People moved in to the age of reason in the 18th century and found it wanting. That's why there's still religion.
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People moved in to the age of reason in the 18th century and found it wanting. That's why there's still religion.
Yay you read or heard about the Christopher Hitchens book! Try reading more than one book.
Apparently to some, it is the end of the world.
That's a dangerous path you're walking on.
Also, there's a movement called "scientology" that begs to differ.
Just a disclaimer; I was just trying to make a joke... I like Apple and their products. And I don't like religion.
Yes, an issue that needs to be resolved is that a bunch of morons who believe a fairy tale designed to control the poor and enrich and empower the originators and keeper of the tale have an inordinate amount of influence over the people who are capable of thinking for ourselves. Religion is awful and responsible for a horrifying amount of conflict, death and misery. Plenty of other things are as well, of course, but religion brings nothing positive to the table that cannot be had in less ridiculous ways.
I think the ignorance is yours as I wasn't referencing the Berlin wall as a direct comparison to this 'Trump' wall. It is a divide amongst people and sooner or later (should it even get built), there will be a huge campaign to bring it down.
The fact that the scientific method cannot be used to disprove something that is ridiculous doesn't make that ridiculous thing true.
Why don't you tell us what kind of scientific credentials you have that make you a good person to talk about the scientific method?
Because you clearly have no understanding of it or basic logic if you think that the inability to disprove something makes it somehow defensible.
A good example of why your argument holds no water is the Russell's teapot, a humorous thought-experiment from Russell Bertrand.
A space-orbiting teapot that is too far away and too small for any equipment to resolve would be impossible to disprove, since there would be no way, other than to find such a thing, to disprove it.
Other good examples of this kind are Tinkerbell, ghosts, Yahweh, etc etc, all of which are simply ridiculous imaginations that cannot be disproven, but should be discarded by adults with a functioning cerebrum.
For some people, receiving an iPhone two days late could be the end of the world. Apple products have saved at least two lives this year: http://www.bidnessetc.com/53005-apple-incs-aapl-apple-watchs-heart-monitor-saves-teens-life/
The pope hasn't saved any lives and presides over an organization that has killed millions of people and continues to rape vast numbers of children. Heck, the pope emeritus made his career in the church by running the department that moves around priests accused of raping children so that they cannot be prosecuted.
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I do know that UPS does allow packages to be held at major local distribution centers for pickup by the customer (I've done that before when I lived in the Bay Area). As such, Apple could ask that the iPhone 6s and 6s+ units be held at certain distribution centers in the Philadelphia and New York City areas so the customer can get the phone at the distribution center.
Are we competing on who's more delusional? Asking a dead guy to pray for you seems like a winner to me.
I was raised and educated to respect science. And organized religion and I just didn't hit it off because I found too much bigotry in it. So I don't want to believe in religion for the same reason a lot of people here seem to not want to. But...I've seen too much. And among them a few things that seem miraculous, which I'll keep to myself. This thread is getting ridiculous enough.
I don't think it's bragging to say I am a reasonably intelligent college educated person. And because I do appreciate science I won't toss out the evidence I've experienced no matter how odd and lacking a rational explanation it all may be. I will just assume science hasn't made a sufficiently study of everything under the sun yet. And that religion and folklore may not be entirely worthless. There may yet be common ground between science and religion upon which to expand our knowledge.
Besides, it's an open conspiracy that the religious texts most popularly accepted and consulted in modern times are woefully incomplete and not always accurately translated. And then people tend to read these texts as step by step instruction manuals on how they're supposed to approach modern life and it often just doesn't turn out well. Especially when common sense and compassion get tossed out in favor of primitive, barbarous points of view. It ends up reflecting poorly on religion, I admit. Actually, even Jesus made that observation.
But I see something a bit different when I read some of the Bible stories and some ancient Hindu stories and some parts of Muslim lore. God's description of himself as being Alpha and Omega and existing outside of time is actually quite remarkable as he describes his relationship to time very different to how ancient man could have perceived it. It fits more with what modern scientists theorize about the nature of time.
