OH HELL NO!Your next iteration will have soldered in RAM, soldered in SSD, soldered in GPU, soldered in thunderbolt cables and a WELDED SHUT enclosure...
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Likewise, I'm more than happy with the design and thinking behind the cooling.
My only reasons for not buying onw is Apple's choice of components.
They could spec very different components and sell a TON of these.
The ultimate gaming computer even. Two Titan X's perhaps and dump with silly CPU's 99.9% of people don't want/need.
DO that and they could take over the high end gaming world.
Or course they wont
Apple's world view is that a computer is an appliance, a sealed box that even "power" users should never look inside.
The gamer's world view is that GPUs are parts that consumers should be able to swap out every 6-12 months to stay on whatever the leading edge is on their individual budgets.
Apple will never make a computer for gamers.
Sorry Apple, Gone X99 here, Windows 10 with Ableton Live. Im getting my work done and can even play a game once in a while too without thermal throttling! Amazing! Windows 10 is actually extremely good.
Although, I still have my rMPB which handle all my document and e-mail needs. Apple at least know how to do this part well.
Although, I still have my rMPB which handle all my document and e-mail needs. Apple at least know how to do this part well.
Very, very smart remark.
Its not important where you live, Thunderbolt expansion chassis are very expensive.
I would like to see Apple go all in on USB-C/ TB3. The port is smaller so they could put several more back there aiding in the expandability. In the short term that means adapters but over time you would phase in the new cables and drives anyway. If you're using a TB1 drive and you upgrade to a TB3 drive etc. They already make USB-C Thumb drives. If its a small business with limited budgets this transition could take place over time as Apple could cement the USB-C standard doing this. Larger businesses could make the transition faster for specific departments that needed it.
Oh I would wait for a refreshed model. I think next year sounds right for an update, new ports and processors and GPU's, let's hope they increase the storage as standard too to half a terabyte?
Thanks for you reply! To be honest, I'm not really a technical guy, I'm more equipped with the technical aspects of rendering video and working with many and large files like very hi-res Tiff files with multiple layers.
I'm interested in upgrading my current MacPro (2010) to a new one since I'm also dealing with transporting large amount of files and that where Thunderbult kicks in, especially when the new Thunderbolt 3 works with a "ordinary" USB-C port as rumors go.
So there are two territories where I'm interested in:
- speed of moving and loading large amount of files
- speed of processing video and very hi-ress uncompressed tiff files with multiple layers
I've upgraded my current MacPro with SSD drives and to 16 GB of Ram DDR3 ECC and two ATI Radeon HD 5770 10124 MB Video Cards. But even so I'm starting to notice that the machine is getting slow sometimes.
I've no doubt that even the current new MacPro will show some boost in performance but since these machines cost quite a lot of money I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to wait until Apple would come with a new MacPro equipped with Skylake processors.
I dare to question this. The new Skylake processors and the new type of graphic cards are that good that you could simply play good games on it, possible within the context of booting up Windows 10 with BootCamp but still.
So yes, maybe Apple won't make computers mainly for die-hard gamers, but the processors and graphic cards are becoming better and better that on certain point it doesn't really matter i.m.h.o. if you're using a pc or just a Mac.
Now you are being facetious.... claiming that because it daisy chains it is anything equivalent to an internal bus.
That would be like saying because USB 2.0 has "bus" in it's name that it would replace all PCIe.
Can you connect up a PCIe bus to Firewire and add in cards if you want, can you connect a SAS controller to it? Can you connect up display adapters to it? It is both significantly higher latency and a smidgen of the throughput.
First, this is a very good news for all MP lovers
I think we will see very fast a new MP because they are produced in Austin ( https://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/06/cook-visits-mac-pro-factory/ ), and if sales are going down, they must kick employees to save money (which is not a good public news for Apple). To prevent this, the sales must go up - with a new MP !
Instead of the production in China, where employees can be moved to other product lines, this is not possible in Austin.
I think we will see very fast a new MP because they are produced in Austin ( https://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/06/cook-visits-mac-pro-factory/ ), and if sales are going down, they must kick employees to save money (which is not a good public news for Apple). To prevent this, the sales must go up - with a new MP !
Instead of the production in China, where employees can be moved to other product lines, this is not possible in Austin.
And that is precisely why Apple isn't bothering upgrading the Mac Pro every month. What exactly are people absolutely needing in a Mac Pro refresh? Are the new processors 200% more powerful or something? All we keep hearing is "2 years old OMG IT IS NOT WORTH IT AHHHHHH!!!", but what can they do? We are at a point now where processors are not really a major improvement over the other. Power usage and integrated graphics are the primary focus these days.
