If Apple ever made it so Developers did not need a Mac OS to build iOS/Mac Apps I think you would see a mass exodus from Apple HW.
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Popular Mac Developer Slams Apple for 'Sad State of Macintosh Hardware'
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This article refers to the entire Mac lineup, not just the iMac Pro.
A longtime coming, Apple should be ashamed at the current state of the Mac, sadly Apple has to be literally publicly shamed into taking action, if any at all
Dumped Apple for all professional purpose, nor have I observed so many speak of abandoning the platform and follow through. For many professional users Apple is now little more than a company of excuses...
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My Mac is getting close to 5 years old. If I were to replace it (no plans to), I'd want to buy 2018 tech, not pay a premium price for something that's outdated before I open the box.
He was responding to my post about the iMac Pro specifically, which was in response to another iMac Pro post.
I still disagree that those prices are in any way "reasonable" as the first post suggested. I would classify them as outrageous, honestly.
You have to read the context in which people post. I was replying specifically to this post.
“You have to be kidding, a base iMac Pro is $5k and a fully loaded iMac Pro is like $13,200.”
That only mentions iMac Pro not Mac Pro and not the entire lineup. The Mac Pro, Mac Mini and MacBook Air are all old stuff and not worth buying. Probably not worth it at any price but much less at current retail.
Well to be fair, it is not just Apple; this has been an issue with the whole computer market. Everyone is focused on pumping out technology for the most productive cash cows, AKA Smartphones. So a lot of computer technology has stagnated in recent years. Both software and hardware markets have been effected by the smartphone market. Perhaps in about another five years+ it will level out on its own.
You will probably be able to have that in October. Of course it will be Coffee Lake & Whisky Lake and the problem is Cannon Lake will be out just a few months after that sort of how they shipped the new gens with Skylake when Kaby Lake was just about to come out. Unfortunately Intel doesn’t release all of the CPUs Apple needs at the same time. Other manufacturers refresh as soon as something new is available. They don’t wait until every variant is ready.
What about the iMac Pro! Would it really be so hard to sell an iMac Pro in a box without a screen?
I was also thinking about this. A lot of resources that would’ve gone into PCs have been diverted to mobile since mobile is really the most lucrative segment today. Most people who aren’t creative types or comp sci major enthusiasts and are no longer studying can get by just fine with a phone and tablet. A lot of people I know are still using a decade old notebook or desktop that they will never upgrade for when they need to write and print a document or spreadsheet.
Ok. I got impression people arguing about all macs lineup. About mac mini I completely agree with you.
Oh my, I forgot about PC market since 2011.
Ok, I was wrong.
I may add situation could be worse in the following years. So probably these alarming articles and discussions could be good for all mac consumers, but today situation is mostly fine.
That’s probably what they will do with the Mac Pro. They should really make their own displays again. Selling a Mac Pro without a Cinema Display is really a missed opportunity. Their displays were expensive but great.
Well the way technology is changing, it’s not always for the better. Sometimes new technology is made before you see or fix the problems of the tech you made the year before. Some of products and software in the Microsoft/Windows world may have the latest but also have their set of problems. Maybe Apple has tried some of the newest technology, but it doesn’t work with how macOS operates or another internal part doesn’t work with their protypes. We don’t know. Would you rather they build something with the latest tech, but has tons of problems? Computers are more expensive than the phones so I think people would be pissed if the next product had the latest technology, but ran like a piece of junk.
They didn’t have to upgrade anything in 2017, but they did. People shouldn’t complain that there isn’t anything now. And maybe there will be, but they don’t want to announce the way they always have. Maybe something will happen next month. We don’t know!
I never said people should buy older technology, that’s 3-5 years old. I said it’s a shame that the ones that haven’t been updated in 4-5 years haven’t been updated.
I also don’t think iPhones should be updated that much either.
Apple needs more transparency in why it’s taking longer and maybe people wouldn’t be so pissed that new hardware doesn’t come out every year. They should also offer lower prices at a certain point if that tech isn’t being updated. And if they aren’t going to update something at all, they shouldn’t sell it anymore and just offers support to those who do have the older tech.
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Have you seen those AMD Threadripper hackintoshes? Holy crap, for like $1,000 you can get a Mac that runs circles around an iMac 'Pro' that costs $5,000... and ZERO upgrade path, LOL.
Considering every year there are CPU and GPU improvements coming from Intel, NVIDIA and AMD, Apple needs to be on top of the game.
