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You have a very valid point.

However this is Apple we're talking about. A company with power and control over their users that's simply unprecedented.

Like a good dictatorship, Apple calls the shots.

I agree with you.

Though one must be very careful when one product accounts for over 65% of your revenue. I think that is part of the problem, Apple has been too careful with the iPhone, evolving it, instead of innovating it. Worst thing they could do though is implement a feature for the sake of pushing sales of another product, such as its acquired beats .
 
I am sure there will be adapters so it is a none issue. I wonder how Marketing will sell it during the keynote.

Phil Schiller on stage:

One more thing:

In rethinking the head phone jack here is something we are very excited about.

The iAdept ! A new outside of the box thinking revolutionary device.
The "e" in iAdept stands for extraordinary

It took the development of 14 new welding techniques and complete rethinking
of common plug and play routines.

It is only one millimeter thick, yet it takes not only a 3.5 mm earphone plug.
It takes ANY PLUG!!!
The device inside walls are made from welded liquid metal and require no fans, the inner connectors are made of rose gold and the outer shell will never crack.

It is made from sapphire shards in ovens Apple owns and has under total control.

The iAdept charges blue tooth head phones and even headphones long in the teeth.


The iAdept will be available for $ 45 tomorrow and ship in space gray, silver and rose gold.

There is also a, iHold the iAdept band available, so the iAdept can be strapped to ones wrist and not get lost. We are working with many major manufacturers to bring additional band versions to you as soon as possible.

Can't innovate my i**$.
 
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Sure wireless airpods would be great.
But consider the following:
Have the airpods available and keep the jack.
You'll get your gizmo and someone who may have recently bough an expensive wired headphone will still be happy.
You know, follow the "why not both?" Dora's approach to life...

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And hey, I'm not even going to enter technicalities like battery life and sound quality.

My bet this is what they'll do in this iPhone, it's better a transition than a bandaid being ripped off.


iPhone 7 with jack and introduce wireless airpods and price them high to pay for rnd and expectation they'll be free with iPhone 8, then Remove jack on iPhone 8, and give buyers free airpods and drop price accordingly for seperate airpods. Less a shock to consumers and everyone has headphones that work.
 
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My guess is they're waiting for the huge radical design change on the 8 to remove it, chase it will be more justifiable with the added features we'll get but it sucks cause what will the 7 have that's worth upgrading then? The thought I was hoping is wireless charging would be implemented with the removal of the audio jack but now that is doubtful.

I usually sell my current phone since what I can sell it for pays for the payment plan buy out, but it might not be worth it this year, higher megapixel camera, faster cpu is all we'll be getting?

Man their stock is gonna hurt till they push out the iPhone 8.
You think that's the extent of the changes?
 
Sure wireless airpods would be great.
But consider the following:
Have the airpods available and keep the jack.
You'll get your gizmo and someone who may have recently bough an expensive wired headphone will still be happy.
You know, follow the "why not both?" Dora's approach to life...

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And hey, I'm not even going to enter technicalities like battery life and sound quality.

I say we should get rid of the phone component of the iPhone. After all, phones have been around over 100 years so are obviously obsolete, no one uses them, and Apple can just offer an add on phone adaptor ($49) to allow those people who choose to hang onto ancient technology still make phone calls.

;) /s

I agree with your point, keep both lots of people happy. Lightning people can use their lightning headphones, 3.5mm people can use their headphones without adaptors and all that annoying crap.
 
Given that I pretty much only use Apple Earpods or Bluetooth headphones, I'm not invested in this debate. However, given all the furor about the possibility, I do think it could be a bit early to drop the headphone jack. Although Apple has never been one to shy away from dropping old tech slightly before it's time.
 
The only people who want the headphone jack gone are turbo-nerds who think it's "old" and therefore "has to go".

Unlike floppies, CDs, and DVDs, the headphone jack is an important feature that is in no comprehensible way obsolete, and a significant portion of the userbase use it every single day.

(Heck, I even removed the optical drive on my MBP to stuff an SSD in. I'm not afraid to ditch things like that.)
 
Plot twist: Apple is doubling down on secrecy by tricking us with fake leaks and the iPhone 7 won't be nothing like the rumours have depicted :O
 
Don't bow to pressure, Apple. Do what you do. Let the world catch up. If the stock continues to tank for now, so be it.
 
I think the dispute about the relevancy of wired headphone connection is very easy to resolve. Wireless headphones do work with the current phones and yet overwhelming majority of people prefer wired headphones. And as to the digital interface... it's easy too: same quality, more expensive, very inconvenient, requires volume control on the headphones, no tone control. Those who argue for this change are just victims of the Apple marketing strategy to look different (sometimes just for the sake of it)
 
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I agree with you.

Though one must be very careful when one product accounts for over 65% of your revenue. I think that is part of the problem, Apple has been too careful with the iPhone, evolving it, instead of innovating it. Worst thing they could do though is implement a feature for the sake of pushing sales of another product, such as its acquired beats .
Yes Apple has been too conservative. It's understandable to a certain degree, yet they've allowed it to drag on too long.

With massive resources, brilliant engineering and design teams, Apple has remained dormant for too long. Unable to resist the temptation to engage in long term profit taking instead of innovating and creating, they've put themselves in the position of followers.
 
