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You cannot compare cars and phone. Once again, check the drop tests and try again.

If if you do want to play the game, then I say this: the canopy of a f-22 is made from the same plastic.


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Metal does not crack but it dents and bends. Both great materials but they both have flaws.

I say this and I do not use a Samsung phone for other reasons.

You keep talking about drop tests, but none of those show the iPhone 5 aluminum case cracking. We're talking about the casing, not the screen.
 
Plastic is more fragile than metal.

Don't be stupid

You want the bumpers on your car make from Aluminium that will crush and distort on impact of will take the force and spring back.

there is a whole world of "plastics" out there, far more suitable than soft Aluminium
 
The reason to buy iPhone is product quality, not price. That's what makes Apple different. No need to start a race to the bottom IMO

and how do you explain iPod mini? ipad mini?

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just please have at least a 4" retina screen at a minimum

That it will have, like someone once pointed, ths will take the 'free' phone slot (currently 4) instead of the 4s. This will make all apple phones 4 inches, lighting doc
 
Apple has made it clear that they won't do anything to be cheap.

Lower cost does not mean cheap. It will still be mid-range or above.

I know a few people who bought Android because they could afford one, but would rather have had an iPhone. A lower cost phone will make iPhones available to more people.

Apple makes the Mac Mini and Mac Pro. Both desktops, with the Mac Mini at a lower cost, but still not cheap.

A plastic shell is hardly slumming it, and makes a good differentiator at the point of sale. Having the new model and old looking the same and selling at the same time (which could happen if the iPhone 5S looks like the 5 and they keep the old model around) will confuse some.
 
You keep talking about drop tests, but none of those show the iPhone 5 aluminum case cracking. We're talking about the casing, not the screen.

I never said plastic was better than metal in terms of cracks. Metal is more resistant than plastic when it comes to cracks, I am not denying that. But metal does bend and dent more than plastic.

And yes the build of the body does affect screen resistance too. Plastic has more flex and bounce, this in turn can help avoid the screen cracking.

Find me a bent plastic phone made of polycarbonate.

And you're making me repeat myself, I always supported the fact that metal does not crack.
 
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I actually think it looks better than the current/previous iPhones, because the back is made of one piece instead of having various materials and the rounded edges. I know the 3G/S had a similar back but it was bulky and fat, this seems to be a lot slimmer.

I'm wondering what will be the difference between the low-cost iPhone and the normal iPhone: retina? CPU? Camera?

Surely they wouldn't go with a much slower CPU, as Apple doesn't tend to release a product that has sub-standard performance, and the iPhone 4 is starting to be slow in that respect. So they'd have to go with a CPU that's just one year old, which isn't a big difference.

As for Retina, wouldn't it make sense for Apple to start transitioning everything to retina? Even the iPod Touch got it, so I'd guess the low cost iPhone would also have it.

Camera? I'd imagine that a lower-megapixel camera would make sense, but once again, as long as it's at least the quality of the iPhone 4, it should be good enough.

So then what justifies the low cost iPhone? Why does it "deserve to exist"?

I believe the 4 and 4S will be gone for good when the 5S is introduced, so there'll be the 5 at a lower contract price, and the 5S flagship model, both mostly geared towards the post-paid market segment, while the introduction of the lower cost iPhone will be geared towards the prepaid market, as well as emerging markets. I believe that will justify its existence.

This lower priced phone will have most of the functionality of the 5 and 5S, and will run iOS7, but will be manufactured with slightly less expensive components, and of course no (expensive) CNC'd shell. Their whole line-up will thus have the 4" screens.

If this scenario unfolds, and the phones look anything at all, like these: http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/06/lower_cost_iphone_colors.jpg , and the unsubsidized price for the entry-level model will stay at or below $450, I believe these phones will sell like hotcakes. Think iPad Mini or better. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words.
 
Personally if they repackage the current I phone 5 in there for the cheap version I'll buy that to save money over a 5s/6.


Buy outright that is, I'm not going to be locked into 2 years over a piece of plastic.
 
Plastic is more fragile than metal.

Tell that to the iPhone 5 owners who have scratched and dented and bent phones from daily use.

