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jiggie2g said:
Guys like you are very funny!
You know so little it's a real laugh. I'm sure you're a real expert.
Apple's initial security wasn't that strong. There wasn't any question about that.The developers have already said that the newer version is much more so. It doesn't come equipped with the security that Apple is patenting. Learn something about it before you shoot your mouth off.
I'm sure that there are others besides myself who are wondering why you're even here except to make a nuisance of yourself.
Ummm, we were discussing a Dell workstation....slooksterPSV said:Sorry you're wrong, they have 8 slots:
See =D,
Hot avatar, though....
2x 3Ghz Xeon Nocona
ASUS NCCH-DL mainboard
4x 512mb RAM PC3200 CAS 3-6-3-3 1T
X800XT-PE AGP
Adaptec 3960D Dual U160 SCSI controller
3x Fujitsu 15k SCSI 36gig drives
2x Pioneer 16x DVD burners
Chenbro SR107 case, Antec 550w supply
32bit XP and 32bit cinebench
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CINEBENCH 2003 v1
****************************************************
Tester :
Processor :
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 4
Operating System :
Graphics Card :
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>
****************************************************
Rendering (Single CPU): 266 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 578 CB-CPU
Multiprocessor Speedup: 2.18
Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 341 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 1390 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 2983 CB-GFX
OpenGL Speedup: 8.74
****************************************************
64bit XP and 64bit cinebench
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CINEBENCH 2003 v1
****************************************************
Tester :
Processor :
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 4
Operating System :
Graphics Card :
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>
****************************************************
Rendering (Single CPU): 326 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 680 CB-CPU
Multiprocessor Speedup: 2.08
Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 372 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 1405 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 2677 CB-GFX
OpenGL Speedup: 7.19
****************************************************
ASUS NCCH-DL mainboard
4x 512mb RAM PC3200 CAS 3-6-3-3 1T
X800XT-PE AGP
Adaptec 3960D Dual U160 SCSI controller
3x Fujitsu 15k SCSI 36gig drives
2x Pioneer 16x DVD burners
Chenbro SR107 case, Antec 550w supply
32bit XP and 32bit cinebench
----------------------------
CINEBENCH 2003 v1
****************************************************
Tester :
Processor :
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 4
Operating System :
Graphics Card :
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>
****************************************************
Rendering (Single CPU): 266 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 578 CB-CPU
Multiprocessor Speedup: 2.18
Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 341 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 1390 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 2983 CB-GFX
OpenGL Speedup: 8.74
****************************************************
64bit XP and 64bit cinebench
----------------------------
CINEBENCH 2003 v1
****************************************************
Tester :
Processor :
MHz :
Number of CPUs : 4
Operating System :
Graphics Card :
Resolution : <fill this out>
Color Depth : <fill this out>
****************************************************
Rendering (Single CPU): 326 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 680 CB-CPU
Multiprocessor Speedup: 2.08
Shading (CINEMA 4D) : 372 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Software Lighting) : 1405 CB-GFX
Shading (OpenGL Hardware Lighting) : 2677 CB-GFX
OpenGL Speedup: 7.19
****************************************************
Thanks and sorry, I just know Apple's better lol. I need to read more before posting on some.AidenShaw said:
I love this Avatar.
Hi Guys:
Im new on the site and hate to post this on here, but seems like there are a lot of people on this category viewing right now. Having some serious issues with my mac..can anyone help..and if I can kindly ask, can you please reply back to the thread? Once,hopefully, I get it fixed, I will delete this post from here. Thanks guys/gals.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/161116/
I sincerely apologize if this has been talked about here before, but in sort of dire need to get this mac fixed. I have a 733 / 1GB RAM Powermac G4 Quicksilver--completely clean.
When I first launched it, the internet was fine and was loading quick. As I did a sofware upgrade, I updated everything on the screen.
Now, my Safari or even Explorer, when I enter the url address, it takes soo long for the page to load. ie. when I type in google.com it takes close to 15-25 seconds for site to load up.
I have 10.3.9 by the way. Has anyone else experienced this? Any help would be so greatly appreciated.
Im new on the site and hate to post this on here, but seems like there are a lot of people on this category viewing right now. Having some serious issues with my mac..can anyone help..and if I can kindly ask, can you please reply back to the thread? Once,hopefully, I get it fixed, I will delete this post from here. Thanks guys/gals.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/161116/
I sincerely apologize if this has been talked about here before, but in sort of dire need to get this mac fixed. I have a 733 / 1GB RAM Powermac G4 Quicksilver--completely clean.
