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Orlandoech

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If encryption is essential tradecraft for terrorist organizations, then creating backdoors and weakening encryption in consumer electronics would have zero effect on them and only serve to weaken they security of a couple of billion people. Terrorists could, and I'm sure do, use other means to encrypt communications other than what comes out of the box in an iPhone or Android phone.


Not according to the FBI :rollseyes:. FBI is clueless. Always has been and always will be an incompetent, corrupt, ces-pool of an organization.
 

kingtj

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Yes, but you can thank the "wisdom" of the people who originally thought it a good idea to grant the cable companies monopoly status for most of these problems.

Regulated monopoly is disinterested in giving people the latest set top boxes and broadband speeds? What a shocker!


The Republicans are too busy making budget proposals that gut FUNDING for the FCC to make sure that corporations can safely ignore Net Neutrality and stop the cable/satellite industry from having to allow 3rd party newer/faster/better cable/sat boxes that aren't slow as crap operate on their networks. A family member of mine has Time Warner and they charge a nice rental fee for a 15 year old cable box that routinely craps out and resets and is molasses mixed with paint drying slow. If she complains and they come out they give her another 15 year old dud that does no better since to get anything remotely newer they want her to get an HD box (never mind that room doesn't have an HDTV) and the room that does have that box isn't exactly awesome. I have a family owned cable company in my area and they cost 40% less for the same services (but with faster Internet) and newer cable boxes that are 4-5x faster than their older ones and even so, the boxes aren't as fast as they COULD be. I just got back from London a few days ago and my hotel's standard WiFi was getting me over 60Mbps down and 15Mbps up (beats my home speeds) at no cost.

But we all bend over and just take it and vote for these people that protect corporate wealth at the cost of consumers using ancient slow technology with broadband speeds a fraction of Europe because hey, the other guys are evil "liberals" that want to control your life by forcing companies to allow competition! OMG! Competition! What's that? Doesn't everyone know that Capitalism = Merging into Monopolies and ultra-high prices??? But hey, Donald will bring back 1800s coal power by removing all barriers to polluting! You don't need to breathe clean air for god's sake! I'm sorry, but if people want pollution, no food inspection, no safety standards and their kids working in coal mines, vote for the most self-obsessed candidate of all time! He'll bring America back to the 1880s and early 1900s when we were "great" with a few people like Rockefeller, Carnegie and Vanderbilt ruled the country robber baron style! Yes, a dozen people with 99.9% of the wealth is even BETTER than 1% with that wealth, after all. We need to consolidate our rich and shove the rest down to poverty levels so they don't cause trouble! Bring back the medieval noble system of lords and peasants with our new King Trump at the helm!

Yes I realize the alternative is crooked Hillary or perhaps Comrade Colonel Sanders if she goes to jail), so pick your poison well! The age of dignity and trustworthy honest people dies long ago (really never existed; Democracy is a sham; read Plato's Republic some time; it will always be corrupted).
 

mdlooker

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Blows my mind that out of all the people in America all we can come up with for our President is Trump, Hillary and Bernie.

WTF

Yep I agree and I just don't know which poison to vote for. But this whole political process and processes within the system blows my mind.

1. Since when does running a country require LESS qualifications than running a McDonalds or Walmart?
2. Why is it allowed that blatantly breaking a federal law and still be able to run for President?
3. Why is someone allowed to step on a stage that protects people that are perfectly eligible/able to work, only condones infinite enrollment activity that sucks tax payers wealth?
4. Why limit the Presidency but not congress? Any job in politics that requires the peoples vote should be limited.
5. Why is it even fathomable to attach completely unrelated/uncorrelated bills or excerpts of failed bills to other bills going up for vote?

Smh this entire political process blows my mind. And whats even more unbelievable is that people are voting for someone that can't present a thought/idea/plan pass a grade school level, or give any rhetoric pass "What" we're going to do without any "How" of any sort...for anything.
 

gnasher729

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Could you guys change the title to "political will for anti-encryption law"? Since some people don't want encryption, but get rid of it.
 

gnasher729

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Not according to the FBI :rollseyes:. FBI is clueless. Always has been and always will be an incompetent, corrupt, ces-pool of an organization.

I wouldn't say their are clueless. They have goals that don't align with my goals, with Apple's goals, and incidentally not with the goals of the NSA. FBI's goal is to catch and convict the bad guys. NSA's goal is to stop the bad guys (which is not necessarily the same as catching and convicting), and to protect the good guys.
 

