Masimo makes a wearable device so they compete with Apple. If Masimo has a patent they can exclude Apple from using the patented tech. Intended use is irrelevant. That’s what patents are for. The ITC has declined to force Masimo to license the patent. Apple is running out of options but they still have a few left.
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Potential Apple Watch Ban Issued by U.S. Trade Tribunal in Masimo Patent Battle
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Depends on what is going on and for how long. A regular person sitting on their couch....yeah that is bad. A trained athlete at altitude, not an issue for "short" durations.
If anyone doubts that Masimo is competing with Apple:
https://www.investors.com/news/tech...ter-winning-a-potential-battle-against-apple/
https://www.investors.com/news/tech...ter-winning-a-potential-battle-against-apple/
So....Apple steals the tech and then says preventing them from profiting from their theft is keeping a lifesaving product from millions? You gotta love evil corporate propaganda.
So what? That gives a corporation the right to steal? The ends justify the means? If the tables were turned and it was Apple suing someone else over an infringed (“life saving”) patent, would you side with that company and tell Apple to pound sand? I doubt it.
Then your Apple watch is probably defective, or there is something like a scratch on the lens blocking the light path. Measuring oxygen levels isn't technically difficult - you just bounce red light off of blood - the brighter red the blood is, the more O2. The one thing all pulse oximeters struggle with is darker skin, which absorbs the light before it reaches the blood, so that can be a reason for inability to take a reading if weak LED's are used.
Well, to be fair, Apple is trying to lean on a legal provision that is available to the ITC. I don't blame them for trying to persuade the ITC, rather than rolling over and accepting the exclusion order.
19 U.S. Code § 1337
(d)Exclusion of articles from entry(1)
If the Commission determines, as a result of an investigation under this section, that there is a violation of this section, it shall direct that the articles concerned, imported by any person violating the provision of this section, be excluded from entry into the United States, unless, after considering the effect of such exclusion upon the public health and welfare, competitive conditions in the United States economy, the production of like or directly competitive articles in the United States, and United States consumers, it finds that such articles should not be excluded from entry.
That has got to be the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.
Thanks for posting that-- it's really helpful context for what otherwise seemed like an attempt at diversion. It's still not a denial, but I think what you've shown is that Apple has two fronts to argue on-- an appeal on the infringement claim and an effort to avert the import ban on non IP related grounds.
I don’t know, sounds like pretty good proof they didn’t steal Masimo technology to me.
I don’t think a bible quite is necessary to point out that capitalism is evil
The circuitry is simple. It’s the detection algorithm that does the magic. That is what Apple is accused of pilfering. This has happened frequently in the medical equipment business. Now it’s Apple’s turn.
I was on a 787 Dreamliner a few days ago and my watch put the altitude at 6000 feet.
There are several sites that are used for pulse oximetry in addition to the finger. The nose, forehead are often used with special sensors. After working with pulse oximetry devices since they were developed, I just don’t see the back of the wrist as an ideal site. And as you indicated, skin tone can affect readings.
Detection is not that complicated either IMO. I built a miniaturised pulse oximeter from scratch in my lab. if the signal is clear and the filtering is done properly, it's a dawdle to measure SpO2, pulse rate, etc. compared to other biological signals. Most of it seems blindingly obvious to me, but I am unfamiliar with the patents in question so I suppose I could be wrong.
I have often wondered why the ventral side of the wrist wasn't used, where there is less pigment. The sensors could be embedded in watch bands.
Apple has enough money to have found a legal and equitable solution to this problem. The fact they’re fighting it out in court instead is testament to their continued brazen attitude towards a competitive ecosystem.
No. Massimo is NOT a patent troll.
They have had medical products sold and in use for years and their PulseOX tech is very well known in the industry.
Keep in mind I’m no fan of Massimo but they’re definitely not patent trolls.
apple figured after a risk analysis the legal cost of being sued by a small company would be less then the revenue generated by the watch sales. shareholders greed at its best. end of the day never blame ceos but the shareholders ie..the public since ceos duty is to generate profits for them. if tim cook did not do it he would be fired for not doing his job.
The two Masimo patents do not relate to the detection algorithm, just the watch hardware.