It is sad that one needs to buy a Mac with the understanding that its hardware might be a year to two or three years out. That is why I only buy when there are changes in the line and usually the last model of the previous line. I can do with one computer every 3 to 4 years, but others might not. Furthermore it requires thought from the buyer in order to get something that is fresh yet matured, and not simply something that is way over matured.
Its becoming really complex to buy a Mac with Apple's policy. They should refresh every year for consumer sake and that is it!!! Release Macs like they do with the iPhone, MacBook Pro 3, 3S, 4, 4S and keep the older for time yet a tad cheaper ...
It is sad that one needs to buy a Mac with the understanding that its hardware might be a year to two or three years out. That is why I only buy when there are changes in the line and usually the last model of the previous line. I can do with one computer every 3 to 4 years, but others might not. Furthermore it requires thought from the buyer in order to get something that is fresh yet matured, and not simply something that is way over matured.
Its becoming really complex to buy a Mac with Apple's policy. They should refresh every year for consumer sake and that is it!!! Release Macs like they do with the iPhone, MacBook Pro 3, 3S, 4, 4S and keep the older for time yet a tad cheaper ...
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Everything is outdated before we open the box because we are told that every company is constantly working on the next best thing. I just said this in a reply that after a certain point, they need to lower their prices on older tech. But we never get that from Apple directly, only from retailers that sell their products.
I can't help but remember the infamous presentation where they declared using 5 year old computers "sad".
In a years time the Mac Mini will be 5 years old.
I nearly picked one up a couple of years ago but didn't because it was already outdated.
In a years time the Mac Mini will be 5 years old.
I nearly picked one up a couple of years ago but didn't because it was already outdated.
How is it that companies with less resources than Apple are able to be on the cutting edge? Likewise we're not talking about systems that are a generation old...we're talking systems that are several generations old.
As far as quality let's just say that Apple, despite claims to the contrary, is no better than other companies. Apple's history is littered with problematic systems. Even their professional grade Mac Pro has a design flaw which resulted in less than reliable performance.
No, the reality is Apple doesn't give a damn about the Macintosh. Anyone who relies on it for their livelihood needs to have their head examined. Unless there is no other option remaining with Apple is a fools errand.
That seems likely, but hasn't Intel already released some Cannon Lake chips this year? This situation reminds me a bit of 2013 when I was eagerly awaiting for new MBPs to be announced at WWDC only for Apple to wait until October to refresh them, but the MBPs did ship with the Haswell architecture that had just released that year.
I am referring to consumers, and the public at large (who are consumers). So, no, it is true for the industry as a whole which has been experiencing decline for nearly a decade now.Simply not true... only a tiny, tiny percentage of productive work gets done on mobile devices (I don't mean email and comms) and work is a pretty big part of life
If a company no longer fills your needs, switch to one that does. I switched to Linux Mint and Android and couldn't be happier. I should have done it sooner. My Intel NUC makes my Mac Mini feel like a dinosaur for half the price.
Products do not need to be updated every year. That is financially impossible for the average consumer to update every year. Now the products that haven’t been updated in 4-5 years, that is a shame, but a year? Come on! Now if a product is defective, then yes but some of the line up, you’re asking for a speed bump. If you bought the last refresh and you’re asking for a speed bump, is there really something wrong?
Only a select few can buy new Apple products every year. Apple does need to work on their OS because the OS causes more physical problems then slightly aging parts (minus the keyboard debacle with MacBooks). Every two years should be the minimum for a refresh. And if they really aren’t going to update a product, be honest so people can think of the alternative product to get. If someone wants to stay with Apple, they will.
Be transparent Apple, but people...an every year upgrade seems silly. Shouldn’t we want products to last?
Okay, mini rant over
How come new cars are released every year when I only buy one every 10? Do modern cars only last a year?
I would argue the decline is due to computers which are "good enough" and not because they're being replaced by mobile devices.
No sheet Masked Man, Timmy's Apple has become the enemy of Mac enthusiasts. Apple spends money on everything but Macs. I really want to see a regime change. It's time for a young, enthusiastic computer user to take the helm. There should be more to Apple than IOS, ghetto headphones and selling content. Very sad.
I understand that computer advancements have slowed, however, these wait times between significant refreshes are getting really long!
I humbly suggest that, if Apple isn't going to be releasing major updates in a more timely fashion, then they engineer ways that users can upgrade key components easily.