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Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a troll job and legitimate inquiries. The initial question sounds legit, the constant defense of Vista sounds like trolling, then the thread tones down and sounds legit again.

Regardless, I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt and throw my 2 cents in. In part, because I had several of the same questions when I first switched. I think many of us did.

1. The lack of a "Maximize" button is hated (or at least feared) by pretty much all switchers at first. Many of us give working "windowed" a try and end up preferring it. Some don't, and just set their browser to full-screen.

I think a lot of it has to do with your screen size and resolution. If you're working on a MB, you're probably more likely to want your window full screen than you are if you're on a 30" cinema display at full resolution.

If you're on a 30" at full res, the last thing you're ever going to want is a full-screen browser window. It makes reading next to impossible. There's a reason newspapers, magazines and books print in columns, or at least narrow pages. When I'm on my MBP, my window is near full-size. When it's plugged into my 24" monitor, it only takes up about 60% of my screen width.

What I think is cool about the green (+) button is how smart it is. It fits the page on a Web browser, but "maximizes" in something that will actually benefit it, like iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band, Aperture, etc.

Regarding the multi-tasking debate: The comments made by the Mac diehards aren't really so much about a computer's ability to multi-task, as they are a person's ability to multi-task. Yes, both OSs can have multiple things open at once and have multiple processes running at the same time. Where the Mac is different is that it's meant to be used in a way that has you actually looking at multiple programs at the same time. You can do this in Windows too by re-sizing and windowing, but most Windows users rarely do this. They switch back and forth by clicking on the buttons on the bottom, or by alt-tabbing. Mac users are more likely to have multiple windows open in front of them at the same time. However, we're not immune to alt(command) tabbing... Or... Better yet... Using Expose.

2. One of my first posts on the forum as asking about partitioning. I did it for a different reason, though. I did it (in Windows) to enhance performance. Windows really likes this. I wanted the OS/Apps on one partition to keep things fast... Then I had Web sites on one partition and docs on another. Music on an external, etc.

The answers I got were to not mess with it. I assumed they were wrong. Afterall, most Windows users didn't know this trick either. But, reluctantly, I decided to give it a shot.

Two years later, and I couldn't be happier. These guys were all right. I didn't need to mess with this stuff to keep my machine running fast. And, with the ability to put folder shortcuts in Finder's sidebar (appearing almost like a drive), I don't miss, what I thought would be, the lack of organization.

I still keep my music on an external drive, but just for the sake of portability and RAID redundancy.

With that said, you're welcome to store your stuff anywhere you want to. I've met hundreds of Mac users, and many keep their stuff on external drives.

BTW, iPhoto doing your folder/file management for you is going to scare you as well. Ignore it and just work. Trust the force. You'll come around.

Regarding the OP's comment on backing stuff up, I have two words: Time Machine. Seriously. It couldn't possibly be easier. IMO, it's 1000 times better than what you mentioned, when it comes to a quick restoration of a new computer.

I recently bought one of the new MBPs. When I first started it up, it asked me if I wanted to do a Time Machine restoration. I said "yes", plugged the drive in, and let it run overnight. When I returned to the machine in the morning, not only were all my docs/music/moves/photos/etc. restored, every last detail on the new machine was exactly like the old one. Every preference, my desktop background, my mail read/unread status, iTunes playcounts/playlists/ratings/last-played date/etc., my custom stacks, my dock icons, my dashboard widgets... everything. Even all my apps were reinstalled. I think 3-4 of them required me to enter the reg codes again, but that was it. This was an enormous time-saver for me. The entire restoration was faster than manually installing Final Cut Studio, alone, would have been.
 