My old LG flip phone could take out a modern smartphone any day in a head on collision ;)

Because plastic is such an awful material....

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Im sure the iPhone 5 is much better built than a jet. ( which is mostly made of plastic )
 
I never said plastic was better than metal in terms of cracks. Metal is more resistant than plastic when it comes to cracks, I am not denying that. But metal does bend and dent more than plastic.

And yes the build of the body does affect screen resistance too. Plastic has more flex and bounce, this in turn can help avoid the screen cracking.

Ok you got a point about shock absorption, but it also proves my initial point. Because plastic is more fragile and more bendable, it can absorb shocks by bending or cracking.

Maybe I should've made this more clear, but I'm not worried about drops. I'm worried about plastic casings cracking over the years just from normal wear and tear, which does happen in real life, a lot, to plastic casings.
 
Plastic is more fragile, there is a reason cars and bridges are made of metal. Metal dents and scratches easier but is much stronger than plastic.

The bumpers on cars have been made of urethane for years now (aka plastic). The actually frame of a car is made of metal but comparing high strength steel to the low grade thin aluminum used an iphone is a terrible comparison. The aluminum in the iphone is not very durable at all.
 
Ok you got a point about shock absorption, but it also proves my initial point. Because plastic is more fragile and more bendable, it can absorb shocks by bending or cracking.

Maybe I should've made this more clear, but I'm not worried about drops. I'm worried about plastic casings cracking over the years just from normal wear and tear, which does happen in real life, a lot, to plastic casings.

Only to the horrible plastic used on the white macbooks. I have never seen another plastic laptop crack anywhere close to that bad.
 
The bumpers on cars have been made of urethane for years now (aka plastic). The actually frame of a car is made of metal but comparing high strength steel to the low grade thin aluminum used an iphone is a terrible comparison. The aluminum in the iphone is not very durable at all.

Indeed, its silly to compare high grade automotive steel to the low grade crap used in consumer electronics.
 
Really curious about how these will cannibalize iPhone 5 sales.

This might not even come to the US market. The iPhone 5 is cheap in the US as carriers will subsidize it with a new plan.

This phone is aimed at lower income markets where they wouldnt have bought an iPhone at all anyway.
 
Regarding your comment about iOS 7, surely you're aware of the HUGE number of API changes and additions that Apple is including in iOS 7, right? The average consumer won't care, but everyone will benefit from the fact that developing great apps should become even easier than before. And I don't know who these "irrational" buyers are that you speak of, but it's pretty tacky to label people based on their choice of smartphone.

I know that behind the scenes there's a lot more than just spit and polish, but coming back to the quality argument, perception is reality. Apple has always been perceived as being the market leader in terms of quality. Anyone that has used the flagship devices from all brands knows that that isn't strictly true, but the perception amongst the customers is, therefore the image persists. Apple doesn't have a Unique Selling Point for iOS 7 (Anyone using the word parallax needs to be euthanized), therefore the perception will be that there are no major changes beyond a color scheme.

And the irrational buyers - People that don't need a smartphone at all but have one anyway. Customers that are more interested in the fashion proposition provided by Apple than the value proposition, where competition in terms of the overall package could significantly eat into the big chunk of 'I've got an iPhone so I'll just buy another' market that is milked so effectively
 
Ok so it seems I angered the US Plastic Industry Council (sponsored by Samsung), so YES YOU'RE RIGHT PLASTIC IS STRONGER THAN METAL. Now leave me alone and have a nice day.

That is very offensive man, seems that you also have an anger issue. If you cannot participate in an argument, please don't post anything here.

And also, I am not American nor do I own any Samsung products.
 
That is very offensive man, seems that you also have an anger issue. If you cannot participate in an argument, please don't post anything here.

And also, I am not American nor do I own any Samsung products.

This was not directed to you, and I'm really sorry.

I'm having a bad day and I didn't feel like being bombarded by replies by people who seem to have prepared their pro-plastic talking-points a while ago. I got angry, and I'm not usually like that.

Edit : Now I feel really bad, and I'm thinking of deleting my account. :(
 
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