Ditching the headphone jack would be one of the dumbest decisions they could make. It would piss off all the people that have $100+ headsets.
 
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Sales only appear to be dropping because it's all but impossible to replicate the bumper year of sales they had in 2014-2015. Plot a chart from the start and sales have been more or less consistently increasing.

I don't think the removal of the headphone jack will have that much of an impact on sales, and the sooner Apple makes the transition, the sooner manufacturers can support with their own lightning accessories.
You 'don't think' well I know it will. Everyone uses earphones. We won't be able to just plug in any earphones anymore, people will hate it!
 
Literally 0% of me cares if I have to use a lightning port adapter or not. In this world, there are far more important things to get worked up about.
Last time I made a comment in the "I don't give a monkey's" vein the "moderstors" (hoots of derision) took it down and sent me a snotty note.
But like you I couldn't care less.
 
No headphone jack, no purchase. Unless it comes with a lightning to old-school jack adapter.
 
Yes Apple has been too conservative. It's understandable to a certain degree, yet they've allowed it to drag on too long.

With massive resources, brilliant engineering and design teams, Apple has remained dormant for too long. Unable to resist the temptation to engage in long term profit taking instead of innovating and creating, they've put themselves in the position of followers.

So true, and I see this across the board, in all the products. Current solution to a problem seems to be introduction of a variation of a current product, iPad being a classic example with the intro of a "pro", and new 3 versions of the iPhone. I actually miss the best days of Apple where there was only one flagship iPad/iphone. Though Steve is not about to comeback and once again clean up the mess that is fragmentation of the product line.

Same stuff I saw happen at sony, they stopped innovating and just did variations of what once worked for them.

Kudos to the people that like all this choice, I though miss having just one iPad and one iPhone that were current, and excellent user experience. Removing features from a phone to push me towards a certain model an size, is very disappointing, and I would assume is hurting sales.
 
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It's true that there's been a lot of rumors about them ditching the headphone jack. Has there been any truly reliable evidence, though? All I've seen are rumors, and as well all know rumors can spread wildly once they are started.

Another persistent rumor has been elimination of the home button for a touch sensor; this one has been around since the iPhone 5 days and never came true.

That's true. Apple does like to plant the seed though to see what the reaction will be. People are now expecting the 3.5mm to removed one day. When it does happen on the 7S or 8.. it won't be as big of a shock as it would be if they did it on the 7. Smart move by Apple.
 
I might be in the minority here, but we've been using this analog technology for decades now and I honestly wouldn't mind the push forward in technology, even if the 3.5mm standard is so widespread. Apple seems like the only behemoth that could pull this off. People went crazy when they ditched CDs/ DVDs, but where are they now?

And I'd really like a pair of wireless AirPods.

There is no "ditching of analog." Our ears can only hear music in analog. We seem to believe that getting rid of an analog port and using a digital port is better but soon after departing that digital port, the signal must be converted to analog. The "problem"- if there is one (is there?)- is not the jack, but the DAC. And the future iPhone without a 3.5mm jack will still have to have a DAC inside so that it can work as a phone. The change is that there will also have to be ANOTHER DAC outside because Apple decides it wants to jettison that jack, presumably for "thinner."

There has been arguments- even pseudo training- that preserving analog in digital form until closer to final output (audio or video) is a good thing. There's even some truth in that. But here, we're talking about preserving digital audio to either the adapter attached to the phone (a measurement of mm) or maybe up into a DAC built into the "cans" of headphones at the other extreme. Since this is an audio playing device, the distances involved is arms length at best. Our ears will not be able to hear a difference in preserving audio as digital for such a short additional distance. Nobody has 100-foot arms.

Some ears may be able to hear a difference of converting digital audio to analog through a better-quality DAC but the- IMO- better solution to that would be to build a better DAC inside a future iPhone where there has to be a DAC anyway, rather than have us jumping through some new hoops to involve a second DAC. For what gain (for us consumers) exactly? Is "thinner" still (actually) important to us (and I mean really? not because we think Apple wants to go there but we really do want an even thinner iPhone)? Do we not care about carrying the saved weight in a separate device (an adapter(s)) so we can also use our headphones with other devices?

As to wanting wireless earbuds, they already exist. If one thinks that's the better way, that way is already available. Go get 'em.

Those believing Lightning-terminated headphones will be so much better can buy Lightning-terminated headphones already. Go get them.

Options are good. If Bluetooth or Lightning is subjectively better, we already have those options available to us as individual consumers. But trying to force change by eliminating utility in mainstream ubiquity doesn't sit well with me. Even Apple's other products show that "thinner" can be achieved WITH a 3.5mm in place.
 
That's true. Apple does like to plant the seed though to see what the reaction will be. People are now expecting the 3.5mm to removed one day. When it does happen on the 7S or 8.. it won't be as big of a shock as it would be if they did it on the 7. Smart move by Apple.

Interesting theory, though that did not hold for the Macbook and one port. I think you give Apple too much credit for planning this out, instead of finding ways to get more money from us Via accessories. They have a history of proprietary ports.....and accessories. Its the same old.
 
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