I just wanted to make a post to the OP that it is obvious that you have made your mind up to get a mac. Your arguing points that you said made you un-easy with moving over to a mac in the first place and saying you can put up with them. In terms of my personal preference I bought a my mac purely for the laptop and not the operating system. I installed bootcamp right when I got it and thought this is all I need. I no longer have windows on my computer and I can't stop using OSX. It's the easiest smoothest and quickest feeling OS I have ever used. I was a hardcore windows person and yes the differences are hard to get used to. But that is what they are differences, no nessisarily negatives just a different and in my opinion easier faster way to get things done. Expose and spaces is a god send and I set up all windows vista computers I have with quick launch now to simulate a dock. There are small little nitpicky things possibly in the beginning but they don't ever bother me. Quick tip when you get your mac since I know your going to get it, learn all the keyboard shortcuts. They do wonders for productivity. Finally to answer a question which may have been answered already, Vista on the Macbook Pro will do everything like a normal PC running Vista, So in the end you'll end up with a great laptop even if you don't enjoy OSX as much as I do.
 
BTW, I too run Windows (XP) on my Mac. I use two Windows apps:

MP3 Gain

Random Password Generator Pro

If anyone knows of good replacements for them, please let me know.

I'll never completely uninstall Windows, as I'm a Web developer, and need to test my sites in Windows browsers. Just as Windows-based Web developers should be testing in OS X.
 
...blatantly inaccurate. I prefer OS X to Windows now...but come on...read the thread.

I apologize for my inability to see into the future. At the time of my post the responses to this question were as follows:

"I love OS X."

"Nothing bothers me about Mac OS X."

"I haven't really found anything that "bothers" me about OS X in the last 5.5 years that I've been using it."

"I didn't see any complaints here.....anyone?"

"Hmm. Wouldn't know about a thing that bothers me after a year and a half using OS X."

There was one exception, where the ability to not open files in the trash was mentioned. For that, I apologize. ...But... otherwise... come on... read the... thread... and... Merry... Christ... mas!
 
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a troll job and legitimate inquiries.
I'm not trolling - really. Like another user keenly observed, I've essentially already decided that I'll be getting a MBP. I just want to dig up any excuse NOT to get one. I do this with any major purchase - research, research, and more research to make absolutely sure that it's the right choice. While I can certainly afford the purchase, I make sure that it's money well spent. As for my "defense" of Vista: I really don't think I've defended Vista at all, I'm merely defending the way I use my computer and the habits I've developed. I'm sure you can appreciate that habits are hard to break, and I want to understand the logic behind the way OSX handles things. Speaking of logic and OSX....

1. The lack of a "Maximize" button is hated (or at least feared) by pretty much all switchers at first. Many of us give working "windowed" a try and end up preferring it. Some don't, and just set their browser to full-screen.

I think a lot of it has to do with your screen size and resolution...

If you're on a 30" at full res, the last thing you're ever going to want is a full-screen browser window....

What I think is cool about the green (+) button is how smart it is. It fits the page on a Web browser, but "maximizes" in something that will actually benefit it, like iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band, Aperture, etc.
This is the best explanation I've heard yet regarding the functionality of the + button. It makes perfect sense to not have your apps fully maximized on a 24" display. I think that with the previous suggestion of setting default screen sizes and the explanation you gave about the behavior of the + icon, I'll be good to go.

I'll definitely be using Time Machine...although it's still unclear to me as to which network drives are compatible. I've started a different thread trying to figure this out....

Also, I don't really mind iPhoto managing my pics. What I think would drive me nuts is iTunes organizing my music. In Windows, I can specify to NOT have iTunes manage my music folder. Can I do the same in OSX?


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There was one exception, where the ability to not open files in the trash was mentioned. For that, I apologize. ...But... otherwise... come on... read the... thread... and... Merry... Christ... mas!

Sorry about my original post...tired+grumpy equals not the best time to post on forums. Happy Christmas.

I can however think of plenty more things that annoy me ;)

The dock resizes itself every time I restart OS X. Grrrrrrrr.
 
Also, I don't really mind iPhoto managing my pics. What I think would drive me nuts is iTunes organizing my music. In Windows, I can specify to NOT have iTunes manage my music folder. Can I do the same in OSX?

Do you mean the actual music folders and moving files around?

You can turn that off just fine. I mainly use iTunes to play my music, but it's all from my own directory structure on an external drive which iTunes doesn't touch. You just have to make sure things like <add song to iTunes = copy the file to Music folder> are off.
 
