Poor Palm

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  1. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    The Pre hasn't made the internet explode like Palm hoped it would.
    Thats what they get for signing exclusivity to a dying technology and company though. Palm missed a sale from me because the 3G S is coming out in New Zealand before the Pre.
     
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    Nah, the Pre looks like a very good phone, palm did a good job and will sell a lot of these.

    Not as many as Apple will sell iPhones, IMO, but Palm will do well.
     
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    This wouldn't be such a bad situation for Palm if the Pre weren't the "bet-the-company" product that it's become. Nobody's talking about their Centro or Treo Pro.

    I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
     
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    yes we will. it's too early to tell at this point
     
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    "Last edited by MorphingDragon : Today at 10:02 PM."

    What, you don't need the hug anymore?:(:D
     
  7. Schtumple macrumors 601

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    Was something missed?
     
  8. clevin macrumors G3

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    HAHA, somebody feels threatened by palm?

    rather than verbally making fake condolence, how about face the fact that a company of 1/10 of apple's size, like palm, actually sold 100,000 units in first week? And thats due to the production shortage?

    wrap up insincere care please. If there is anybody deserve such condolence, its probably iPhone users who were never given any chance of enjoying the desktop level multitasking.

    for palm to have such sales numbers, and keep on selling out, they really don't need your "worry". :p
     
  9. IgnatiusTheKing macrumors 68040

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    It's waaaaaay too early to be saying "poor Palm" and besides, everyone who loves the iPhone should be hoping like hell for the Pre to succeed big time. The only way AT&T (and other exclusive carriers) will ever make iPhone data plans more reasonable is if there is legitimate competition from another great, "sexy" smartphone (or if Verizon gets the iPhone when 4G becomes a reality).
     
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    This would be waaaaay more meaningful if you ever posted anything in Apple favor. Frankly, your history discredits you.
     
  11. clevin macrumors G3

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    my history doesn't change the number, does it? :p:p:p

    and how exactly do apple fanboy's histories make their attacks on other companies more credible? especially with zero numbers? :p:p:p
     
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    Figures never lie, but liars figure. Your number are meaningful only in acceptance of your basic premise.
     
  13. clevin macrumors G3

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    and what would be my basic premise?

    palm being 1/10 in size compare to apple?
    or pre sold 100,000 in first week?
    or its still in shortage?

    and what do you call that?

    reasonable person always reach reasonable conclusion with proper facts.

    UPDATE: oops, looks I need to revise part of the facts.

    Palm is actually 1/80 in assets compare to apple, 1/35 in number of employees. and 1/26 in expense.
     
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    Would you guys mind taking your pointless bickering to PMs? You're mucking up a perfectly good thread.
     
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    My point in fact. Numbers in absence of context are meaningless. Palm is a lot younger a company than Apple, and not involved in nearly as many market segments as Apple, therefore, they should be smaller than Apple. Your numbers mean nothing.

    But, on the other hand, Palm has been in the Smart Phone business a lot longer than Apple, 2002 versus 2007. So how did they work themselves into such a small market position? (Hint, suck ass offerings).

    Now, consider the first post I made in this thread;

    This is called giving credit where credit is due. Something anyone perusing your previous posts can not help to notice, you cannot do. You are virulently anti- Apple, one might even say Appleophobic.

    But whatever, it's late, and I have a long day ahead of me. G'nite
     
  16. Goona macrumors 68020

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    Those are all guestimates, they know they haven't sold that much which is why they haven't released how many phones they sold. Meanwhile the 1st iphone which was 600 dollars sold more than that in its first weekend.
     
  17. MorphingDragon thread starter macrumors 603

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    Woah where did that come from.

    I say that because I really wanted to get a Palm Pre. But since they choose exclusivity to sprint, which only uses CDMA and the counterpart company in New Zealand, Telecom. Which is now going over to W-CMDA (A GSM derivative) kinda sucks. Because they have to remake the Phone for other countries. So I can almost guarantee they shot themselves in the foot with such a stupid decision. A lot of other countries are going to wait at least a month. When what the iphone 3gS is coming in what, like a week?

    All you seem to be talking about is crap. Nokia is technically only a fraction of the size of Apple and the N90 sold far more in the first week in America alone. And fake selling out is just a marketing tactic. Japan STUDIO who made folklore and demon's soul use it too. All it really reflects is their in-confidence in the product to sell well. Or the marketing team is more dubious than Apple
     
  18. MorphingDragon thread starter macrumors 603

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    :D

    You wanna know How crap the Situation is in New Zealand though?
    Vodafone is only now considering the Android G1!!!

    I know its a bit too farsighted but the conditions are really bad for Palm, like someone else stated above.
     
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    This.

    I really don't understand how people can believe that an item sells out only because it means the item must be phenomenally popular... the company makes a choice to only produce so many at a time.

    So, whether the Pre is doing better than Palm anticipated or whether they intentionally short-sell the phone, it still means next to nothing in relation to how popular or well-liked the device actually is.

    And given that Palm was big on those viral videos that kept magically 'leaking' out, I'd say this is just clever manoeuvring on Palm's part.
     
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    Smart phones were niche markets for quite a while. They were business centric, lacked a good camera and music playback capabilities, were big and were marketed and sold to a small group of people. It was the BlackBerry Pearl (released before the iPhone was announced) that was really the first smartphone for everyone, with a decent camera, MP3 player and small form factor, and it sold quite well. BlackBerry, HTC and Apple started working on consumer oriented smartphones in 2007, while Palm kept building smart phones marketed towards businesses. The Pre is really Palm's first attempt at a consumer oriented smart phone, and I think they've done quite well.
     
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    Rumor: Sluggish Palm Pre Sales Put Second webOs Project on Hold

     
  22. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    It will be interesting to see how the Pre does when it gets released on Verizon early next year (sounds like Jan of '10 from the internet whispers). While it won't have the 'shiny new gadget' buzz in 7 months it will have had plenty of time to address v1.0 short comings and build up a bigger app store.

    I honestly think the Pre was rushed to market a bit by Sprint because their window of exclusivity was shrinking and, IMO, Sprint needs the Pre more than the Pre needs Sprint.


    Lethal
     
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    Ouch, if that's true I hope it doesn't spell the end of Palm, there's something about them I've always admired. And the Pre & Palm always reminds me of the iMac G3 & Apple, a last ditch attempt to recoup a sinking ship. Let's hope this story goes the same way Apples did.
     
  24. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    There is something to be said about having too many models confusing customers and diluting your brand. Simplifying the brand was one of the first things Jobs did when he returned to Apple.


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  25. clevin macrumors G3

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    I dont know where you come from with that? a company's success = income-expense.

    Palm has 1/26 of expense of apple, what do you think their income should be to cover it?

    Isn't that business 101?

    how long they are in business means alot? Apple is in computer business even longer than Microsoft, does that mean it has to sold more computers than PC? NO, nobody care that, as long as apple get more income than expense, they are in good hand.
    why exactly you can blatantly making up statement without a thread of source? and expect people to believe? fake sold out? how fake? you sneaked into sprint store storage room?

    baseless statement is crap. there is no way around that.

    well, the numbers are floating around, from wsj to engadget, you have a different number? how about cite some credible sources?
     

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