Apple sells about 4 million Macs every quarter and they will keep selling 4 million Macs every quarter because they are legendary for longevity. I challenge anyone to find a consumer line of windows laptops that has a PROVEN record of longer lasting performance. Nope. So, this thread comes across as whiny and pretentious
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Bumping processor's to the latest generation and video card specs doesn't call for a redesign.
Which other computer manufacturers follow a 2 year cycle on upgrades?
False. I’ve personally used an 18-core iMac Pro and it smokes everything in the same price range that runs the garbage known as windows
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Yes. Changes in thermal output in such an enclosed space would force a redesign internally. You make it sound too simplistic
I'm sorry, it's not hate. Again, taking a small thing or making a false statement as fact and trying to explode it into a big premise that is no more true than the false statement.
Why do that? Is it because you can't stand it when people disagree with you? I'm not angry with you and I don't think anybody else is either. We just want better and more advanced hardware choices; why don't you want that too?
Even so, I'm okay with you even though you disagree with me. I won't just stand here and do nothing about it of course, but I certainly wouldn't accuse you of hate.
I suggest rather than listing things in your signature that will never happen [but you think are fails as that is only because that is what you want] and are pure wishful thinking, you do stand up and realise that Apple wont ever deliver the computer you want [except maybe 32gb RAM].
When was the last time Apple serviced the enthusiast market exactly? The cheesegrater pro and the Mac mini [old style] - so thats how long ago exactly, and you expect them to change now?
I wish everyone would get their heads out of the sand and realise their precious Apple doesn't make the computers they want and are not going to. Either embrace it or go elsewhere - very simple ...............
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I tend to agree with this though - the iMac pro is certainly not over priced.
Some closing comments from me for tonight. I have things to do and sleep to get, since I have a very busy workday ahead of me Monday.
So, here it is:
I am waiting (and hoping) for an MBP upgrade that is a REAL upgrade. I wish to buy a laptop with a GTX 1080 inside, 64 GB RAM (upgradable to 120 GB), and with the ability to add up to 8 TB of internal disk or SSD storage. Oh yeah, and it needs to come in a 17" form factor, and I don't care if it's thick or heavy.
I already have all that capability in my current Windows 10 workstation (that I built), except for the graphic card. My next laptop will have those features/capabilities, even if I must choose something other than a Mac. The current crop of machines from MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, Clevo, Eurocom, Sager, and others will support advanced hardware components and also will be user-upgradable with respect to memory, disk/SSD, CPU, and GPU options. And they'll come in a 17" form factor too.
Apple's window of opportunity is quickly passing by, because I plan to buy a laptop before the end of the year.
I also am looking forward to the iPhone X2 Plus, or whatever name they give to the larger iPhone X in the fall. If (ahem) "rumors" are true, that device will finally be a decent upgrade for my iPhone 6 Plus. And yes, that's for the hardware. And yes, I probably would have replaced my iPhone with something later this year...something else. If Apple's X2 doesn't come out, or is disappointing in any significant way, well; they may lose me anyway.
But that doesn't change my point. Apple has the power to draw consumers closer, or push them further away. Right now they are pushing people away. I hope that this changes.
Bye and have a nice week! Don't stay up too late with this stuff...you need your sleep.
So, here it is:
I am waiting (and hoping) for an MBP upgrade that is a REAL upgrade. I wish to buy a laptop with a GTX 1080 inside, 64 GB RAM (upgradable to 120 GB), and with the ability to add up to 8 TB of internal disk or SSD storage. Oh yeah, and it needs to come in a 17" form factor, and I don't care if it's thick or heavy.
I already have all that capability in my current Windows 10 workstation (that I built), except for the graphic card. My next laptop will have those features/capabilities, even if I must choose something other than a Mac. The current crop of machines from MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, Clevo, Eurocom, Sager, and others will support advanced hardware components and also will be user-upgradable with respect to memory, disk/SSD, CPU, and GPU options. And they'll come in a 17" form factor too.
