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I know your frustration with the maximize function. Most switchers I've read on this site complain of this. It bothered me too, when I switched.

You won't miss the maximize function even a little. If you switch, you will go through an adjustment period where you will be thinking to yourself, "wow, that is a better way to do that." All of a sudden, you find that you cannot imagine ever going back to the MS way.

I have no issues with OSX. It has surpassed my expectations. I am conflicted about the new buttonless trackpads. I love the new trackpad so much that I actually prefer it over an external mouse. My only issue is when I need to drag something, or when I need to highlight text, it is clunky to use.
 
Which hardware features are you talking about?

The software is included, btw. I have a great EPP through work where I can get a nice config on a 2.8 MBP for $2300, Office 08 for $15 (yes, fifteen), etc. etc.

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Disk storage, memory, display, bluetooth - features. A Lenovo machine with a similar spec to what you're considering in a Mac will be around $500 less.
 
2. The reason I partition my drive in Windows is for two reasons: (1) It isolates my documents. If the OS ever fails, I can just take the HD and put it in an external enclosure and easily transfer the files to a new computer. Granted, this is just a residual of how I used to set up my PC under Windows 95 when things went wrong all the time. I haven't had to do this kind of recovery in years, but I still like the "safety" of knowing my files are separate from the OS partition. (2) I partition my drive so that my files are located on the outermost section of the HD. Because of radial velocity (term check?!?!), read/write speeds are faster the farther away from the center of the HD you get. The speed increase is negligible, but again, it was something I set up back in the day and have just continued the practice. I guess the biggest problem is that it kinda just ticks me off that I don't have the option to relocate my documents folder....whether it helps or not, why can't I put my documents where I want them to be?

If and when the OS fails on the Mac, for the most part your documents and home directory are safe. On the Mac you don't need to reformat the entire drive to reinstall the OS, unlike a Windows. Making a fresh installation of the MacOS, simply replaces the created a new System folder in root, this is where the core of the OS lives. Plus, it'll automatically renaming the old one as "Old System", just in case you have a webserver running or have custom scripts installed.

Also on the Mac, the HD's content is managed and indexed by Spotlight so this mean you need not worry about file fragmentation. Actually, when you run a 3rd party application to defrag Mac's system drive, it will only slow the system down as the indexes and file location will be different.

You can, if you like, relocate the whole HOME directory in MacOS to another drive, partition or storage media via some terminal commands or script editing... MacOSX's core is Unix based so anything you can do in FreeBSD, you can do in Mac... Just need to learn how.

Someone, who can be identified as Darwin9 in the chat room, sent me a “How to Move the Home Folder in OS X Leopard.” I hadn’t done it yet, but it’s something that I was hoping to do for my next installation.
  1. Click on ‘Macintosh HD’ in the Finder and open the ‘Users’ folder. In here you will find a folder named after your shortname. This is your home folder. As it is currently your active home folder it will have a ‘house’ icon assigned to it. Copy this folder to the 2nd hardrive by simply dragging it (moving files / folders to a 2nd volume in OS X only copies the content, it doesn’t remove it from its original location). Note: The copied folder will not have the ‘house’ icon as it is not yet recognized as you active home folder. We will change this in the following steps.
  2. Open the ‘System Preferences’ application from either the Dock, the Applications folder or from the Apple menu.
  3. Click on the ‘Accounts’ icon in the ‘System’ section.
  4. After entering your password to unlock the padlock, CTL-Click (or right click if you have this enabled for your mouse) on the active admin account (from the list of user accounts in the left pane) to reveal an ‘Advanced Options’ contextual menu. Select this item.
  5. You will be presented with a pane full of advanced settings (and also a warning about how you should only change these settings if you know what you are doing!). Ignore all of these settings except for the ‘Home Directory’ option. This is the path that OS X uses to locate your home folder when you login. It should say: /Users/shortname
  6. Click on the ‘Choose’ button, and browse to the home folder in the new location (this will be the folder you moved in Step 1 which will be named after your shortname). After you select the new location, the ‘Home directory’ path should change to something like: /Volumes/shortname.
  7. OS X will continue to use the original home folder until you restart. So restart the computer and login as normal. To confirm that the new home folder is now active, browse to the folder you copied to the 2nd hardrive and check it has the ‘house’ icon assigned to it. Now that your home folder is successfully located on your 2nd drive, you can delete the original home folder in the Users folder. It should now have a generic folder icon as it is no longer the active home folder.
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Yeah, I thought I'd hate the funny maximise button but in reality, I love it. I can't stand having my window stretched across a page.