1. Is there really no way to maximize windows w/ 1-click? In Windows, I can maximize a window to take up the entire screen. If I click the "+" icon on a Mac, it doesn't maximize the window....what's worse, if I'm in a browser, it sometimes shrinks the window to the width of the webpage...this drives me nuts. I realize websites have a bunch of unused white space, but if I want to maximize the screen, let me ***** maximize without having to manually resize.

There is software for it, but I find dragging the window corner quite easy.

2. In the short time I was playing with the computer, I wasn't able to figure out how to re-locate my docs, my music, etc. On my Vista machine, I have multiple hard drive partitions, with my documents located on a non-os partition. I can re-point Vista's default location of my docs/music/pics/contacts etc. to the partitioned drive. Can this be done on OSX?

You can create different folders and drag and drop them as shortcuts, as far as designated home folders go, you can't.

3. There are things that I REALLY REALLY like about the MBP, but I'm hesitant to drop $2500 on a new computer to gain some cool new features, but lose some basic ones that I've grown accustomed to. What other things bother you about OSX?

The fact that the OS is bloated with crap that I have to reinstall it the first time I get a new computer.

Who needs 20 languages and printer drivers for every printer imaginable.

I also hate when the computer kernel panics (Mac BSOD), and I have no idea what happened unless I dig into the logs. In Windows, at least it would tell me what the error was (a bit cryptic at times, but at least it's there!)

4. I have an Xbox 360 that I LOOOVVVEEEE. I connect to my Vista PC occasionally to use Media Center and browse my media. Is there a way to do this w/ OSX, or will I have to boot-camp into my Vista installation.

I don't own a console, so I couldn't tell you.

5. I currently own an iPhone, and although it's the coolest phone I've ever used, I'm sometimes frustrated by how limited I am....there are many things I wish I could do on the phone that I simply can't. I've put up with it, however, because it's a phone. I can't make the same sacrifice with my computer.......will I have any limitations (from a vista user's perspective) if I make the switch?

Well you can do a lot in OS X. The thing about the iPhone is people have been living with other devices for a long time and the new phone was a switch. It's not that cool to me.
 
As far as I'm concerned, you CAN browse your mediawith your XBOX360.
My friend has both PC and a MacBook, and he can browse files from both.

His set up is that his XBOX360 is connected to his router via a LAN cable, then both his PC/MacBook are in the same network wirelessly.

G'luck with your purchase :D First time I've switched to a mac (back in the days with my good-ol' Mac Mini G4.. my first mac computer... :)), I had some "transition" period for about a week. After that, I LOVED OS X all the way. :D

Since then, I had converted 3 friends of mine into mac, and they all LOVE the OS and small features that make lives a little easier.

Thing about Cut and Paste, is that you cannot do it on the finder.. Of course you can use it in the Office Suites.

Then I made another transition from my Fujitsu Laptop to MacBook Pro.
LOVE IT :D I find myself trying to use 2-finger scrolling, 3/4 finger gestures on my friends' laptop and get frustrated. It's just SO USEFUL after using it for about 2-3 days.

All the insert/delete/home/end/pg down.. blah blah. They're all there via the fn+key combo. It's just not printed on the keyboard. I guess Apple thought it's.... not appealing to look at?

Haha, anyways, congrats and GOOD LUCK:D
 
It turns out, you can open files in Trash.

For a file foo.txt, just use the command

open ~/.Trash/foo.txt

You can even quicklook it with qlmanage.

I don't know the underlying mechanism for this, like it copies the file over to tmp or something, but it does work.
 
Sorry to dig up an old thread, but is it still the case that you cannot maximize windows by pressing a single button on OSX?

I tried to do it in the store, and everytime I pressed the button it did something different.

I've read through the posts for the reasoning behind this, but personally I don't understand how OSX-defenders can say that Msft Windows is not a multi-tasking machine whereas OSX is. In Msft Windows, I can still have multiple windows open and multi-task just as easily as in OSX. However, when I want to focus on one application, I can maximize the window and do that.

It seems that Windows gives you the CHOICE, whereas OSX chooses for you. Of course you can drag the window the full screen, but I find it easier just to have a standard button/command to do it all the time consistently.