Apple's window of opportunity is quickly passing by, because I plan to buy a laptop before the end of the year.
I also am looking forward to the iPhone X2 Plus, or whatever name they give to the larger iPhone X in the fall. If (ahem) "rumors" are true, that device will finally be a decent upgrade for my iPhone 6 Plus. And yes, that's for the hardware. And yes, I probably would have replaced my iPhone with something later this year...something else. If Apple's X2 doesn't come out, or is disappointing in any significant way, well; they may lose me anyway.
But that doesn't change my point. Apple has the power to draw consumers closer, or push them further away. Right now they are pushing people away. I hope that this changes.
Bye and have a nice week! Don't stay up too late with this stuff...you need your sleep.
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That’s fantastic! I’m glad you’re happy with it. But even so, surely you can understand that there is miles of difference between it and the iPhone X compared to the difference between a 5 y/o Mac and today’s Mac.
I'll be going that way myself.
I've been waiting a couple of years for a decent upgrade for my late 2011 15" mbp, 500MB SSD, 1TB spinner, 16GB RAM machine. Love it to bits but it's not going to last forever (I use it 13+ hours a day to make music, video's and surf-tha-youtubes).
I was waiting years for Apple to start using larger SSD's as standard. Never happened.
Then they upped the price by a ridiculous amount (£2700 for a 15" mbp with a 512GB HD!), dropped the battery size, dropped magsafe, only gave you 4 daft USB-C ports of which one had to be used for charging, made the keyboard garbage..... Everything got worse and worse for a lot more money. Nah... Game over man, game over.
Not looking forward to going back to Windows though.....
You seem to be making two claims that underpin your argument...1. That developing pro hardware would grind Apple to a screeching halt in terms of their other products. 2. That developing pro hardware would cost so much that Apple could never turn a profit on it. I think you are better off simply making the argument that they are a design company now (and therefore those design principles conflict with functional principles of the pro crowd). As multiple folks have said, the old cheese grater model is beloved...creating a desktop system with a flat, standardized motherboard and then choosing components to put in it is not difficult and does not require scads of engineers to accomplish. A skeleton crew could do it. Further, Apple makes money on nearly everything it does. The argument that they'd lose money on pro hardware may be true if you think they could be making more money elsewhere...but given that argument they should completely scuttle the computer business. They don't seem to want to do that. Apple will charge a premium for anything they choose to do and will make a profit. Further, while not many mainstreamers are particularly interested in what CPU is offered or how much RAM, there are a fair amount of them who will choose whatever is simply "the best." I'm sure some "pro" hardware would be picked up by people who have too much money for their own good, especially when it comes to laptops. Most people would argue that given Apple's size, they probably could manage a small group dedicated to this endeavor that wouldn't much up their iPad, watches, or watch bands divisions. Given their statement that something is in the pipeline, I really do think they are (eventually) going to release a Mac Pro that is at least closer in approximation to many desires voiced here, but probably somewhat divergent, as well.
Some closing comments from me for tonight. I have things to do and sleep to get, since I have a very busy workday ahead of me Monday.
So, here it is:
I am waiting (and hoping) for an MBP upgrade that is a REAL upgrade. I wish to buy a laptop with a GTX 1080 inside, 64 GB RAM (upgradable to 120 GB), and with the ability to add up to 8 TB of internal disk or SSD storage. Oh yeah, and it needs to come in a 17" form factor, and I don't care if it's thick or heavy.
I already have all that capability in my current Windows 10 workstation (that I built), except for the graphic card. My next laptop will have those features/capabilities, even if I must choose something other than a Mac. The current crop of machines from MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, Clevo, Eurocom, Sager, and others will support advanced hardware components and also will be user-upgradable with respect to memory, disk/SSD, CPU, and GPU options. And they'll come in a 17" form factor too.
Apple's window of opportunity is quickly passing by, because I plan to buy a laptop before the end of the year.