Juicy Box

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The US is actually very funny, they have been mocking the USSR as being comunist with only one single party. The US has however just one party more. In most countries of Europe, you can choose from a multitude of political parties all with diffetrent ideas. Next to this the ellection thing in the US is like a circus, it looks like a version Idols; it doesn't matter whether you have any understanding of ruling a country, you just have to achieve high view rating and you are president or govenor. Just some examples;

Famous govenors:
Jesse Venture: ex- UDT, ex wressler and than he beacme a Governor
Arnold Zwartzenegger: Austrian bodybuilder, filmstar / Terminator: US Governor

Famous presidents
Jimmy carter: peanut farmer
Ronald Reagan: movie Cowboy
Bill Clintion: don't get me started about Monica
What's next?

Some parts I could agree, except your examples are a few out of hundreds that don't fit your description.


Also, who has been mocking the USSR? It has been irrelevant now for a while.
 

dk001

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The Republicans are too busy making budget proposals that gut FUNDING for the FCC to make sure that corporations can safely ignore Net Neutrality and stop the cable/satellite industry from having to allow 3rd party newer/faster/better cable/sat boxes that aren't slow as crap operate on their networks. A family member of mine has Time Warner and they charge a nice rental fee for a 15 year old cable box that routinely craps out and resets and is molasses mixed with paint drying slow. If she complains and they come out they give her another 15 year old dud that does no better since to get anything remotely newer they want her to get an HD box (never mind that room doesn't have an HDTV) and the room that does have that box isn't exactly awesome. I have a family owned cable company in my area and they cost 40% less for the same services (but with faster Internet) and newer cable boxes that are 4-5x faster than their older ones and even so, the boxes aren't as fast as they COULD be. I just got back from London a few days ago and my hotel's standard WiFi was getting me over 60Mbps down and 15Mbps up (beats my home speeds) at no cost.

But we all bend over and just take it and vote for these people that protect corporate wealth at the cost of consumers using ancient slow technology with broadband speeds a fraction of Europe because hey, the other guys are evil "liberals" that want to control your life by forcing companies to allow competition! OMG! Competition! What's that? Doesn't everyone know that Capitalism = Merging into Monopolies and ultra-high prices??? But hey, Donald will bring back 1800s coal power by removing all barriers to polluting! You don't need to breathe clean air for god's sake! I'm sorry, but if people want pollution, no food inspection, no safety standards and their kids working in coal mines, vote for the most self-obsessed candidate of all time! He'll bring America back to the 1880s and early 1900s when we were "great" with a few people like Rockefeller, Carnegie and Vanderbilt ruled the country robber baron style! Yes, a dozen people with 99.9% of the wealth is even BETTER than 1% with that wealth, after all. We need to consolidate our rich and shove the rest down to poverty levels so they don't cause trouble! Bring back the medieval noble system of lords and peasants with our new King Trump at the helm!

Yes I realize the alternative is crooked Hillary or perhaps Comrade Colonel Sanders if she goes to jail), so pick your poison well! The age of dignity and trustworthy honest people dies long ago (really never existed; Democracy is a sham; read Plato's Republic some time; it will always be corrupted).

I can't agree.
When politicians come up for election, for the most part, the audience is fed a nonstop rhetoric diatribe of headline style information to paint a false persona of the candidate. People just don't take the effort nor time to see what a candidate really is. The non-hardcore voters typically vote based on the flavor of the day; right or wrong. Each major election I try to spend a decent amount of time looking at the candidates, the bills, the bonds the ... In actuality you can't. There is just too much. To do a decent effort and sort through it all you have to make it a second full time job. To a lot of folks, Feinstein looks like a great Senator irrespective of her "backers" and "owners".
I have learned and never forgotten, and pass this on to all my peers / friends, never forget a politician is an actor and that they are playing a public role. What goes on behind the scene or between takes is a whole different world. One we would in all likelihood be uncomfortable with.
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Bernie is not any better.

I want to see a Trump / Bernie ticket just to upset the apple cart.
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Blows my mind that out of all the people in America all we can come up with for our President is Trump, Hillary and Bernie.

WTF

Heck, we have 52 candidates for Miss America but only a couple for President. :D
 
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Tech198

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"The CIA and NSA were also ambivalent, according to several current and former intelligence officials, because agency officials feared any new law would interfere with their own encryption efforts."

Yes, because the NSA doesn't want to stop harvesting our data with "no way in"

aka.. Trump sux :)

The law is having a fever.... better rest.. Apple is just too good for you
 

thermodynamic

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I don't believe it for a second.