A new model could include all that the old one did, except it would alleviate the need for the SATA card, add additional PCIE slots, plus Thunderbolt 3, and dedicated M.2 (or similar) expansion for SSD. Just because the old 2012 is limited by the X58 chipset doesn't mean a new cheese grater would be.
I really like the concept of the Mac Pro, for once, it's something that no other company have ever done before. But such expensive workstation with temperatures of 95º C on load it's just a joke. They need to fix that, but they won't so your components last less.
The material and shape choice was a terrible decision though. I hope they go back to the classic aluminium or maybe space gray / gold options. The shape of a mac mini in a narrow but taller body would have avoid all the trash-can jokes.
The material and shape choice was a terrible decision though. I hope they go back to the classic aluminium or maybe space gray / gold options. The shape of a mac mini in a narrow but taller body would have avoid all the trash-can jokes.
Sure. But do think external devices are the way forward. In a company it means that people can share storage or devices.
Only if you say it in a Trumpish kind of way. But then anything he says is funny.
I had a MP 1,1 then 3,1 and a 6,1 since it came out. I couldn't be happier. My complaint actually doesn't have to do with the hardware so much as the software. When on earth is Apple going to make OS X capable of exploiting both video cards. Of course some software can, but why on earth wouldn't you make your OS capable of detecting and then utilizing it?!?
+1 for a new 5K standalone, MATTE, 16:10 cinema display with some modern POWERED ports (seriously Apple, would it kill you to include a port that I could charge an iPad with?!?). Although still in perfect condition, my 2009 30" ACD is starting to get a little long in the tooth...
+1 for a new 5K standalone, MATTE, 16:10 cinema display with some modern POWERED ports (seriously Apple, would it kill you to include a port that I could charge an iPad with?!?). Although still in perfect condition, my 2009 30" ACD is starting to get a little long in the tooth...
Most likely the opposite mappings. A short "What's in a name" document from Synopsis :
"... Designers may also choose to simplify the terminology by using LS, FS, HS, and SS to describe low-speed, full-speed, high-speed and SuperSpeed USB operation respectively, and introduce SSP for SuperSpeedPlus. This simple solution is accurate enough for everyday use."
https://www.synopsys.com/Company/Pu...dwtb-usb-3.1-2014Q2.aspx#sthash.TBVdr0II.dpuf ...
Thunderbolt 3 controllers have a USB 3.1 gen 2 controller embedded inside. 3.1 gen 2 is in the "SuperSpeed Plus" (SSP) zone. If there are two TB v3 controllers you end up with four physical ports which is a match to the 4 x "SSP" line up here.
If this is a Xeon E5 v4 powered system with a C612 PCH chipset then the chipset provisions 6 USB 3.0 ports. ( http://ark.intel.com/products/81759/Intel-DH82029-PCH ). Perhaps using HS for some odd reason. Technically those could be labeled "SS". However, if the internal SSD is still hooked to the 612 then there is much "SS" bandwidth leftover so pragmatically might be closer to reality when the SSD is in high usage mode.
Please can you explain what you mean here? All machines have an EOL... The G5 was pre intel. Of course that was going to EOL at some point...
My 2008 Mac Pro is on El Capitan... and I suspect this or the Next OS will be it's last officially supported... but it's 7 years old!
There are very good reasons they are binned - The spec is not enough to run stuff like Metal, or core graphics stuff for example.
Bluetooth on USB would be odd. Typically Bluetooth is provisioned from the same internal module at Wifi. Broadcom often. In most Mac set-ups that is connected with a 1x PCI-e v2 link. Likely that would be the same for a new Mac Pro. [ revision Ed. Ah... bluetooth presents as a USB hub although not really provisioning or consuming any physical ports. ]
For example, 2013 I/O controller to chipset PCI-e lane mapping here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/8
Not sure about the motion sensor. Seems like would want to make that autonomic though (runs without the OS going). If turning Mac Pro to plug in would be nice to see the plugs light up without having to full boot the Mac.
Those two might be feed into the "aux" input somewhere perhaps. Like part of transmitting HDMI CEC commands perhaps? Not sure.
If it wasn't for what looks like the possible two TB controllers and supposed Mac system identifier this seems like it could be more so a Thunderbolt display ( webcamera and embedded audio ports ) more so than a Mac Pro.
I think technically SuperSpeed Plus is USB 3.1 gen 2 . Unfortunately, USB is cluttered the terminology by making USB 3.1 gen 1 a long winded way of saying USB 3.0. So 3.1 with no suffix technically covers both gen 1 and gen 2 and so sweeps in 3.0 speeds also.
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