I also am looking forward to the iPhone X2 Plus, or whatever name they give to the larger iPhone X in the fall. If (ahem) "rumors" are true, that device will finally be a decent upgrade for my iPhone 6 Plus. And yes, that's for the hardware. And yes, I probably would have replaced my iPhone with something later this year...something else. If Apple's X2 doesn't come out, or is disappointing in any significant way, well; they may lose me anyway.
But that doesn't change my point. Apple has the power to draw consumers closer, or push them further away. Right now they are pushing people away. I hope that this changes.
Bye and have a nice week! Don't stay up too late with this stuff...you need your sleep.
I am afraid to say you are definitely not Apples customer with those specs, so my focus if I was you would be to make a decision of one of the workstation laptops you list. Enjoy the sleep.
Apple has always been a design company. That much hasn't changed.
Who knows...it could also give a company an opportunity to perfect their flawed keyboard design...
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You keep saying that. "Has always been." Someone already corrected you on that in the thread...I think you're better off saying "Design has always been an important aspect of Apple and over the last decade may have become their priority."
If hackintosh folks can do it, why not Apple?
Case similar to cheese grater Mac Pro.
Support for various connections. USB 3. TB, Ethernet, etc.
Easily opened and upgradable. No glue. They can make a small list of fully compatible components: memory, graphic cards, SSD, etc. Have all components user availability including motherboard. They can make their own custom motherboard, just let everything connected to it be replaceable.
In other words don’t get fancy and just build what the hackintosh community builds. That will take almost zero R&D and it’s what the pro community wants. A hackintosh without all the hackintosh negatives.
Case similar to cheese grater Mac Pro.
Support for various connections. USB 3. TB, Ethernet, etc.
Easily opened and upgradable. No glue. They can make a small list of fully compatible components: memory, graphic cards, SSD, etc. Have all components user availability including motherboard. They can make their own custom motherboard, just let everything connected to it be replaceable.
In other words don’t get fancy and just build what the hackintosh community builds. That will take almost zero R&D and it’s what the pro community wants. A hackintosh without all the hackintosh negatives.
What new initiatives? Walkie-talkies and pride faces? Other than rumours, we have no clear evidence of self-driving cars. Apple takes their time with things, and rests on their laurels. I'd hardly describe anything they're doing as "full-throttle".
Unless you're not much of a tech-savvy person, you're always going to need an actual computer to do things. IOS devices are supplementary devices that are convenient, but inefficient for true productivity. Not to mention, developers need Macs to develop iOS apps.
It doesn't take a genius to see that the Mac is a very important cog in the Apple ecosystem. It's the pros who need need Macs and are the ones the layperson turns to for advice on which brand to choose. Just because there are more people buying phones more often than Macs doesn't mean that the Mac isn't important.
[doublepost=1529289614][/doublepost]Apple tried this method before and almost went bankrupt.
Steve isn't around to bail them out this time.
And Macs do exist, just not in the exact shape and form that some users desire. Or are you telling me that an iMac Pro isn't powerful enough to develop iOS apps?
Taking the time to get it right doesn't mean taking their own sweet time.
As for new initiatives,
I just listed some that I am aware of. AR. AR glasses. Continued development on the watch. Health initiatives. You would have to be blind to assume that Apple is coasting along and doing nothing but count their money just because Macs updates have been lacklustre.
Not what I meant. Apple needs to start treating that market with the respect it used to. At one time, modularity was a benefit of Macs. Now, it's nearly impossible, and it treats the professional user as a standard, non-power chump. Apple should be focusing more on helping pro users, even at a break-even, because they are the app developers, the advocates, and the "serious work requires a Mac" crowd - critical to return to a level of professional prominence.
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But it does show that they can't walk and chew gum anymore. Regardless of any R&D, the current-state hardware has no need to fall behind. And yet, here we are. Perception is reality.
I wish they would open source the whole OS X (or X.6 old version) so we could create real hackintosh freely. Maybe we should start a petition to have right this?