He said CUT N paste isn't in OSX.... You can copy & paste and move.

I think the posted was joking... you can cut&paste on a Mac :/
 
1. That was my thought at first, too. In the end I found that maximizing windows is an unnecessary habit you develop because of the nature of multitasking in Windows, which to me has always only been "I don't have to start the program anew when I need it, but I only use one at a time, covering the full screen and that's it". In MacOS X, after a while, you work in a completely different way than in Windows. Drag'n'drop is a good example here. It's way more ubiquitous. One day I realized I was using much more drag'n'drop because it seems just the natural way to interact with the content. The HIG (Human Interface Guidelines) of MacOS X really have an effect :)

By the way, you have way more control over your apps and their windows in MacOS X. As already written, you can set the maximum window size as the default one for an application. But I also routinely use the keyboard with these commands:
- Command + H (Hide all windows of an application - they will show again when you switch to the app)
- Command + W (close only the active window/tab - not the application)
- Command + Q (close the application)
And obviously Exposé to present all windows. You routinely will click on content, grab it, invoke Exposé and drop it off in other windows or in folders that spring up when I want to). I open files and save them directly to the Downloads stack where I have immediate access while keeping everything tidy. The file ICON shows a progress bar to show how far the download has gone and the icon jumps once to signal it is done.

What you may think is nuts (clicking on the red window button only sometimes quits the app, most of the times it just closes the window) you will grow to love as sane defaults that really make sense. Just as I had the fixed idea of my own perfect taxonomy of folders for the pictures, for the MP3 files etc. Now I let iTunes and iPhoto do that automatically and use the search feature (Spotlight) way more. Once I got rid of certain habits, working with MacOS X is a pure joy. Certain actions are a speed blur, it is more intuitive and I focus on the content of what I am doing right now much more because I don't have to THINK about basic stuff like "where do I save the file now" etc.

Once you become a MacOS X power user (Quicksilver anyone?) you definitely won't miss those thinks that you now think you won't ever do without. Trust me, I didn't believe it at first too.

(P.S.: I love the new finger gestures on the new MacBooks and MBPs. Zooming with two finger pinches is great :) )

Don't know if you get me.

2. Somebody already answered with that. Obviously you can do new partitions, but the subdivision of System/Library/Applications/Home folders is pretty sane to begin with.

3. Hmm. Wouldn't know about a thing that bothers me after a year and a half using OS X. At first, perhaps some things. Perhaps it bothers me that I don't have Exposé on Windows so that when I use Windows the first few minutes I constantly try to invoke it by moving the mouse to a corner ;)

4. No clue

5. Just in case, you can use your MBP as a Windows machine with Boot Camp or by using a virtual machine like Parallels or Fusion to run your Windows apps alongside MacOS X apps.
 
I don't understand this either/or logic that you have. Why can't I dislike certain features without enjoying the overall device? I realize that I'm someone that will never be 100% happy with OSX or Vista. I'll probably be happy with 75% of one and 65% of the other. What I'm trying to do is figure out if OSX will be the platform that pisses me off 25% or 35% of the time...


I have no idea why you think this...I use Windows with a bazillion windows open at work, using many simultaneously. Isn't this THE definition of multi-tasking? In fact, I've always viewed Windows as the more productive platform where you get your work done (with your 10 million programs) and the Mac as the platform where you do the 2 or 3 simple things, like email, photo editing, and web browsing...Maybe this is a misconception, but look no further than Apple if you want the culprit.....their marketing for their product in the Mac vs. PC ads is a perfect example: PC for the serious/professional (boring) stuff, and Macs for the personal (fun) stuff.

I'll answer both your questions from each paragraph. You most certainly can dislike features of a certain product and still use the product however you kept spouting about what other manufacturers can do that the iPhone can't and since you have several options in phones it makes no sense for you to buy an iPhone based on your words. Buy what works for you, apparently the iPhone doesn't. Sounds like you bought it just because it's pretty as many people do when buying Macs which is a waste buying form over function.

