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Poll - The iPhone's Next Carrier
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Not all of those countries have GSM/HSDPA. Even those that do, just like the US, those carriers have customers that won't or can't switch. Despite what you are saying, there is a market there.
And compared to developing a new phone, the costs to convert a GSM phone to CDMA are minimal. Most phone manufacturers already do this. Testing, FCC approval, baseband adjustments are minor. Far less than the profit they would make by opening up the iPhone to Verizon's customers.
CDMA will be around for at least another 10 years. Plenty of time for the life of an iPhone.
Just as Gruber said, even if a Verizon iPhone were in the works, it wouldn't be ready for a WWDC announcement.
Also, nobody is saying an iPhone 4 will be out on another carrier. But eventually some model of iPhone will.
it doesn't matter, all are the same, and they will coordinate between them to impose new rates and fees, as they always do.
Using your argument, there are a lot of people want Flash on the iOS. Guess what, no Flash.
Other than the US, there are 2 other countries that use CDMA pre-dominantly, Japan and S. Korea, and in both countries, Apple is already shipping HSDPA iPhones, and carriers in both countries are migrating to HSDPA.
Looking in the future, there's a big chuck of GSM/HSDPA, and migration to LTE for 4G. CDMA may still exist in 10 years, just like floppy disks still existed years after the 1st iMac.
I do think Apple has that "just in case" plan. However, this is different then switching from PPC to intel. Jobs himself said that when they look into the future, intel offers better products than PPC, thus the switch. Looking at wireless technology, GSM/HSDPA is the dominant horse with LTE in the future, not CDMA. We will see iPhones for Verizon, in LTE flavor.
But this doesn't eliminate a market for Apple like not supporting a mobile carrier does. Not a valid argument.
Once again, 522 million subscribers means just that....522 potential customers on CDMA. The existence of GSM in the same country doesn't eliminate that fact.
That statement is true for W-CDMA (current GSMA air interface of choice) just as it is CDMA. Both technologies will be retired for LTE. So still an invalid argument.
When the first LTE phones are released, they will be dual mode. LTE/W-CDMA and/or LTE/CDMA.
CDMA doesn't have to be dominant to be a valid market. Verizon has the majority marketshare in the US. At this point Apple has begun to reach market saturation of the AT&T customer base. You're foolish to think that Apple isn't looking hard at the Verizon customers drooling. Especially with Android starting to gain ground (another argument...but I don't think Android is a BIG threat...but I bet they have Apple's attention).
There are 2 things keeping an iPhone from happening and none of the reasons you have listed are either of them.
1) 5 year exclusivity agreement with AT&T. Until this is over or modified we won't see a Verizon iPhone.
2) Verizon's corporate culture vs Apple corporate culture - Verizon likes to brand and control their devices. Apple won't allow this. Until Verizon backs down on this we won't see a Verizon iPhone.
If/when these 2 situations change, we'll see a Verizon iPhone ASAP.
Verizon would definitely open it up to a larger amount of users, but more modifications would have to be put in place. Whereas Tmobile already runs on a similar network.
By not supporting Flash, Apple is eliminating quite a chunk of streaming entertainment market, though now content providers are moving towards H.264. Saying my argument as invalid is the same as invalidating your own argument. Apple is not eliminating their market by not supporting CDMA. In fact, choosing GSM opened up their market to the whole world instead of just one country. The world population > Verizon customers. Those Verizon customers can switch to AT&T if they want to, so the market potential is still there, not "eliminated." You seem to only think that Apple should only focus on the US market.
Those 2 reasons are already implied and known. But since obviously people are still dreaming and coming up with rumors about Verizon iPhones, I merely extend my arguments to point out additional reasons on why we won't see a CDMA iPhone.
But hey, I'm just stating my 2 cents. If you want to keep hoping for a CDMA iPhone, nobody's stopping you.
Your logic is completely wrong. There are users that will never be able to purchase an iPhone strictly due to it's lack of availability on their carrier. Either A) there is not carrier in their market with coverage or B) they are locked to a carrier for some other reason. Saying those Verizon customers (and any other CDMA carriers customers...that you keep forgetting) can switch if they want to is an ignorant position to take.
Lack of flash support is a choice of the user, but it doesn't remove the phone from their grasp if they choose to purchase it like not offering the phone on their carrier does.
Those 2 reasons are already implied and known. But since obviously people are still dreaming and coming up with rumors about Verizon iPhones, I merely extend my arguments to point out additional reasons on why we won't see a CDMA iPhone.
But hey, I'm just stating my 2 cents. If you want to keep hoping for a CDMA iPhone, nobody's stopping you.
And if you want to keep rooting against it with invalid reasoning, nobody's stopping you.
Yeah, I'm resurrecting an old, old thread. My, how we were wrong.
Hopefully we'll see Sprint get it's own version of the iPhone in September.
Hopefully we'll see Sprint get it's own version of the iPhone in September.
Just wondering, seeing as it's increasingly unlikely that Sprint will get the next iPhone (?), would T-Mobile be next in the U.S., or would Apple not consider it because of AT&T's proposed acquisition?
I would think they would not bother at this point. They have enough international carriers to deal with that to deal with a carrier that is trying to merge with another that already has the phone.
Some talks might happen on the chance the merger falls through.
Some talks might happen on the chance the merger falls through.
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What about Sprint then?
Zepaw said:
What about Sprint then?
The US market is becoming increasingly irrelevant for Apple's overall strategy, I say don't bother. Work on more international carriers and wean off the US market would be best.
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This is a U.S. carrier thread, and was posted last year. Sorry.
JetBlack7 said:
This is a U.S. carrier thread, and was posted last year. Sorry.