When I first launched it, the internet was fine and was loading quick. As I did a sofware upgrade, I updated everything on the screen.
Now, my Safari or even Explorer, when I enter the url address, it takes soo long for the page to load. ie. when I type in google.com it takes close to 15-25 seconds for site to load up.
I have 10.3.9 by the way. Has anyone else experienced this? Any help would be so greatly appreciated.
lha72 said:
The Quad is liquid-cooled as per my EDU rep (and confirmed by one of the lucky guys who already have one).
JT
jiggie2g said:
OK, then download it. I have a friend that has dowloaded his and has been running it smooth on his AMD 64Athlon for over a full week. He hasnt even booted window yet; even though he's sworn against a Mac. I'd like to see you download a Mac app or even go buy one and run it smoothly! Then come back, create a new thread & post. What you dont get is, most windows fanatics would download OS X on Intel run it for a week; just to navigate around, and then dump it. These group of people aren't hooking up a DV camcorder playing with iMovie nor even iDVD, nor even hooking up a Midi/USB Keyboard for playing with GarageBand. You'll write off the OS as useless because you havent fully utilized it with other apps. If windows is so good why do you want to download OS X for Intel in the first place? THe curiousity has a root; and its there for some reason. My friend did mention that he was amazed at how stable OS X for Intel is and was in fact "Its not half bad at all"; he's beginning to see why I want to goto Mac!
Prom1 said:
People here don't what i was trying to say in my last few post. I really hate Mac snobs like Melgross , people like him justify the stereotype that Mac users are all a bunch of Aristocratic jerks with too much to blow on over priced computers.
Getting back to the Intel thing , People only download it now and keep it for a week because there are no drivers or programs available for it , unless u want to use that slowwwww Rosetta.crap. I specifically said in a year I would use OSX on my PC after things have seattled as far as programming is concerned.
Inerver said widows was great I don't care for windows, however my primary system is an Athlon X2 / nForce 4 Ultra based Win XP Pro machine. I also own an G4 iMac which served be well for 3yrs untill it was time to get an upgrade.
I did the Math and my PC was a much cheaper alternative and I'm not some freakin High School brat who will open up stupid chain letters and spam thus infect myself with viruses. I know how to run a clean and stable system. I bet 80% of the people who post here couldn't run a stable non mac OS system to save thier life Melgross included. While I Love OSX and can't wait for the day when it's ready to run full time on x86 . at this point and time it's not worth me spending over $2000 on hardware with no future. G5 is doomed , like it or not.
My PC is faster then any mac save for the QUAD (which is not even) , and It cost 60% of the price of a DC 2ghz PM.
joker
This response shows up what I said.
Anyone who disagrees with a PC user (and supposed future switcher) is automatically called a snob or a fanatic when they present information they don't like.
We might as well say the same thing about you.
I probably know more about Windows that you do.
I was a partner in a commercial phot lab for over 27 years until my partner and I sold it early this year.
I bought dozens of computers over that time. Both Mac's and PC's.
I installed Novell on our main server used for accounting and front counter terminals. Windows machines aren't so difficult to setup or maintain. most PC users just don't know that, so they don't bother.
But, Mac's are even easier.
What I said earlier is the truth. If you had some interest, you would have thought that maybe you should find out something about it, as I said, instead of blabbing again. The PC community has been saying that this looks as though it won't make pirating OS X worthwhile. Why don't you check out what others are saying?
jiggie2g said:
This response shows up what I said.
Anyone who disagrees with a PC user (and supposed future switcher) is automatically called a snob or a fanatic when they present information they don't like.
We might as well say the same thing about you.
I probably know more about Windows that you do.
I was a partner in a commercial phot lab for over 27 years until my partner and I sold it early this year.
I bought dozens of computers over that time. Both Mac's and PC's.
I installed Novell on our main server used for accounting and front counter terminals. Windows machines aren't so difficult to setup or maintain. most PC users just don't know that, so they don't bother.
But, Mac's are even easier.
What I said earlier is the truth. If you had some interest, you would have thought that maybe you should find out something about it, as I said, instead of blabbing again. The PC community has been saying that this looks as though it won't make pirating OS X worthwhile. Why don't you check out what others are saying?
melgross said:
While it may be very difficult to crack , never say never . you should never enderestimate pirates. Not when there are a million young teens wanting to be the next DVD Jon who will do anything and waste endless hours, days , weeks, months to do this sort of thing just to make a name for themselves.
