Originally posted by chmorley
Yeah, you've lumped two arguments together, though. Some complain that M$ integrates useful apps into the OS (e.g., defrag), hurting companies that make/made similar (typically better) apps.
fair enough. although whether you think the 'Active Desktop' model is best or not (personally i hate it) surely you can't criticise a company for adopting it? you can of course criticise the
way they implement it.
While their argument was that it improves user experience (by allowing them to experience their desktops as they do the web)
a pretty fair argument whether you agree with it or not surely? (again please note that i emphatically don't - just trying to be fair)
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
... MS was very adamant about resellers including shortcuts to IE on the desktop, and not letting people remove it from the system. This has since changed, due to the recent legal developments.
to me this seems far more serious. lets not forget though the number of enhancements both OS families (win/mac) have had over the years that have been directly lifted from independent software developments. (i can't think of any off the top my head

but every time i load a new OS version i seem to be able to leave old third party utilities/apps off the required software list). it is in the nature of these companies to absorb into their OS/GUIs ideas and technologies from external sources. sometimes they give credit and or pay for ti sometimes they don't.
I worry about a scary, draconian company having information about my browsing habits.
totally agreed.
I actually wouldn't worry too much about Apple knowing where and how I browse.
couldn't disagree more. in fact i'm amazed that anyone could say that. i don't want
any company having unnecessary information about me no matter how benign you may think they are.
While the software development habits of the two companies may appear the same, I believe the motivation is different (and looking at market forces, this is easy to understand why).
i'll have to take your word on Apple's habits and would have to agree that it is public knowledge that MS have undertaken some insidious anti-competitive practices.
M$ wants to own your desktop.
i'm not convinced that apple doesn't. although i do agree they are going about it in a different manner.
While Apple would probably like to be in that position..
agreed. after all they too are a corporate body that has shareholders etc.
Giving away multimedia apps like iMovie and iTunes shows how the Mac experience can be superior. Had they not done this, people would be much less likely to switch.
that may be (and i for one love using them) but it doesn't leave a lot of scope for other software developers does it?
Having said all this, I remain disappointed that there is not a browser for OS X that measures up to the offerings for the PC. Apple surely knows this, and knows how important people's browsers are.
agreed and i hope chimera becomes that browser. it certainly looks like it will.
let me just say, i didn't set out to use my post to defend MS. i simply wanted to question the almost religious belief that some on these mac forums have in Apple's benevolence by illuminating some parrallels as i perceive them.
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