Secondly, sorry buddy, I'm not making things up, I teach computers, both Mac OS and Windows. The Windows operating system is designed to work on ONE application at a time which is why just about everything is maximized. If you notice all apps have their File-Edit functions on the window itself rather than on a Menu Bar like the Mac? That's why apps on Windows quit when closing them. It's well known, you can verify this on google. Maximizing an environment defeats the purpose of multitasking. Also multi-tasking is not just about
having multiple windows on the screen. Because many the Mac OS's apps can function without a window open that gives the user more functionality which is what true multi-tasking is about.


Ha ha, funny that you mention that Macs (in your mind) are for fun, web surfing and email and yet the majority of switchers buy a Mac, install Windows on it to do what???? PLAY GAMES.
Macs are well known to be the preferred platform in the recording and movie making industry which are just a few of the highest paying professions.
Do you think Pixar/Disney makes their movies on Windows and plays them back on a Mac???


Again, you can continue to ignore what I am saying but I am trying to help you more than just make the Mac OS look good which is what others are doing here for you. If you don't drop your Windows prejudices or if you planning to run Windows on your Mac more than running the Mac OS then you are buying the wrong machine.

BTW, care to elaborate why you are buying a Mac? You sound happy with Vista PC's.
 
You can't cut and paste? What?

I do all the time. Command-X. The only thing you can't cut and paste are files.

There are plenty of things that annoy be about OS X. I just find it on the whole less annoying and faster to work in than Windows, and this is coming from a lifelong Windows user until 6 months ago.

For example, no restore in the trash can. Bizarre and thoroughly annoying.

In terms of maximising, the lack of this feature stuck me as strange as well, but I don't find myself missing it since the work flow in OS X is quite different. Set up hot corners, set your default app sizes and you're good to go.
 
For example, no restore in the trash can. Bizarre and thoroughly annoying.

I find Trash to be better in OS X, you can actually open the files that are in there and if you want to restore it just drag it out onto your desktop or another Finder folder :confused:
 
I find Trash to be better in OS X, you can actually open the files that are in there and if you want to restore it just drag it out onto your desktop or another Finder folder :confused:

you can't open files in the trash...
 

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I find Trash to be better in OS X, you can actually open the files that are in there and if you want to restore it just drag it out onto your desktop or another Finder folder :confused:

From a feature perspective, the trash is not as good as the Windows recycle bin, period.

I've never been able to open files that are in the trash in OS X. I get the same warning TuffLuff got.

You can drag files out of the Windows trash all day long with the added functionality of being able to immediately restore them to where they came from.

I also believe you can permanently delete individual files from the recycle bin (instead of only being able to empty the whole thing), but it's been awhile since I've used Windows so I can't be sure.
 
Thanks for the responses.

1. I'm glad to see that many agree that they first missed the issue of non-maximizable windows, but learned to love it. I'm hopeful that I'll get used to the new treatment, but it still perplexes the hell out of me that with such a strong window management system (spaces, expose, touchpad gestures) that Apple wouldn't even allow the option of easily maximizing windows. You would think that the fact that it has such great options for multitasking that having maximized windows would work great because it's so easy to switch between programs. I don't understand the point of not even having the option...

I hated it too, for some reason it went away after a while. When I hit the green button it maximizes the window to the width of my screen. Odd, I have no idea why it would do that :-/

2. The reason I partition my drive in Windows is for two reasons: (1) It isolates my documents. If the OS ever fails, I can just take the HD and put it in an external enclosure and easily transfer the files to a new computer. Granted, this is just a residual of how I used to set up my PC under Windows 95 when things went wrong all the time. I haven't had to do this kind of recovery in years, but I still like the "safety" of knowing my files are separate from the OS partition. (2) I partition my drive so that my files are located on the outermost section of the HD. Because of radial velocity (term check?!?!), read/write speeds are faster the farther away from the center of the HD you get. The speed increase is negligible, but again, it was something I set up back in the day and have just continued the practice. I guess the biggest problem is that it kinda just ticks me off that I don't have the option to relocate my documents folder....whether it helps or not, why can't I put my documents where I want them to be?

That's a good practice and I understand why you would want to do that. In sort yes you can change the default locations of your music, videos, documents, etc. Onyx can change the default location values to a user specified one. There's also another program that changes the stuff in finder that does what you're asking, however the name escapes me at the moment.