It's like some swiss bank goes around saying they have some new state of the art vault that cannot be openedm Then what happens .....some bankrobber gets blue prints , or info from the vault maker and spends the next 6 months trying to figure out how to break the vault. Just like hackers do with software. or how a car thief figure ways to trick the best car alarm.
remember those bank robbers in brazil.
remember when M$ started taking crap aboiut how the Xbox was unhackable and you could not run another OS on it. They were even so bold as to offer 100K to any hacker who could crack it , people all over bitched and moaned about how hard it was then few months later some kid uses an exploit in some game to hack the xbox and is now 100K richer.
Point is someone will do it no matter the level of difficulty just for the sake of saying they were the one do cracked it. once it's cracked and hacked the flood gates will open.
I think OSX is very secure but I think it has had holes here and there ( I found some info here http://secunia.com/product/96/ ) I think one of the main reasons that OSX is currently so secure is because the number of people using it is small compared to the windows world.
Heck I'm sure I can put my old OS/2 box outside of my network, wide open for the next 10 years and nobody will touch it. Doesnt mean its 100% secure, just means nobody is targeting it yet.
Just out of curiosity, if one was to take OSX and put it out in the open (no firewall and no antivirus) and make a challenge "hey see if you can hack this box or take it down" if it would be possible. I think it would go down....
The reason windows get such a bad rap is because there are so many users who dont know about viruses or spyware or even about using a router. They connect their computer straight to a DSL or cable modem and wonder why it went down. Again its hackers targeting the masses, and not really major security issues from one platform to another. I believe that because I set up a box for a friend who has no money. Nothing. I gave him a PII 400Mhz, 320mb RAM and my old XP Home (He offered to buy that but he's better saving his $$ for food). Anyway using nothing more than AVG as antivirus and XP's built in firewall in SP2, he's still up and running nearly 8 months later with no infections or problems. He has no router/firewall device. It connects stragiht to the net. The only thing I did to make his life easier was make a script that dumps his temp files in his profile and the windows folder upon startup.
Anyway I think with a little bit of knowledge and caution, nothing is wrong with XP's security.
Heck I'm sure I can put my old OS/2 box outside of my network, wide open for the next 10 years and nobody will touch it. Doesnt mean its 100% secure, just means nobody is targeting it yet.
Just out of curiosity, if one was to take OSX and put it out in the open (no firewall and no antivirus) and make a challenge "hey see if you can hack this box or take it down" if it would be possible. I think it would go down....
The reason windows get such a bad rap is because there are so many users who dont know about viruses or spyware or even about using a router. They connect their computer straight to a DSL or cable modem and wonder why it went down. Again its hackers targeting the masses, and not really major security issues from one platform to another. I believe that because I set up a box for a friend who has no money. Nothing. I gave him a PII 400Mhz, 320mb RAM and my old XP Home (He offered to buy that but he's better saving his $$ for food). Anyway using nothing more than AVG as antivirus and XP's built in firewall in SP2, he's still up and running nearly 8 months later with no infections or problems. He has no router/firewall device. It connects stragiht to the net. The only thing I did to make his life easier was make a script that dumps his temp files in his profile and the windows folder upon startup.
Anyway I think with a little bit of knowledge and caution, nothing is wrong with XP's security.
PS.... I know you guys were talking about OSX's security regarding running on other platforms but I also wanted to add the actual OS security as an issue because everyone is always ready to jump on Microsoft....
jiggie2g said:While it may be very difficult to crack , never say never . you should never enderestimate pirates. Not when there are a million young teens wanting to be the next DVD Jon who will do anything and waste endless hours, days , weeks, months to do this sort of thing just to make a name for themselves.
It's like some swiss bank goes around saying they have some new state of the art vault that cannot be openedm Then what happens .....some bankrobber gets blue prints , or info from the vault maker and spends the next 6 months trying to figure out how to break the vault. Just like hackers do with software. or how a car thief figure ways to trick the best car alarm.
remember those bank robbers in brazil.
remember when M$ started taking crap aboiut how the Xbox was unhackable and you could not run another OS on it. They were even so bold as to offer 100K to any hacker who could crack it , people all over bitched and moaned about how hard it was then few months later some kid uses an exploit in some game to hack the xbox and is now 100K richer.
Point is someone will do it no matter the level of difficulty just for the sake of saying they were the one do cracked it. once it's cracked and hacked the flood gates will open.
There is something that has to be understood about security. Guys like Jon don't crack these systems because they are so easy to crack. They crack them because there is some easily correctable bug that they exploited.
In Jon's case, the only reason he was able to crack it was because somehow the key that is in the software for the use of the company was not stripped out before the disk was pressed. It's been agreed that if that key was not there, he couldn't have cracked it. Despite expectations from the posting community, it hasn't been cracked since.