I am in no way a troll or anything. I am over 90% decided on getting a MBP, but this lack of a feature is really starting to get to me. I just want to know if there is any way to overcome it, such as in the system preferences. My friend has a MBP and says that he can maximize windows without any problems using the green + button. So have things changed?

Will they include this feature for the snow leopard release?

I mean, it just seems like a better idea to give end-users an option under system preferences or something like that.
 
edit:
wtf, zombie thread!

and yes, Nov, thats correct. The "+" button is very schizo. In firefox it maximizes, in finder it adjusts the height (but not width), in the calculator it makes the window bigger and adds more functions, in iTunes is turn it into the mini-player. The point is that the + function has to be learned for every app because its completely unpredictable.
 
Well I just read that if you hold the OPTION button and click on the green + button, it will maximize the window.

Is this true? I don't have a MBP to test it out on.
 
I'm currently searching for a new notebook and have a few on my list - the Macbook pro is currently on top. I'm a life-long Windows user and have been using Vista without any issues...happy user here.

I've played with the Macbook pro at the store...it's a great machine. A couple of things irk me, however...

1. Is there really no way to maximize windows w/ 1-click? In Windows, I can maximize a window to take up the entire screen. If I click the "+" icon on a Mac, it doesn't maximize the window....what's worse, if I'm in a browser, it sometimes shrinks the window to the width of the webpage...this drives me nuts. I realize websites have a bunch of unused white space, but if I want to maximize the screen, let me ***** maximize without having to manually resize.

2. In the short time I was playing with the computer, I wasn't able to figure out how to re-locate my docs, my music, etc. On my Vista machine, I have multiple hard drive partitions, with my documents located on a non-os partition. I can re-point Vista's default location of my docs/music/pics/contacts etc. to the partitioned drive. Can this be done on OSX?

3. There are things that I REALLY REALLY like about the MBP, but I'm hesitant to drop $2500 on a new computer to gain some cool new features, but lose some basic ones that I've grown accustomed to. What other things bother you about OSX?

4. I have an Xbox 360 that I LOOOVVVEEEE. I connect to my Vista PC occasionally to use Media Center and browse my media. Is there a way to do this w/ OSX, or will I have to boot-camp into my Vista installation.

5. I currently own an iPhone, and although it's the coolest phone I've ever used, I'm sometimes frustrated by how limited I am....there are many things I wish I could do on the phone that I simply can't. I've put up with it, however, because it's a phone. I can't make the same sacrifice with my computer.......will I have any limitations (from a vista user's perspective) if I make the switch?

Thanks for your thoughts.


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1. http://www.machangout.com/ it has a extention for safari that includes among other useful things, the ability to maximize the window for safari. Or, you could use firefox, which the green "zoom" button maximizes to full screen. Some programs maximize full screen..others choose not to.
2. Yea. The sidebar in finder windows can be customized however you want with whatever folders. Word and most other programs can be told where to look default for files just like windows.
3. It is a lot of money, but i'd recommend the $1999 version. What you get for the extra 500 is really worth maybe $150 honestly. Still, 2k is a lot for a laptop. If that's daunting, there is always the macbook for less $.
4. look up "connect360"
5. I wouldn't say I give anything up b\c I dual boot into vista if I need anything on the windows end..but honestly most non-game software has a mac version these days. Also, office 2007 for windows is much better than office 2008 for mac. 2008 is good enough though in my opinion, but if there was a straight port of office 2007 or if you could run it emulated or through vmware or something that would be best prob.
 
Ok...but that's still pretty bad. What's the logic behind not having cut/paste? Does this apply to the entire OS, because the only app I use cut/paste in is Excel.


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just in the finder you can't cut and paste in the windows sense..instead you drag and drop to a different folder..which gets you to the same place..just a different method
 
Well I just read that if you hold the OPTION button and click on the green + button, it will maximize the window.

Is this true? I don't have a MBP to test it out on.

Holding ALT while clicking Zoom in Finder moves the window to the top left corner, but resizes it the same goofy way. Nothing changes in Calculator or Safari though, and in Mail it maximizes no matter what button i press. So it seems that Alt+zoom only works in finder, and it just moves it to the top left. Yay for logical window management!
 