I think there is more to the old religions than meets the eye. I would feel rather foolish to dismiss anything out of hand. I think maybe the knowledge of ancient man got fragmented into stylized accounts and replicated amongst different cultures and each old religion holds a piece of a bigger puzzle.
I don't think it's bragging to say I am a reasonably intelligent college educated person. And because I do appreciate science I won't toss out the evidence I've experienced no matter how odd and lacking a rational explanation it all may be. I will just assume science hasn't made a sufficiently study of everything under the sun yet. And that religion and folklore may not be entirely worthless. There may yet be common ground between science and religion upon which to expand our knowledge.
Besides, it's an open conspiracy that the religious texts most popularly accepted and consulted in modern times are woefully incomplete and not always accurately translated. And then people tend to read these texts as step by step instruction manuals on how they're supposed to approach modern life and it often just doesn't turn out well. Especially when common sense and compassion get tossed out in favor of primitive, barbarous points of view. It ends up reflecting poorly on religion, I admit. Actually, even Jesus made that observation.
But I see something a bit different when I read some of the Bible stories and some ancient Hindu stories and some parts of Muslim lore. God's description of himself as being Alpha and Omega and existing outside of time is actually quite remarkable as he describes his relationship to time very different to how ancient man could have perceived it. It fits more with what modern scientists theorize about the nature of time.
I think there is more to the old religions than meets the eye. I would feel rather foolish to dismiss anything out of hand. I think maybe the knowledge of ancient man got fragmented into stylized accounts and replicated amongst different cultures and each old religion holds a piece of a bigger puzzle.
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I find the "hopes" that people have in this "pope" pretty amusing, they demonstrate how far apart reality and "religion" are. Here you have a whole bunch of "Christians" that are hoping - acutally they are BEGGING for it - that some progressive "pope" can unite these two worlds and catch up with a society that has been moving along on hyper-speed over the past few decades, compared to the centuries before.
But a) as soon as this "pope" is dead, it's all up to Vatican State to come up with a new one, what are the chances that they will consider someone again who is supposed to be somewhat "modern" (which I personally find laughable, he still spouts the misanthropic junk that is part of his job, it's a shame that people even are happy about a "pope" pointing out child-abuse cases, why is this whole degenerate system treated as if it's separate from the rest of society?)
b) This "pope" does not have any authority to change anything of the relatively vile and misanthropic ideology of "Christianity" in first place. He cannot turn the "'God' is always watching you and wants you to behave by our rules*" into a "Yay, even YOU can be a unicorn every day and isn't life amazing!?!" philosophy.
"*'love the sinner hate the sin', you live your life like you want and you'll burn in ***** hell! There, now isn't that a loving choice?"
Oh, on topic: Not a fan of why it's delayed but sometimes there are circumstances that require some tolerance. I can understand that everyone is on high alert, considering what a pig that guy is.. lol , just joking, really he's just utterly boring, but the masses require him and apparently other cultists find him a worthy target, so to at least keep the streets clean, it is not a bad measure to take.
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Where did anyone say that "Apple is a 'Church'" (except for you, conveniently, that's why you don't count)?
People are disappointed about their phones maybe not being delivered on time because some circumstances (in this case a "religion") are causing an inconvenience, why not complain about it, especially if that mythology isn't really too interesting for those people?
It's kind of ironic that you bring the term "Church" into the discussion while not seeing the issue itself.
People treat Apple like a religion now, they fawn over the iPhone like it is their first born. The fact that people are having panic attacks over their phone being a few days late is trivial when we have refuges fleeing Syria with just the clothes off their backs. People need to really get their priorities in order, we have let technology rule everything. Yes I love my iPhone but who cares if it is a day or 2 late. it's just a phone not the cure for cancer.
Actuall, if the Pope can influence people to change their minds on current issues then it will be up to the next guy to win them back.
Isn't it a good thing that the Pope wants to be more modern?
It doesn't affect me at all, so technically I couldn't give a ****. But in general, as long as the "Catholic Church" is out there trying to lure new members, yes, they will benefit from a more realistic and current view of society. I just doubt that he'll leave a foot print that will convince others to follow.