terrorism, murder, and child abduction. Then once they have it they start using it for much less serious crimes. The public all too often agrees such technology is needed to protect us from WMDs without realizing how it will actually be used. Here in the Mid-West, there was recent talk among LEOs of using automated license plate readers to create a database of everyone attending gun shows which isn't even a crime but hey - we got the technology, why not use it?

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

I agree those are different crimes and that the reporting is sloppy which makes it difficult to determine exactly which crime occurred. However, neither of those crimes are a matter of "National Security"

No, but, if I were a judge, I would grant a wiretap authorization for an armed robbery.

which is what LEOs always hide behind when questioned about the use of cell tower simulators. LEOs have misled courts about the use of cell tower simulators by describing intelligence derived from their use as coming from "a confidential source" (implying a person rather than a technology).

I don't doubt these devices are good at zeroing in a phone, as well as listening in. Since the guy did not get caught I guess, I imagine he ditched the phone or at least turned it off.

It also makes it difficult for a judge to determine if the use of a cell tower simulator constitutes an "unreasonable search" when nearly all details about their capabilities and use (even whether a certain department even owns one) is "shielded" by a non-disclosure agreement (in the name of "National Security").

My concern is that it could be used without a warrant to watch everybody and everything in a location. I could be wrong, but, I don't think these devices are magic. Judicial oversight should be the minimum, not at a minimum.

My whole point was that LEOs always ask for new powers / technology to prevent/solve the most extreme crimes such as terrorism, murder, and child abduction. Then once they have it they start using it for much less serious crimes. The public all too often agrees such technology is needed to protect us from WMDs without realizing how it will actually be used. Here in the Mid-West, there was recent talk among LEOs of using automated license plate readers to create a database of everyone attending gun shows which isn't even a crime but hey - we got the technology, why not use it?

I agree with your point. In some locations, they don't even have to "create a database of everyone attending gun shows" because there are enough license plate readers and choke points that it is a database of everybody driving everywhere. They can always track your cell phone. And now, people are welcoming always-on microphones into their living rooms.

 

[dk001]

Plato has a lot to say about that. In may times, the philosophy of a individual is second to their communication and charm to win a leadership position.

True. Then again, Plato has never met anything like our current media.