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that AMA is absolutely comical. Spez and the other admins with the boilerplate non-answers.

Also love how one of spez's comments originally had an A: on it lol, he edited it but not quick enough
This is typical Reddit behavior. Every time they piss users off they do an AMA where they don't actually answer any questions to do the "We see you, we hear you!" B.S. routine.
 
Elon should buy Reddit.

I bought Apollo, and I am not going to ask for a refund. This is not Apollo's fault, so I'm not going to penalize the developer for some idiotic decision made by C-level suites.

Seriously, Reddit should buy Apollo, and make it their official application. Pay the dev a couple of million bucks and everyone is happy.

I've seen a lot of people complaining they are closing their Reddit accounts either as a tantrum fit or in solidarity with the "cause". This happened at Twitter too, and ok Twitter lost 10k people and Mastodon picked them all up and it's been great. But Twitter is chugging along nicely after all of that.

Which federated platforms are people thinking of using after they furiously leave Reddit? I found a few:

https://getaether.net/
https://lemmy.ml
https://kbin.social/

Also why not Mastodon?
Kbin has a lot of traction as a true reddit replacement from what I've been seeing. Lemmy is okay, but the tankie dev is offputting for some. I'm personally looking at Tildes. When Twitter shut off their API, I swapped over to mastodon and haven't looked back. The instance I'm on is actually quite pleasant and reminds me of the before-times when social media still had corners/niches that weren't complete cesspools. Tildes has this same energy for me currently.
 
I pretty much use reddit on mobile/ipad via apollo, so I guess I'm done. Thats a bummer.

I will not be asking for an Apollo refund. I got so much value out of it!

I guess I get some more time back to spend on other things.
 
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Imagine telling Wal-mart you will use their entire infrastructure for FREE to sell your own stuff and getting mad they now want to make you pay to use their store to sell your goods all while already charging users a monthly/yearly fee.
It's like asking wal-mart to use a corner of their sidewalk to sell hotdogs, and they want to charge you 3/4 of the store's lease.
 
Imagine telling Wal-mart you will use their entire infrastructure for FREE to sell your own stuff and getting mad they now want to make you pay to use their store to sell your goods all while already charging users a monthly/yearly fee.
It's not the fact that they want to charge. It's the fact that it would add up to far more than this guy is earning from his own app, and he only has 30 days to come up with a new model for making money.

Going from being free to $20m is... a huge jump.
 
Imagine crying for an app that didn't pay Reddit using their data for years. Reddit is not a charity.

Apollo can raise money through advertisement or include 3rd party subscriptions via the Apple Store to keep it running, but instead they choose to blackmail Reddit.

Reddit is going to do an IPO soon and investors want to see money, it is as simple as that.
Imagine caring about an app dying that you don’t even use or have no material impact on you in any way, shape or form, and pretend to know more on how to keep Apollo afloat Than dev himself or idk, a licensed/qualified financial advisor? Maybe pay some attention to understand the nuance?

But no. Let’s do none of that. Of course Reddit wants to go IPO and investor absolutely want to see massive returns of their investment, which, may or may not happen. Sacrifice everything that brings Reddit to today’s glory for money, and only for money. Thankfully Reddit is not necessity.
 
Just greed driving a series of errors and missteps.

Better way to go about this would be for users to go to Reddit, put in their credit card to cover their own usage to be billed monthly, get a token, and feed the token into Apollo, replacing the Apollo "master" token we all browsed through. Apollo can be billed separately however it will be billed (subscription, one-time, whatever), but Apollo shouldn't bill me for my Reddit usage -- Reddit should. Maybe that was on the table at one point or another, maybe it still is, but the narrative is painful.

Let's not make Reddit out to be innocent in this regardless. Yes, the API was costing them money to run. Yes, third-party apps were going around ads. But they still got the engagement and data, things that definitely help drive this imminent IPO valuation. This could have been a longer-term dialog in the spirit of partnership, not a "we need to do this right now, you have 30-60-90 days to comply" with ultimatums.

Heck -- even acquiring some of these third-parties would have made sense. They bought Alien Blue a few years ago. Certainly could have worked out a deal to buy Apollo, RIF, etc. I don't know of anyone that loves the official Reddit app if they've used any of the larger alternatives like Apollo.

I'm in the corporate world, I get both sides. Just unfortunate nonetheless, feels like a cleaner path could have been forged.
Better path costs money and time to design, to evaluate, to test, before seeing any result. Instant gratification is so much more satisfying than careful long term planning. Humans are notoriously bad at this. Everyone want quick bucks over long Term benefits. However, the other side of the coin is things are running so fast and so intense, there’s no time to articulate a careful path, to consider everything, to plan for the future. Hence the vicious cycle of short-sighted approach to keep us afloat while sacrificing the future, reinforcing the notion, rinse and repeat.

Apollo is just one more victim of this quick buck mentality that will never change.
 
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It's a little like tacitly consenting to someone helping sell your cookies for years, asking nothing in return, then suddenly demanding that they pay you twenty million dollars for the next batch, and they have 30 days to figure out how to do that. There is a much more reasonable way to change the terms, but that approach would be essentially cutting off the cookie distributor.

Reddit has every right to monetize their API if they choose to do that. This wasn't about monetization, it was about cutting out third party apps.
I’d argue this is not just about third party apps. It’s companies collectively ignoring what made them to this day and think they have unlimited power and can boss users around whatever they like. Yes, stakeholders give them money to run the company, but that’s only half the story. Apple would not survive long if they cannot sell a single iPhone for a year I assume, and Reddit would die quickly if no one uses their platform.

