Thank you gelfin. You added some great points and did a good job reiterating what i'm trying to say here.
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Powerbook 1.2GHz?
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PowerPage seem pretty confident these will be next year (previously they said January). It also sounds like quite a big update too, which makes me wonder if we'll see a new update this year.
PowerPage seem pretty confident these will be next year (previously they said January). It also sounds like quite a big update too, which makes me wonder if we'll see a new update this year.
Doubtful but fun to imagine. I could understand 1 GHz but wouldn't 1.2 be way too hot? I really don't know much about processor heat, but I am pretty sure that would be too hot to do any processor intensive activities for very long. Would that shorten battery life?
oy
uhhh... there is no way they could wait this out till even January. shoot, the powerbook is slower than a 17 inch iMac. it can't even begin to compete with the low-end powermacs, not even remotely. they will lose some serious business if they skip out on october... can anyone say... nVidia?
uhhh... there is no way they could wait this out till even January. shoot, the powerbook is slower than a 17 inch iMac. it can't even begin to compete with the low-end powermacs, not even remotely. they will lose some serious business if they skip out on october... can anyone say... nVidia?
Re: oy
slower than a 17" iMac? well, they're both 800Mhz G4's, and since the iMac is a desktop, it probably has a much faster hard drive, so i'm not too surprised.. i own a a 17" iMac, and its pretty damn speedy.. i've used a 800Mhz TiBook and it didn't seem any noticeably slower. But of course, the faster the better =)
and about nVidia.. umm.. have u heard of the Mobility Radeon 9000? it beats the crap out of the GeForce 4Go, or any other mobile chip out there, not to mention significant power saving features, etc... so i sure hope Apple sticks with ATI!
slower than a 17" iMac? well, they're both 800Mhz G4's, and since the iMac is a desktop, it probably has a much faster hard drive, so i'm not too surprised.. i own a a 17" iMac, and its pretty damn speedy.. i've used a 800Mhz TiBook and it didn't seem any noticeably slower. But of course, the faster the better =)
and about nVidia.. umm.. have u heard of the Mobility Radeon 9000? it beats the crap out of the GeForce 4Go, or any other mobile chip out there, not to mention significant power saving features, etc... so i sure hope Apple sticks with ATI!
yeah sorry for the misunderstanding. i was trashing the losers at nvidia for losing their commanding lead by skipping their processor cycle by delaying the NV30 release. now, as you say, ATI is leaps and bounds ahead not with the mobility 9000 but the 9700 pro (the big story is the desktop market). i was just saying that apple doesn't need to be cutting its cycles so long because it makes them less competitive. right now from a performance standpoint an IBM thinkpad is much ahead of the game, barring the crippling windows XP factor. i am saying it would be stupid to hold off till january or even later.
and yeah, ati is way ahead in the mobiles as well, as you duly noted about the mobility 9000... i hope (because you know it's going on the PB) that they get smart this time and put the 64 MB on it, and not the 32..
and yeah, ati is way ahead in the mobiles as well, as you duly noted about the mobility 9000... i hope (because you know it's going on the PB) that they get smart this time and put the 64 MB on it, and not the 32..
I agree about the Thinkpads. Take a look at the T30's, they're about the same size and weight as a Tibook, they also have similar features and then some. They come with built in blue-tooth, 802.11b, firewire, usb-2, and more. Thinkpads also have as good as if not better than Apple build quality and durability. I've seen both Thinkpads and Powerbooks survive some pretty amaising things, like being dropped from waist heighth onto a hard concrete floor. The Thinkpad's case was cracked but it ran and it was repaired under warranty, no questions asked.
I've been holding out for a Powerbook revision since the end of August, and if it doesn't come by the end of October, I think Apple can kiss my money goodbye. I'll probably end up with a 2 gHz Thinkpad T30. The current Powerbook is too old, and not up to snuff with it's competition (or other Apple products). I don't expect much from Apple except a processor upgrade, even if it's to 800/933, I'll buy one as soon as the Apple Store has them posted online, and I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way.
I've been holding out for a Powerbook revision since the end of August, and if it doesn't come by the end of October, I think Apple can kiss my money goodbye. I'll probably end up with a 2 gHz Thinkpad T30. The current Powerbook is too old, and not up to snuff with it's competition (or other Apple products). I don't expect much from Apple except a processor upgrade, even if it's to 800/933, I'll buy one as soon as the Apple Store has them posted online, and I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way.
They test it and approve it for max reliable speed. So yes, what you're saying in a since is correct. They don't back it off for reliability because they test it to achieve reliability in the first place.
Something else the article previously quoted said nothing about the CPU having been maxed out for design reasons. It simply said that the current batches were topping out at 1ghz it didn't say anything about it not being able to go higher ever.