Most of in the peanut gallery stopped caring. It's no different to when people threw tantrums over when the CPU serial number was introduced on the chip, people balked, number removed, number reintroduced years later, people didn't care.

Besides, everyone knows the double standard Cook has for China, giving out code and helping them at every turn while putting on big song and dance "battles" here in the US. Tech media reported it, even mainstream media pointed out disparity in the past in the number of times Apple previously helped US government, even for a child molestation case. I doubt Apple changed its tune because Obama was elected and re-elected, so why? Who cares. People know why they stopped caring, which is kinda funny in a way...
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evil "liberals" that want to control your life by forcing companies to allow competition! OMG! Competition! What's that? Doesn't everyone know that Capitalism = Merging into Monopolies and ultra-high prices??? But hey, Donald will bring back 1800s coal power by removing all barriers to polluting! You don't need to breathe clean air for god's sake! I'm sorry, but if people want pollution, no food inspection, no safety standards and their kids working in coal mines, vote for the most self-obsessed candidate of all time! He'll bring America back to the 1880s and early 1900s when we were "great" with a few people like Rockefeller, Carnegie and Vanderbilt ruled the country robber baron style! Yes, a dozen people with 99.9% of the wealth is even BETTER than 1% with that wealth, after all. We need to consolidate our rich and shove the rest down to poverty levels so they don't cause trouble! Bring back the medieval noble system of lords and peasants with our new King Trump at the helm!

Yes I realize the alternative is crooked Hillary or perhaps Comrade Colonel Sanders if she goes to jail), so pick your poison well! The age of dignity and trustworthy honest people dies long ago

Comrade? As in companies that deal with China and other communist countries? Your vitriol is misplaced or "communism" has changed as a paradigm...

So we're no longer a developed country or community since no trustworthy people are left. Gotcha. It's all very simple,. isn't it... what if it wasn't?

Then why did right-wingers throw tantrums every time the government, under Obama or other left-wingers, stepped in to prevent mergers and other anti-competitive acts? What if both parties appreciate aspects of capitalism and socialism (which is not communism) but just disagree on the means to keep a balance while forgetting about other issues that caused an imbalance... Good grief, they just hate for the sake of it and, man, it's getting tiresome, their entitlements.
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This is so silly if you actually believe it. I guessing it is bad sarcasm?

I had to read it twice, it could be sarcasm...
 
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chabig

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We know the US Government doesn't want "We the People" to have encryption that puts our communications outside their ability to monitor.

So as the political will to ban encryption wanes in the face of public criticism, is it just a coincidence that yesterday, a patent troll company sues to force the wholesale shutdown of Apple's iMessage and FaceTime services, using patents purchased from one of the country's largest defense contractors?

The possibility deserves serious thought. If the government can't get a legal back door by law, why not just shut it down by alternate means?
 

avanpelt

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Actually Bernie is a much better candidate than Trump and Clinton. A Trump or Clinton presidency will be a catastrophic continuation of nonsense US politics-- the public do not need that. Four years of something new and different with Bernie Sanders will be a good thing. It's okay to share the White House with a member of the public that doesn't have deep seated establishment blood lines.

Four years of a self-described socialist will be 'a good thing' just because he's 'new and different'? I don't think so. "New and different" does not always mean better.
 

smacrumon

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Four years of a self-described socialist will be 'a good thing' just because he's 'new and different'? I don't think so. "New and different" does not always mean better.
New and different sure does mean better, especially considering the current situation.
 

ike1707

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Lolwut???!

Pics, or it never happened.

(seriously.... explain why if one option sucks; the diametrically opposite would NOT be better please- your comment broke my brain)
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/08/17/the-collected-nitwit-and-unwisdom-of-bernie-sanders/

Just bad economics from where I stand. I will credit him with not being a sellout (or a narcissistic psycho), but an unapologetic socialist is hardly an improvement.

I guess my stance is that there are no good options. All I see are the lesser of two evils and someone with the wrong solution.

Most people can't stomach that kind of reading, but the points are made.

Most folks don't want to hear thoughts that run counter to their own. No matter how well reasoned.
 
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Juicy Box

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New and different sure does mean better, especially considering the current situation.
Four years of a self-described socialist will be 'a good thing' just because he's 'new and different'? I don't think so. "New and different" does not always mean better.

Adolf Hitler was new and different after the downfall of Germany post WWI.

Before anyone says it, no, I am not comparing Bernie to Hitler, I am just pointing out that the poster avanpelt is correct by saying new and different is no always a good thing.
 

smacrumon

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Adolf Hitler was new and different after the downfall of Germany post WWI.