However, one also have to see the consumer base is made of people with unique thoughts, ideas, personal situations, belief, and more. Collective bargain require people‘s common interest to be in grave danger, which, in Reddit’s case, I dunno if that’s what’s happening. Will the impact be big enough to let Reddit IPO fail?
 
It is done.
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All comments and posts deleted from Reddit, and my account has been deleted as well.

It may not amount to anything, but let it not be said that I don’t put my money where my mouth is.
 
My account has been deleted as well on Reddit.

I use the browser `console` to wipe my account the fastest way. https://www.guidingtech.com/how-to-delete-all-reddit-comments-posts/

Just follow the site instructions;

JavaScript:
var $domNodeToIterateOver = $('.del-button .option .yes'),
    currentTime = 0,
    timeInterval = 1000;
$domNodeToIterateOver.each(function() {
  var _this = $(this);
  currentTime = currentTime + timeInterval;
  setTimeout(function() {
    _this.click();
  }, currentTime);
});
 
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My account has been deleted as well on Reddit.

I use the browser `console` to wipe my account the fastest way. https://www.guidingtech.com/how-to-delete-all-reddit-comments-posts/

Just follow the site instructions;

JavaScript:
var $domNodeToIterateOver = $('.del-button .option .yes'),
    currentTime = 0,
    timeInterval = 1000;
$domNodeToIterateOver.each(function() {
  var _this = $(this);
  currentTime = currentTime + timeInterval;
  setTimeout(function() {
    _this.click();
  }, currentTime);
});
Just an FYI, 1000ms wait is not needed, simply tune it down to eg. 100ms.

var $domNodeToIterateOver = $('.del-button .option .yes'), currentTime = 0, timeInterval = 100; $domNodeToIterateOver.each(function() { var _this = $(this); currentTime = currentTime + timeInterval; setTimeout(function() { _this.click(); }, currentTime); });
 
Third party Reddit apps is the reason I loved Reddit because of the choices. If they plan on killing those those off which is effectively what is happening, I guess I will just stop using Reddit.

I am sure Reddit has done the number crunching and the number of people leaving probably isn’t hitting the margins or bottom line so they likely don’t care but I had to get this out.

As a wise man once said “Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened.”

As someone who daily drives an iPhone 14 Pro Max and an S23 Ultra, developers of Apollo, Sync, Reddit is Fun and Relay, thank you for the beautiful memories over the years. I don’t regret spending that money on all of you one bit. I will not be requesting a refund and I actually donated $120 in the past 24 hours. You guys deserved it as I dont believe the couple of bucks I spent on all of you was adequate compensation for that incredible experience. It's the least I can do Best of luck in your future endeavours and may you find a project which isn’t as horrible as Reddit became in the end.
 
Imagine telling Wal-mart you will use their entire infrastructure for FREE to sell your own stuff and getting mad they now want to make you pay to use their store to sell your goods all while already charging users a monthly/yearly fee.
Horrible analogy and not even accurate. Reddit made the APIs available in hopes that developers would make products without cost to Reddit which in turn would make Reddit more popular and increase its business. Apollo did that and now after eight years Reddit wants to shut the developers down by charging an unreasonable fee and not work with developers to give them time to come me up with a plan.
 
This is super unfortunate news, but I don't believe people will stop using Reddit all together. I love Apollo, but I'm certainly not going to give up Reddit over this.

Anybody who says they will should authentically ask themself, "Am I never going to log in again? Am I never going to READ the result of a Google search if I see it comes from Reddit?"
I don’t know. I guess it depends on what your values are.
 
It's more like if Walmart were only accessible through an unreliable Walmart bus network, and someone came along with a private car service that would ferry customers to the store, where they spent money, and then Walmart decided they didn't like that because their unreliable, trashy buses were just fine, and decided to demand the car service to pay $1000 every time one of their cars entered the parking lot.
I like this, but not quite. It is more like Walmart realized in the beginning that it had a crappy bus service so it encouraged people to invest in developing transportation services that bring people to Walmart by offering them access to the parking lot and a drop off lane knowing that would only increase sales at the stores. That worked beautifully for eight years, but then Walmart got greedy and decided it doesn’t care about its customer preferences in getting to their stores or the transportation companies investment based on Walmarts encouragement and now suddenly wants to charge the private transportation services a high fee for access to its parking lots and won’t work with the transportation companies on a solution that doesn’t bankrupt the transportation companies.
 
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Apollo earned its user base by being a truly great app with many features and design principles that I’ve wished other apps would incorporate for years. It’s a textbook example of a single-platform client done right, not only embracing platform-specific features and design but thinking outside the box and improving on them.

For Reddit to do this to developers with such little notice is sickening. I’ll be looking around for open-source Reddit alternatives, now with this happening a Ruqqus type site has a good chance of becoming the next Mastodon story.
 
I’d argue this is not just about third party apps. It’s companies collectively ignoring what made them to this day and think they have unlimited power and can boss users around whatever they like. Yes, stakeholders give them money to run the company, but that’s only half the story. Apple would not survive long if they cannot sell a single iPhone for a year I assume, and Reddit would die quickly if no one uses their platform.

This is standard procedure for software companies these days. I don’t know when the industry got so user hostile, but it’s a firmly established trend by now. I think it was around the time of all the CEO transitions about ten or twelve years ago now. The founders with a vision are all retired or dead, and the MBAs have taken over.

In reddit’s case this is not actually true, not sure what happened there aside from the tale as old as time of selling out. The founders used to want it to be, well, what it used to be. Now they just want to sanitize and monetize.

Will the impact be big enough to let Reddit IPO fail?

If past trends are any indicators of future performance, no.
 
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