What are you talking about? This thread is quite literally about Apollo shutting down. If you don't want to discuss it anymore, there's an unwatch button at the top of the page.
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Popular Reddit App Apollo Shutting Down After Today, Pixel Pals Migration Feature Added
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Isn't this more of a concern for future third-party developers rather than a public relations issue in itself?
The controversy surrounding "amicable and sustainable third-party API access models" may not resonate with the general public or have widespread appeal. It is a topic that might be difficult for most people, including Redditors, to understand. While there have been numerous articles in the tech press discussing it, the protests and discussions surrounding this matter seem to be limited to a specific group of individuals with either technical knowledge or affinity for an app that was used by very few of Reddit's monthly user base (3 out every 1000 users/ 1.5m of the 500m monthly users).
However, if I were an investor in Reddit (which I am not), I would be genuinely concerned about the potential impact of moderators being able to shut down or significantly reduce traffic to large sections of the site by closing or altering popular subreddits. This aspect raises valid business concerns, and it would be essential for Reddit to develop improved tools and processes to safeguard itself against such disruptive actions in the future.
In any case, I genuinely enjoyed reading your post, as it was well-written and thought-provoking.
It's almost like you didn't even read what I wrote and you clearly don't understand the actual timeline of events. At the beginning of the year Reddit said if they where going to change the API it wouldn't be this year and there were no current plans to do so, then flipped the script a few months ago without any details other than "we will be reasonable, we don't want to be Twitter" Then about a month ago gives unreasonable timeline and cost" What AWS does is irrelevant here.
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You answered in response to "There's no evidence to show Apollo brought many users to Reddit. "
Your single, personal usage is largely irrelevant to what I'm discussing.
Have a good one. 👋
Another user's opinion or experience might be of value even if not bringing conclusive evidence to the table.
That user provided their anecdotal experience, which I found interesting so it was valuable to me.
Apollo does the same
Christian thinks it's an iOS bug but it's been happening since 2019
Apollo isn't doing anything better than Reddit with regards to background usage.
1. Apollo suffers from the same issue since 2019. You saying Christian is "abusing the hell out of it"? Or is it just a bug because Christian said so?
2. I have the iPad propped up on my table and leave Twitter on whenever I'm on my PC instead of my Mac. Leaving it on for the whole day probably gets attention from me for about a cumulative 30 mins - 1 hour. Protip: next time don't assume things. 👍
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I would argue that this isn't something that was widely prevalent in Apollo like the Reddit app. As a heavy user over the last handful of years, I've never had this happen on my device or family's devices. Did it happen? The threads definitely indicate it did - but I'd argue those were isolated events and not something the app was known for. I used the App mostly on my iPhone, iPad when I had one, and a little on my M1 Macs.
How do you know it's widely prevalent in Reddit much more than Apollo?
Reddit has millions more users, perhaps an order of magnitude more users, than Apollo. So just seeing more reports of it happening doesn't mean it's widely prevalent. My iPhone shows 4m of background usage for reddit for the past 10 days. My anecdotal experience is just as credible as your experience.
I usually chalked it up to the lack of ads. But my statement is only based on personal experience - my own and my family's experience.
It's unknown if ads are causing this. If that were the case, my iPhone should have more background time since my iPhone location data is much more valuable than coming from my iPad.
Protestors seem to answer this question in a variety of ways:
-They inflate the number of Apollo's active users as a "massive" part of Reddit. Facts show they're likely a fraction of a percentage point of total monthly active users.
-They overstate the value of Apollo's user base as "elite Redditors who generate most of the popular content." You see this less so here but the sentiment is prevalent elsewhere that Apollo users simply mean more than others.
-Personal experiences, anecdotes leading to hasty generalizations.
I have Reddit premium (no ads) and am showing over the last 10 days: 1h 24m background for 16h 33m on screen. Background refresh is on.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he deleted his account, considering MacRumors is allowing posts that are personal attacks on him. I didn’t realize he was a member and just thought it was pretty bad that they were allowing some over the line comments about the developer, but then noticed he had posted in one thread, and realized they are allowing this on an actual forum member. Honestly, to me, that makes MacRumors look far worse than Reddit or Selig in this story.
Good point! Thanks for the specific numbers.
I do wonder how many of those 500m that Reddit count simply close the window when they get the “Open in Safari or Reddit app” prompt after clicking on a Google link, though.
I do speak from personal experience that I have never experienced background app usage from Apollo that was anywhere near as high as what was recorded with yours. I usually use it for over an hour a day and never observed it to be of concern.
I suspect it’s something similar to what Facebook is known to do - keep the app active so it can continue to spy on its user.
It would be good to turn off background app refresh for said app or maybe force close it every time. Forget about trying to be defensive and to compare Apollo with Reddit at this point. Seems like it would be a real drain on battery.
Can you give details on how exactly they “strip out the ads”? I’m interested in exactly how that works.
I’m also curious how much one is supposed to pay for a free API, as apparently you have a different opinion than Webster’s.
They don’t strip out the ads.
As has been pointed out several times, Reddit does not serve ads through the API.
Yeah, that was my point. Pretty hard to remove something that isn’t there, so I would love to see that code!
Also hard to pay for something free, unless you make a donation, and making a donation seems to be a huge issue for some, too.
The guy was cashing in by allowing users to circumvent the advertisements that pay for reddit to function. I never used Apollo so it doesnt effect me. 🤷🏾♂️
EDIT: It doesnt matter if the api has the ads or not. Its not available as an option so reddit has to charge the fee.
EDIT: It doesnt matter if the api has the ads or not. Its not available as an option so reddit has to charge the fee.
As was every third party developer because that’s how the API worked.
Why are you ignoring the other users who experience the problem with Apollo being run for many hours in the background? Weird take to use personal experience as the ultimate basis for your arguments.
I don't care about battery on my iPad.
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Screen record tapping on settings -> delete account -> confirm -> post. Very easy.