Before anyone says it, no, I am not comparing Bernie to Hitler, I am just pointing out that the poster avanpelt is correct by saying new and different is no always a good thing.
You didn't have to make Hitler comparisons to show how lacking any sense your argument is.
A better perspective on how the US should proceed is desperately needed, and out of all the remaining candidates, Bernie Sanders is the best option.
The White House needs new blood.
 

Juicy Box

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You didn't have to make Hitler comparisons to show how lacking any sense your argument is.

I sometimes use an extreme to explain a point. it works.

Some would say Hillary is new and different, after all having a woman as president is totally new and different.
But just because it is new and different doesn't make it a good option.
 

Tycho24

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http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/08/17/the-collected-nitwit-and-unwisdom-of-bernie-sanders/

Just bad economics from where I stand. I will credit him with not being a sellout (or a narcissistic psycho), but an unapologetic socialist is hardly an improvement.

I guess my stance is that there are no good options. All I see are the lesser of two evils and someone with the wrong solution.

Most people can't stomach that kind of reading, but the points are made.

Most folks don't want to hear thoughts that run counter to their own. No matter how well reasoned.

Oh.
Gotcha.
Well... a REASONABLE assumption (since we are talking about privacy), would be that you felt he had bad policies with regards to privacy.
While I did NOT read the entirety of the linked info; I did search it for "encryption", "privacy", & "security" and only got one hit, with regards to Social Security, so.......
I guess it's fine for you to use MacRumors as your personal soapbox, but your comment was 100% devoid of any substantive material with regards to this topic (encryption, privacy, & security)
 
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toddzrx

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The age of dignity and trustworthy honest people dies long ago (really never existed; Democracy is a sham; read Plato's Republic some time; it will always be corrupted).

It'll always be corrupted because man is corrupt. It's that simple.
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The US is actually very funny, they have been mocking the USSR as being comunist with only one single party. The US has however just one party more. In most countries of Europe, you can choose from a multitude of political parties all with diffetrent ideas. Next to this the ellection thing in the US is like a circus, it looks like a version Idols; it doesn't matter whether you have any understanding of ruling a country, you just have to achieve high view rating and you are president or govenor. Just some examples;

Famous govenors:
Jesse Venture: ex- UDT, ex wressler and than he beacme a Governor
Arnold Zwartzenegger: Austrian bodybuilder, filmstar / Terminator: US Governor

Famous presidents
Jimmy carter: peanut farmer
Ronald Reagan: movie Cowboy
Bill Clintion: don't get me started about Monica
What's next?

Sorry dude, but you need to get a much better understanding of both the US political system, the US Constitution, and US culture before making pithy comments like this. The USA is a land of opportunity; that's why an ex wrestler, an Austrian bodybuilder, a peanut farmer (who by the way is well known for sucking as a president), and a movie cowboy can all make it as leaders here. Unlike the Old World (i.e., western Europe where you reside) where the sheeple do what they're told (I lived in Germany for 7 years, so I can have an opinion), America has always held the idea of bucking the trend, of stepping out of line, in high regard. You don't like it, go pound sand.

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Blows my mind that out of all the people in America all we can come up with for our President is Trump, Hillary and Bernie.

WTF

Less and less people want the job. Would you?
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Actually Bernie is a much better candidate than Trump and Clinton. A Trump or Clinton presidency will be a catastrophic continuation of nonsense US politics-- the public do not need that. Four years of something new and different with Bernie Sanders will be a good thing. It's okay to share the White House with a member of the public that doesn't have deep seated establishment blood lines.

Obama was "new and different", and look where that got us.

And by the way, I don't see how you can come up with the conclusion that Trump has "deep seated establishment blood lines". He's been voted in by Republicans precisely because he's NOT establishment. If the general Republican voting bloc desired an establishment candidate, they had plenty to choose from 6 months ago.
 

ike1707

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Oh.
Gotcha.
Well... a REASONABLE assumption (since we are talking about privacy), would be that you felt he had bad policies with regards to privacy.
While I did NOT read the entirety of the linked info; I did search it for "encryption", "privacy", & "security" and only got one hit, with regards to Social Security, so.......
I guess it's fine for you to use MacRumors as your personal soapbox, but your comment was 100% devoid of any substantive material with regards to this topic (encryption, privacy, & security)
lol, true. To be fair, my first comment was vague and off-topic. I would be surprised if he fully understood encryption, but I will concede that he could very well be the BEST choice want to comes to privacy and security.

I'll still vote libertarian (for all the difference it makes)
 
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