4. Connect 360...check. It looks like it'll do the trick for general media streaming, but it looks like I'll still lose the Media Center functionality. Can anyone confirm that I can still use media center if I bootcamp into Vista? What if I run Vista in Parallels? Will WMC work?
I run VMware fusion with XP and OSX. I stream all of my music and videos to my friends Xbox 360. I also have connect360 which does the job also. Either way you'll be able to do it if you use bootcamp no questions asked. I haven't tried in a virtual machine though and I sadly can't since I am away from college.

5. As far as what else I run on on Vista...I really can't think of anything that's critical, but I will miss little things...I use Chrome as my browser (just a matter of waiting until a Mac version is released) and there are a ton of misc apps that I use which I'll have to replace w/ a Mac version....not the end of the world, but just slightly annoying.
I understand, it's been a transition for me. I'm happy, but I still duel boot with XP to play my games. OS X is perfectly great for what I use it for and it definitely does its job well.

Tallest Skil - Limitations on the iPhone are plentiful....of course, I'd start out with things like no copy/paste, having to jump through hoops to get custom ring tones, and of course Apple's insistence of completely neutering bluetooth functionality on the phone, for no reason other than "just because." However, I would also include on my list of gripes the fact that I'm required to use the native mail app (instead of the google mail app that's available on other phones), the problem that I'm unable to delete built in apps (whether, stocks, etc) because I've replaced them with Apps from the App store, and the annoyance of not allowing a landscape keyboard in things like SMS, mail, etc. But I don't want to turn this into an iPhone bashing post....I just want to make sure that the control and limitations that Apple has placed on the iPhone haven't been duplicated on the MBP...I don't want to have to be told how Apple thinks I should be computing. OSX is great and they have some great solutions for common tasks, but I just want to make sure that they realize that their approach isn't the best for everyone, and allow some wiggle room for customization and personalization.
I don't own an Iphone so no comment here. Sorry :(

Sometimes I do that. I hope this helps!

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You can't cut and paste? What?

I do all the time. Command-X. The only thing you can't cut and paste are files.

There are plenty of things that annoy be about OS X. I just find it on the whole less annoying and faster to work in than Windows, and this is coming from a lifelong Windows user until 6 months ago.

For example, no restore in the trash can. Bizarre and thoroughly annoying.

In terms of maximising, the lack of this feature stuck me as strange as well, but I don't find myself missing it since the work flow in OS X is quite different. Set up hot corners, set your default app sizes and you're good to go.

Nope you can't cut and paste in OS X. It's really dumb.

The logic behind it is if you cut a file and forget to paste it you'll lose the file. That is complete BS since in Windows if you cut and paste a file the file fades meaning it has been cut, but not moved yet. It just sounds like someone at Apple made a little boo boo and forgot to add it into finder.
 
and what about text work? the same? no copy :mad: paste? wtf

These people are talking about cutting and pasting files around the hard drive, NOT text in programs. Cutting and pasting in word or excel or where-ever works just as on PC. (but Command-X/C/P instead of Control-(etc))
 
To the OP: Welcome (I hope) to the world of Mac!

Try and ignore the people on this board who just want to pick a fight whenever you mention Vista or a feature you feel is lacking in OS X. A lot of people like to deal in absolutes, which is most unhelpful. I can see from your responses that you will be able to do just that, so kudos!

I was in a very similar position to you a few years ago. I was very happy with my Windows life, but had some bugbears that I thought could be solved with OS X. I had many of the same questions as you, including being unsure of the maximise function and the old partitioning debate.

You'll be pleased to know that I forgot all about this about 2 days into my first Mac. As others have said, the maximise function never made sense, not even on Windows. When I use Vista now, I have everything un-maximised. So much better! Same goes for the partitioning, it wouldn't even cross my mind to do it now (well, except to bit-locker Vista, but that's another story! :D)

Unlike some of the aggressive (why? he's just asking questions?) replies you have received, I do recommend you go for a Mac. You get the best of both worlds. Run Windows via BootCamp or VMware. I use VMware (less and less as time goes by) for the necessities and it works great. I haven't used the Media Center components, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work with your XBOX360 (love mine too!)

Good luck with your purchase, be sure to let us know how it turns out.