The same is true for iTunes. It was cracked, fixed, cracked and fixed again. It has not been cracked since.
The new hi def disks are considered to be uncrackable in the sense that even if someone did manage to crack one, it would only work for that offering, nothing else.
Apple's patent is based on a well known cryptographic method of code substitution, among other things. The idea behind it is that the OS will be very hard to crack, but that even if it is, it won't be possible to run programs over it. It isn't a matter of some pimply kid sitting up late nights. Combined with the chip in every machine the OS will not be complete on non Mac machines. The way this is done ensures that the code needed can't be substituted for.
The problem people have with understanding security is that they mistake security systems that are added after the fact, and security systems that are built-in. When a system is built around the security functions, and when those functions also depend upon and external piece of hardware to be present, it's almost impossible to crack them.
Lest you jump on the "almost", that means that the amount of time, money, and sophistication needed to do so would be prohibitive.
contoursvt said:
I agree stay out of Kazaa like programs and use mail filtering programs like thunderbird , don't open up spam. I do spyware scans about twice a week
AVG is free , lite , simple and by far the best overall value for anti-spyware. Norton is a greedy resource eating virus disguised as a maintenace program.
I have never gotten a virus in nearly a year since building my PC. I am on my 3rd and hopefully final revision of my PC this year. I don't plan to upgrade till mid 2007.
PC revisions:
Dec 2004:
Athlon XP-M 2400+(Barton)@2.3ghz
Corsair Value 512MB DDR3200
DFI nForce 2 Ultra Infinity w/Sound Storm
ATI Radeon 9600 128MB DDR
NEC ND-3500A
Samsing Floopy drive
Hitachi 250GB SATA HD
Thermaltake Tsunami case / TT Purepower 480w PSU /
TT Silent Boost CPU w/ Artic Silver 5 Thermal paste
April 2005:
AMD Athlon 64 3000+(Venice)@2.6ghz
Corsair Value 1GB(512x2) DDR3200
DFI Lanparty UT nForce 4 Ultra-D
Leadtek Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3
NEC ND-3500A
Hitachi 80GB SATA 2 + 250Gb SATA
Antec Sonata case w/ 380W Antec PSU(24amp 12v rail)
Zalman CPNS 7700-cu Heatsink / AS5 paste
October 2005:
AMD Athlon X2 3800+(Manchester)@Dual 2.6ghz
OCZ Platinum EL rev.2 2GB (1GBx2) DDR3200
DFI Lanparty UT nForce 4 Ultra-D
eVGA Geforce 7800GT 256MB GDDR3
NEC ND-3550A
Hitachi 80GB SATA 2 + 250Gb SATA
Antec P-180 case w/3x 120mm fans / Antec TruePower 2.0 550w PSU
Thermalright XP-90 w/92mm Antec tri-cool fan / AS5 Paste
Zalman VF700-cu VGA Cooler w/ AS5 Paste
Next parts will be NEC-4550 DVD Burner , Dell 2405 FPW Monitor.
after all this I have never had a virus. lets see how safe OS X will be once that market share starts to swell.
when everyone is saying 'liquid cooled' is this referring to heatpipes or an actual reservoir, pump, heat exchanger...etc? If its heatpipes, then I think 'liquid cooled' makes it sound more than it really is. I mean heatpipes have been around for ever in laptops and things...
ProTools Reverb Test
I don't know if any of you guys are familiar with ProTools 6.9.2 but here is a screen shot of a test i did earlier. It's 44.1 24bit with the buffer set to 1024. (that'll make sense to a PT user). I duped the same reverb over and over again over 9 tracks and pressed play. It held up fine.
Check out the screen shot here...
http://www.pietunes.net/reverb_test.gif
I don't know if any of you guys are familiar with ProTools 6.9.2 but here is a screen shot of a test i did earlier. It's 44.1 24bit with the buffer set to 1024. (that'll make sense to a PT user). I duped the same reverb over and over again over 9 tracks and pressed play. It held up fine.
Check out the screen shot here...
http://www.pietunes.net/reverb_test.gif
virus?
Originally Posted by jiggie2g:
I have never gotten a virus in nearly a year since building my PC.
what's a virus?
Originally Posted by jiggie2g:
I have never gotten a virus in nearly a year since building my PC.
what's a virus?
Redpoetsociety said:Originally Posted by jiggie2g:
I have never gotten a virus in nearly a year since building my PC.
what's a virus?
Its one of those things that seem to unfortunatly affect the more popular platform