If you say that a price is unreasonable, you're commenting on the value of the underlying thing.
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If you say that a price is unreasonable, you're commenting on the value of the underlying thing.
A closer analogy would be if there was another Mac information site that simply linked to the MacRumors forum spaces, but with a nicer interface, and MR decided that it didn't want the forums to appear there anymore. While MR doesn't create the content of the forums, it provides the space and more importantly the name recognition that brings people here to comment on all things Mac in a way that makes it the best place to go for Mac information.
I don't really think there are any truly "good guys" here. Reddit could have handled this much, much better and the admins sounded like jerks every time they opened their mouths. They also accused Selig of statements that he didn't make (and has audio to prove it). Including some third party moderation tools in with the price increase got the moderators all riled up and led to protests. Selig on the other hand has made a bunch of money just providing a link to content he isn't creating, hosting, or providing the "name brand" for. It was a great business model while it lasted, but anyone could see that it wasn't going to last forever. Social media sites are struggling with how to monetize, and having back doors to their content certainly isn't helping that.
Correct. I agree there. Christian did feel it was unreasonably high and said so.
But surely not "dictating"?
I mean, he wasn't pounding his fists on the table, saying I'm not paying a penny over $24.00 per million API calls! Because that's all it's worth!
Use of that word has a huge negative connotation.
He felt it was too high, didn't get anywhere with Reddit on it, and shut things down - just like a number of other apps.
*Edit to add: Don't forget, Reddit also told developers they would be willing to work them and gave them a contact to reach out to if they wanted to discuss it. Developers had every reason to believe to that Reddit would be willing to work with them on the pricing.
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I agree with the second section, but your initial analogy forgot to include the part where MacRumors created an API for the second party to share their data, thus creating the issue.
But that is not “dictating costs”. Most people interviewed say prices are unreasonable for groceries, but that doesn’t dictate costs, it is simply a frustrated observation.
Every developer comment I saw had each one saying they were uncertain they could create a functional business model with the new pricing, including the developer of Narwhal. In that case, if they say a price is unreasonable, they are actually commenting on the value as the cost versus return for the underlying thing. If you pay more than you make, the price is not reasonable to your business. Even if the price was double what Reddit quoted, if they could easily calculate that they could still make money with that, presumably they would have felt the price reasonable (assuming they had enough time to change their business model and code). Value is by no means static in a capitalist economy.
In my opinion people need to blame AI companies for the change in how API's are used (mainly Google) because it is them who have been abusing the free API's with making programs that harvest data so their AI can 'learn'. Such a coincidence isn't it that since the public arrival of AI we have seen companies complain about increases in their API usage. Twitter have made references to it, so has Reddit and MR even reported on it because MR found that Google had been using the website so Google's AI could 'learn'. Then what do we see, Twitter changes it's T&C's to charge huge amounts for it's API and so does Reddit, all done at the same time whilst we see reports of companies AI's harvesting data so their AI bots can learn. Coincidence? I think not.
Edit: Just read this which explains why companies that have a presence on the internet are behaving the way they are with their API's.
metro.co.uk
I wonder how the those on the internet feel about Google saying it will harvest data from 'publicly available sources' to train it's AI. Does this mean it's open season on any internet site that is publicly available? I wonder how many websites will change to make their site 'login only' to prevent them being 'public'.
Edit: Just read this which explains why companies that have a presence on the internet are behaving the way they are with their API's.
Now anything you post publicly online could be used to train Google's AI
Post at your own risk.
metro.co.uk
I wonder how the those on the internet feel about Google saying it will harvest data from 'publicly available sources' to train it's AI. Does this mean it's open season on any internet site that is publicly available? I wonder how many websites will change to make their site 'login only' to prevent them being 'public'.
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I would expect it has been open season for quite a while now. Google has been scraping the Internet since its beginning for its search engine, so it makes sense that one of their main sources for their AI dataset would be to just increase the amount of data they acquire from an index to a full scrape. Isn’t that why search engine companies appear to be leading the AI charge? It is likely already too late to close that barn door.In my opinion people need to blame AI companies for the change in how API's are used (mainly Google) because it is them who have been abusing the free API's with making programs that harvest data so their AI can 'learn'. Such a coincidence isn't it that since the public arrival of AI we have seen companies complain about increases in their API usage. Twitter have made references to it, so has Reddit and MR even reported on it because MR found that Google had been using the website so Google's AI could 'learn'. Then what do we see, Twitter changes it's T&C's to charge huge amounts for it's API and so does Reddit, all done at the same time whilst we see reports of companies AI's harvesting data so their AI bots can learn. Coincidence? I think not.
Edit: Just read this which explains why companies that have a presence on the internet are behaving the way they are with their API's.
Now anything you post publicly online could be used to train Google's AI
Post at your own risk.
I wonder how the those on the internet feel about Google saying it will harvest data from 'publicly available sources' to train it's AI. Does this mean it's open season on any internet site that is publicly available? I wonder how many websites will change to make their site 'login only' to prevent them being 'public'.
Also, probably not a good sign when the engineer resigns and says he regrets working on it. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940
That reminds me… I need to see the Oppenheimer movie when it comes out.
Companies have probably been 'scraping' the internet for years without our knowledge but you must admit it is such a coincidence that at the same time companies producing AI bots announce publicly that they have AI bot's and are teaching them to learn that social media companies and other internet companies report excessive use of their API's, more than before the AI's were announced. Also of concern is how many websites have Google as a 'vendor' because the change in Google's privacy policy would mean that Google could use the changes in the policy on the websites they are a 'vendor' of and thus 'scrape' what ever data they wanted per their sign up agreement to be a 'vendor'.
How many websites that have our data (nearly all) are going to protect us from Google's invasive scraping so it can continue to teach it's AI bot. Virtually none I bet.
I agree. I would think it was less obvious when they were just webcrawling the public internet. Now that they are increasing the breadth for AI and using APIs to glean the more embedded data, I’d expect it is getting worse on both fronts, but their use of the APIs would make it easier for the API providers to see the actual source of their problem.
This being where we are more likely to see 3rd party apps get caught out in the crossfire of companies putting ridiculous pricing on their API's to deter data scraping from AI companies, pricing that the 3rd party app developers will not be able to afford and thus be forced to shutdown.
If you dont understand what a public API is or why it’s useful, as you’ve said now, then no I cant easily *to you*. You literally lack the building block knowledge to understand it. Please instead of commenting ignorant opinions about Apollo “freeloading” go read about what an API is.
You are confusing me with someone else. I have not commented anything about Apollo “freeloading.” That is an issue debated by other people; not me. I would agree that knowledge about how APIs work is essential to that discussion.
Now, how is the third-party app Apollo a “massive” part of Reddit’s business?
Actually they built a platform that people choose to provide content (regular users) and services (moderators) for free. You know like the internet?
Actually they built a platform that people choose to provide content (regular users) and services (moderators) for free. You know like the rest of social media companies?
I mean if the developer is anticipating 250k in refunds and was just working for himself, he had a pretty good gig going. I'm sure the developer is smart enough to go into a new venture and keep on making bank.