Damo
 
To the OP: Welcome (I hope) to the world of Mac!

Try and ignore the people on this board who just want to pick a fight whenever you mention Vista or a feature you feel is lacking in OS X. A lot of people like to deal in absolutes, which is most unhelpful. I can see from your responses that you will be able to do just that, so kudos!

I was in a very similar position to you a few years ago. I was very happy with my Windows life, but had some bugbears that I thought could be solved with OS X. I had many of the same questions as you, including being unsure of the maximise function and the old partitioning debate.

You'll be pleased to know that I forgot all about this about 2 days into my first Mac. As others have said, the maximise function never made sense, not even on Windows. When I use Vista now, I have everything un-maximised. So much better! Same goes for the partitioning, it wouldn't even cross my mind to do it now (well, except to bit-locker Vista, but that's another story! :D)

Unlike some of the aggressive (why? he's just asking questions?) replies you have received, I do recommend you go for a Mac. You get the best of both worlds. Run Windows via BootCamp or VMware. I use VMware (less and less as time goes by) for the necessities and it works great. I haven't used the Media Center components, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work with your XBOX360 (love mine too!)

Good luck with your purchase, be sure to let us know how it turns out.

Damo

Thanks for the response. You say that you're using VMware less and less - is this because you're using boot camp, or are relying less on Windows? What programs are you still running in Windows, and what's kept you from working 100% in OSX?

Also, what's the load time for VMware and Bootcamp. I realize Bootcamp will take much longer, but I'm just curious how long it takes to get into each. I used to dual boot Windows ME/Win2k and it was slightly annoying switching back and forth.


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Thanks for the response. You say that you're using VMware less and less - is this because you're using boot camp, or are relying less on Windows? What programs are you still running in Windows, and what's kept you from working 100% in OSX?

Also, what's the load time for VMware and Bootcamp. I realize Bootcamp will take much longer, but I'm just curious how long it takes to get into each. I used to dual boot Windows ME/Win2k and it was slightly annoying switching back and forth.


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I don't use BootCamp at all anymore. The reason I use VMware less is because I've found great OS X alternatives. I had a heap of freeware/shareware in Windows world that I relied on that I have now replaced. Examples are Adium to replace MSN/AIM, MacTheRipper to replace DVDecrypter, MPFreaker to replace ID3TagIt and iSquint to replace the variety of video compression tools I used on Windows. The list goes on. iTunes on the Mac is also a beautiful thing, unlike how it runs on Windows.

The great thing about OS X is that the free apps are generally very high quality. I was a bit worried when I first switched that I'd be limited in terms of choice. What I discovered is that quality is much more important than quantity.

I still use VMware for running Office 2003 and our internal time report application. I prefer Office 2003 mainly because of Outlook, Project, Visio and it's overall SharePoint integration. For everything else, I use OS X.

BootCamp will be pretty quick, especially on new hardware. I have seen Vista boot in about 45 seconds on my early 2008 MBP. Via VMware is pretty quick, but i use XP. It takes about 35-40 seconds to boot up. VMware is a better option in my opinion (unless you want to game) because you don't need to reboot to get it up and running. You also don't need to have files stored on different as different OS, which could get confusing.

Damo
 
Alright, alright. I think we've settled this post then...

1. There is no practical way to maximize windows. The zoom features sizes the window to the size of the content. Check.

2. You can have your iPhoto and iTunes library and documents wherever you want. You can specify the location of these libraries in application preferences just like in Windows. Check.

3. No one has posted anything in particular that bothers them about OS X. I have nothing to add. Check.

4. Connect 360 is best solution offered for XBox connectivity. Check.

5. There are a number of things with OS X that you might consider to be "limitations" but are really just "different". OS X is not Windows. OS X is not trying to be Windows or offer the feature set of Windows. OS X is an entirely different operating system based on different technology, design, and philosophy. You consider them limitations on OS X because it's what you're used to. If you went from OS X to Windows you'd consider the loss of zoom a limitation, you'd consider the lack of drag-and-drop software installation a limitation, and the lack of Exposé a limitation.

So, if you're worried about having to "put up with it" and can't "make the same sacrifice" then maybe OS X is not for you. If you like the feature set of OS X, then, go for it. But, you'll find little sympathy here for people trying to replicate their Windows experience on the Mac and complaining about it being a "limitation". I apologize about the terse nature of my reply, it is not my intention to come off as an ass. Good luck!
 