Ok I will stop day dreaming and go to bed, but it would be a wonderful day...
Ok I will stop day dreaming and go to bed, but it would be a wonderful day...
Its happening anyway, Apple's just not making money from the OS.They ought to get out of making computers and License the OS or make real Macs.
They could make macs the loss leaders to sell other Apple products.
You're deluded. Apple isn't catering to OS X becoming a gaming centric platform. Metal 2 API flies on AMD hardware and is poorly suited for Nvidia, not to mention the lack of custom ASIC designs from Nvidia.
The upcoming 12nm/7nm options will expand AMD's reach with Apple.
They don't have to cater to OS X becoming a gaming-centric platform, but how about a platform that doesn't restrict you from really gaming if you want to (by way of having more hardware options available)?
Can you elaborate more on how Metal 2 API is better suited for AMD hardware but not Nvidia hardware?
I would love it if they Open Sourced OS X, but I don't think they'll ever do that because of iOS.
They did the same here in Canada. I almost bought a 2015 15" MBP when it came out, at CAD $1999.
Then it jumped to $2499, and now it's $3199 for the current base model 15". Even the 13" MBP is about the price of the 15" a few years ago.
Some of that is due to the dollar, but crikey! I haven't had any issues with Windows on my machines, though there's some things I really dislike regarding their direction (such as forced/permanent updates if you're on a basic version of Windows). But it's much faster and overall very good if you take the time to set it up properly. Hasn't missed a beat for me thus far, at least. Heck, I even enjoy where Linux is at these days with certain flavours.
My current iMac is a "freebie" from my employer who gave it to me after the screen got broken and they decided it wasn't worth the $600 to repair. From my perspective, it was a kick-ass $1500 iMac for the cost of the repair. That came at a great time as my previous iMac had just died, ending a 7-year run.
I can't honestly say I would have purchased another Mac given line-up/prices over the last year or so. I'm a Mac fan, but it's an utter suck-fest right now. It's damn-near embarrassing to admit being a Mac user.
I can't honestly say I would have purchased another Mac given line-up/prices over the last year or so. I'm a Mac fan, but it's an utter suck-fest right now. It's damn-near embarrassing to admit being a Mac user.
At this point, that's the solution I'd prefer. Even if they release new macs now, they're clearly not committed to updating them on a timely basis anymore, so who knows when the next update would be? Let users or third party licensees run OS X on approved hardware.
Not saying it's likely to happen, but that's what I want at this point. Can't trust Apple to update the Mac lineup anymore.
Soon we'll get 8th-gen Intel processors on Macbooks. You're too desperate... even current Lenovo workstations are being sold with 16GB of RAM. Ok, you could fill a Lenovo P50 with 64GB. Perhaps Apple could bring the "Classic" Macbook Pro 15" model back for people who want Mac laptops with a lot of RAM and faster Intel processors as soon as they are launched.
I've already needed 32-64GB on a Macbook when I worked with NLP algorithms, but 16GB are currently more than fine to me, so I don't see the point on carrying a heavy laptop around.
I've already needed 32-64GB on a Macbook when I worked with NLP algorithms, but 16GB are currently more than fine to me, so I don't see the point on carrying a heavy laptop around.
I'm sorry, it's not hate. Again, taking a small thing or making a false statement as fact and trying to explode it into a big premise that is no more true than the false statement.
Why do that? Is it because you can't stand it when people disagree with you? I'm not angry with you and I don't think anybody else is either. We just want better and more advanced hardware choices; why don't you want that too?
Even so, I'm okay with you even though you disagree with me. I won't just stand here and do nothing about it of course, but I certainly wouldn't accuse you of hate.
What is it then which drives Mac users to start flaming Apple in completely unrelated threads such as those on Animoji or watchOS, if not hate? To insult and denigrate the efforts of Apple in these fields, and by extension, the users who do look forward to such features?
This is obviously not going to stop with this thread, and I can only imagine the next non-Mac related thread they are going to pollute next.