I have a 6+ 64gb space grey on pre-order. Submitted 3:15-3:20 AM 9/12 with a 10/7 ship date, confirmation 4:48 AM with the same date. Card still not charged, order in process, but ship date went from not available to 10/7 yesterday, and to 10/3 today. Decided to go to the Verizon store here this morning to see if I could get lucky and get one earlier, and also do a straight trade-in of my 4S and save some more money upfront. I live in smallish suburb just outside Richmond, VA. Showed up around 7:50 and was ninth in line. The guy came out and said they had NO Pluses. None. So if you don't live in a MAJOR metropolitan area, the odds of getting your hands on a Plus today from a Verizon store (and I assume the other carriers too) are slim to none. The worst case will be all the people who canceled their late October / November orders with the hope of getting something today. If they're not in a huge city, they're screwed and won't see a Plus 'til Thanksgiving or later. Or they'll just bitch and moan to customer service and "jump the line" back to their previous spot, pushing people like me further down the line.