I don't use BootCamp at all anymore. The reason I use VMware less is because I've found great OS X alternatives. I had a heap of freeware/shareware in Windows world that I relied on that I have now replaced. Examples are Adium to replace MSN/AIM, MacTheRipper to replace DVDecrypter, MPFreaker to replace ID3TagIt and iSquint to replace the variety of video compression tools I used on Windows. The list goes on. iTunes on the Mac is also a beautiful thing, unlike how it runs on Windows.

The great thing about OS X is that the free apps are generally very high quality. I was a bit worried when I first switched that I'd be limited in terms of choice. What I discovered is that quality is much more important than quantity.

I still use VMware for running Office 2003 and our internal time report application. I prefer Office 2003 mainly because of Outlook, Project, Visio and it's overall SharePoint integration. For everything else, I use OS X.

BootCamp will be pretty quick, especially on new hardware. I have seen Vista boot in about 45 seconds on my early 2008 MBP. Via VMware is pretty quick, but i use XP. It takes about 35-40 seconds to boot up. VMware is a better option in my opinion (unless you want to game) because you don't need to reboot to get it up and running. You also don't need to have files stored on different as different OS, which could get confusing.

Damo
Have you tried Office 2008? I'm curious why you use Office 2003.....You mentioned Outlook/Project/Visio - I take it these aren't available in the Mac version. Also, what's Sharepoint?


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Whoa, I definitely started this response in the morning and kept getting busy ....

I'm currently searching for a new notebook and have a few on my list - the Macbook pro is currently on top. I'm a life-long Windows user and have been using Vista without any issues...happy user here.

I've played with the Macbook pro at the store...it's a great machine. A couple of things irk me, however...

1. Is there really no way to maximize windows w/ 1-click? In Windows, I can maximize a window to take up the entire screen. If I click the "+" icon on a Mac, it doesn't maximize the window....what's worse, if I'm in a browser, it sometimes shrinks the window to the width of the webpage...this drives me nuts. I realize websites have a bunch of unused white space, but if I want to maximize the screen, let me ***** maximize without having to manually resize.

This remains one of the most inconsistently behaving features of Mac OS, and it has been since at least Mac OS 9 and probably before. I've been using OS X since DPs of 10.0, and I still am annoyed by this constantly.

2. In the short time I was playing with the computer, I wasn't able to figure out how to re-locate my docs, my music, etc. On my Vista machine, I have multiple hard drive partitions, with my documents located on a non-os partition. I can re-point Vista's default location of my docs/music/pics/contacts etc. to the partitioned drive. Can this be done on OSX?

So while it probably can be done with some trickery - either by some aforementioned method or using CLI tools like symbolic links, I agree with those that say it's time to get modern. There are two issues at least going on here. The first is the OS integration -- at absolutely every level, the concept of home (~/) is integrated, so apps automatically know where they should look for various types of data. While my ~/Documents folder is very well organized inside itself, I still do use it for docs because it helps me communicate with the OS better. I *hated* that ridiculous Documents\ and\ Settings folder in Windows because the spaces were so friggin unncessary, and the actual folder, if I recall, was kind of buried. The OS X home folder is, within the Unix path, at /Users/darwinian for a short user name of 'darwinian'. Or even better at ~/. Or $HOME .... It's very much a part of the way Unix is "done."

Now, old time Linux folks often had partitions to deal with swap and home folders etc. but that's pretty limiting space-wise. I am very happy these days with 1 partition systems on a modern FS.

If you really want physical separation, do a proper backup of your drive. In your current two drive configuration (with you "home" folder on a separate physical drive), there's no good reason to believe either drive will fail first. So if your home drive happens to fail, then yes, you have an OS still, but you've still lost all your important stuff. Mixed media redundancy is still the best solution for this.

3. There are things that I REALLY REALLY like about the MBP, but I'm hesitant to drop $2500 on a new computer to gain some cool new features, but lose some basic ones that I've grown accustomed to. What other things bother you about OSX?

Two things immediately come to mind when I think of OS X v. Windows. (The last Win I used regularly was Windows 98. I have some experience with 2k, Me, Vista, Server 2003, and of course XP.)