Your questions/concerns are perfectly justified

It's obvious that you're not a troll. Seems like a few people here get all defensive as soon as you mention some Windows functions that aren't obvious (or available) in OSX. :rolleyes: Pretty funny really, especially considering that you only mentioned a hand-full and they are all minor and able to be overcome.

As I "converted" around a year ago, I know what you mean on all points and see your questions/concerns as completely normal and PERFECTLY JUSTIFIED. I had these same questions (and more) a year ago.

Your questions/concerns have all been pretty much covered. In addition to what has already been said... while cutting of files in Windows is nice for someone who is paying attention and knows what they're are doing, it can be a pretty dangerous function to anyone else. Maybe this is why it's not in OSX?? However, as said, you can MOVE instead (drag and drop) - so the same thing can be achieved, just in a different way.

As said, the function + delete key = backspace. This really is the only major gripe that I have with Mac (and things could be a lot worse :)). If you're using both Windows and Mac's, it's easy to get mixed up and confused going from one to the other all the time - especially if you've been touch typing in Windows for a decade. Even after a year, I'm still making mistakes. Maybe one day I'll be all good?? It would have been much easier (for converts like me) if Apple had put a backspace key on a MAC keyboard instead of the delete key. That's what gets me - 2 different keys in the same place! The other thing is that I (for one) certainly use backspace more than delete. It should be a backpace key! :(

Anyway, I'm still releasing myself from the idea that I need to manage my OS after it being a critical thing that needed to be done with Windows - but I'm pretty much there - I've skipped the bit about letting iPhoto take control of my photo's though :p Maybe one day!

I also run Windows in a virtual machine, and while it's certainly not as fast as running it natively in Bootcamp, it's fine to me because I use it so infrequently. Apart from some ECU tuning software that only runs on Windows, I pretty much only ever jump in there to use IE if I want to make sure Safari isn't responsible for an issue that I may be having at the time.

One additional thing which hasn't really been touched on is that there certainly is a lot less OS "tweaking" and customizing able to be done by the OSX GUI compared to a Windows GUI. I wish I could change my text properties in a more advanced way for example. However, this is another thing you get used to and seems to fit in with the whole Apple experience of simplicity and function.

I wonder how many people move from Windows to MAC, give MAC a proper go, then actually move back to Windows again. I wouldn't think that it would be common.
 
2. The reason I partition my drive in Windows is for two reasons: (1) It isolates my documents. If the OS ever fails, I can just take the HD and put it in an external enclosure and easily transfer the files to a new computer. Granted, this is just a residual of how I used to set up my PC under Windows 95 when things went wrong all the time. I haven't had to do this kind of recovery in years, but I still like the "safety" of knowing my files are separate from the OS partition. (2) I partition my drive so that my files are located on the outermost section of the HD. Because of radial velocity (term check?!?!), read/write speeds are faster the farther away from the center of the HD you get. The speed increase is negligible, but again, it was something I set up back in the day and have just continued the practice. I guess the biggest problem is that it kinda just ticks me off that I don't have the option to relocate my documents folder....whether it helps or not, why can't I put my documents where I want them to be?

You can do this but:
• OS X already keeps your documents separate from the system files, so in the event of a system failure you can still transfer things over.
• If your system hard drive fails it doesn't matter how many partitions you have, they're all going to be gone anyway. If you want to use an external drive for your documents there will be no issue.
• Even if you partition there is no guarantee your documents are going to be towards the outside of the disk, and with caching, this really doesn't matter at all. Your data is going to be in the cache and you aren't going to have to go out to the disk anyway.

If you want to save your documents elsewhere, just save them elsewhere. If you want to move your documents folder, just go ahead and move it. You can put an alias (shortcut) back to it in it's old location if you want everything to link up.

Partitioning can be done using the Disk Utility program in your applications folder, but it's really entirely completely unnecessary. My parents computer just had two successive system failures (it was pretty old), and I was able to migrate their documents with no issues and they don't use partitions.

Edit: Woah, old thread... haha... nevermind....
 
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