I should note that OS X in nearly everything else but these two areas are far superior (in my opinion) to Windows.

However ...

The first is font rendering. I am a ClearType fan. I don't really know a lot about subpixel rendering and all that, but I do know that I prefer ClearType to OS X's anti-aliasing method.

The second is, actually, keyboard navigation. There are several windows in OS X that often are not accessible easily via keyboard (license agreements upon mounting disk images or installation, almost any small-title bar window such as some About dialogs and help dialogs). I recall about Windows that everything was easily accessible via kbd. Even the default kbd method of accessing the menu in OS X is cumbersome - ctrl+fn+F2 (this is configurable).

I generally belittle the customization claim (Windows is more customizable but trades off stability, UI consistency) and the compatibility claims (OS X documents not compatible with Windows and vice versa). I find more often than not that quality software on OS X isn't available on Windows and not the other way around (Skim and BibDesk, for instance).
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... will I have any limitations (from a vista user's perspective) if I make the switch?

Thanks for your thoughts.

When I switched in 99, I made a list of things I couldn't sacrifice and researched the solutions one by one. I decided that the sacrifices were worthwhile for the ones where a solution wasn't directly analogous.

Thanks for the responses.

1. I'm glad to see that many agree that they first missed the issue of non-maximizable windows, but learned to love it. I'm hopeful that I'll get used to the new treatment, but it still perplexes the hell out of me that with such a strong window management system (spaces, expose, touchpad gestures) that Apple wouldn't even allow the option of easily maximizing windows. You would think that the fact that it has such great options for multitasking that having maximized windows would work great because it's so easy to switch between programs. I don't understand the point of not even having the option...

munkery - thanks for the trick on how to set the default screen size for safari. this will come in handy, should i take the plunge.

For me, I actually prefer the window mode of Windows, even after all these years. Though Leopard has taken additional steps to really highlight the active window, I still get lost sometimes in a workflow of several windows and forget which one has focus.
 
Yikes - I almost missed this one, but was reminded after I was looking at the placement of some keys on the keyboard.

1. There are no home/end/pg up/pg dn keys. Are there shortcuts for these?
2. What's with the delete vs. backspace keys? I only see delete and it's in the same place as the backspace key. Is the functionality the same, just named differently?


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Yikes - I almost missed this one, but was reminded after I was looking at the placement of some keys on the keyboard.

1. There are no home/end/pg up/pg dn keys. Are there shortcuts for these?
2. What's with the delete vs. backspace keys? I only see delete and it's in the same place as the backspace key. Is the functionality the same, just named differently?


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1. fn+arrow keys do all of that. Plus, I guess most or all of the emacs keybindings work in any CoreText using app.

2. delete == backspace. fn+delete == delete
 
Have you tried Office 2008? I'm curious why you use Office 2003.....You mentioned Outlook/Project/Visio - I take it these aren't available in the Mac version. Also, what's Sharepoint?


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I tried Office 2008 and I'm not super keen on it. I'm sure it works great for some people, but it doesn't offer me any compelling reason to use it. I might also add that I have tried Office 2007 and don't really like that much, so it's not just because it's the Mac version of Office. Entourage is okay but it cannot do RPC over HTTP/S, so that rules it out as my Exchange client (we don't allow WebDAV connections).

Project and Visio are Windows only. No way around that. You might try running them with Cross Over, which allows Windows native apps to run on OS X, but I've not tried that.

SharePoint is a server technology offered by Microsoft. Office documents can be uploaded, shared and versioned automatically. It does a lot more than this, but for the purpose of this discussion, that will suffice.

Damo
 
I tried Office 2008 and I'm not super keen on it. I'm sure it works great for some people, but it doesn't offer me any compelling reason to use it. I might also add that I have tried Office 2007 and don't really like that much, so it's not just because it's the Mac version of Office. Entourage is okay but it cannot do RPC over HTTP/S, so that rules it out as my Exchange client (we don't allow WebDAV connections).

Project and Visio are Windows only. No way around that. You might try running them with Cross Over, which allows Windows native apps to run on OS X, but I've not tried that.

SharePoint is a server technology offered by Microsoft. Office documents can be uploaded, shared and versioned automatically. It does a lot more than this, but for the purpose of this discussion, that will suffice.

Damo
Thanks again!


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