Re: oy
There isn't a laptop on the planet that's as fast as a comparable desktop. This is for many reasons. More energy efficient chips, hard drive speeds, and things like bus speed. They cut on all of these to power and heat.
There isn't a laptop on the planet that's as fast as a comparable desktop. This is for many reasons. More energy efficient chips, hard drive speeds, and things like bus speed. They cut on all of these to power and heat.
Yeah, that's how I've always thought of it, that's how come someone always manages to overclock a top of range mac somehow and almost everytime the next range is that speed.
The way I see it is Motorola have had 1Ghz G4s for nearly a year now, it goes without saying that the PowerPC 7455 has improved since then and there's plenty running reliably at 1.25Ghz. I imagine apple save a bundle with so many models being in the 667 - 867Mhz range. That only leaves the top 2 cpus that need to perform reliably at 1Ghz+ so I imagine all those chips that don't run reliably at the higher speeds are being snapped up for the iMac, Powerbook, eMac and low end tower models.
I hope they add a G4 iBook to their portable range sometime. Even if it's got a 13" screen because a portable G4, Firewire HD, Mbox and USB midi controller keyboard for under 2 grand would be a real cool system for audio.
whilst it sounds like great news, the problem with this type of report is that it gets everyones hopes and expectataions up. Inevitably someone will get hurt: they always do. i am anticipating grumpy people on forums after the revision is released cause they did not see these mHz jumps...
I realize that they will never be as fast as the best dektops; this seems outright obvious. however, they can be as fast as "comparable" desktops--comparable being desktops slow enough to compare to it. you may notice, though, that the powerbook when it came out in april amounted to a milestone in laptop creation because it was as close as they ever got... i seem to remember 800, 933, 1GHz, and dual GHz processors on the powermacs at the time, though i could be wrong. regardless, it was much nicer than the imacs at the time of release, and now that the slowest powermac is dual 867, i feel the powermac should at least be near that level--not duals, but at least the 1 GHz mark. they don't need to wait this long to revise it. it's the oldet system, and no one else's laptops have this kind of turnaround on upgrading. I really think you miss the point. i don't want PBs to compete with the good desktops, but i would like them to compete with the low end powermacs... good god, they could at least beat the iMac! don't say it's not possible, it was possible 2 months ago, and it was a matter of fact then.
and dare i forget "bus speed?" they had the same bus speed as the powermacs until about a month ago. it's quite conceivable that they may go up this time too. also, i have a real problem with them shipping OS 10.1 with them; that needs to change fast.
To include VirtualPC is to conceide that you can't live your life without Windows, which is NOT the impression that you want to give people. The 1st thought that would come to mind from the person that doesn't know the advantages to Mac is, "If I need this VirtualPC thing-why not stick with my Real PC?" Which although i bit shortsighted is a very valid point. Apple must take the next step and make themselves as independent from MS as possible, which is why I think they'll be an Apple branded web browser to replace IE sometime very soon. Apple wants to embrace industry standards while MS wants to take those standards, alter them a bit then call them a new Microsoft "Innovation" and push down the troughs of all the millions of Microsoft junkies out there who just don't know or don't want to knowany better. MS is trying to shut as many doors as possible on anything that's not made by MS. They want to keep their stranglehold on the PC market anyway they can.
What I do agree on is that it is a bit rediculous that a consumer machine the iMac would have the same processor that the pro laptop machine has.
There is a lot of talk floating around about bluetooth's ability to integrate applainces and the like with your computers systems.
Apple will beat the applaince manucaturers to the punch!!!
The VERY first blue tooth equiped hot plate!!!
(next comes the tower oven... just remove the heat sink and insert a small roast!!)
Apple will beat the applaince manucaturers to the punch!!!
The VERY first blue tooth equiped hot plate!!!
(next comes the tower oven... just remove the heat sink and insert a small roast!!)
Tower oven is already here it's sitting next to my desk with a mirror on it so I can shave and 4 speed holes at the bottom.
RE: VPC
I choose the top end 800 over the 667 just for VPC. It was cheaper than buying a 2nd PC laptop.
I'm very happy with the performance of VPC on the Ti 800 (OS X, OS 9, with 768 MB). I run '95, '98, 2000 Pro, 2000 Server and red hat 7.3 (w/o GUI it runs fine).
I don't know what I'd do with a PC laptop that'd only run 1 or 2 operating systems : (
I doubt Apple wants to bundle M$ operating systems with it's PowerBooks though...
LOL
I choose the top end 800 over the 667 just for VPC. It was cheaper than buying a 2nd PC laptop.
I'm very happy with the performance of VPC on the Ti 800 (OS X, OS 9, with 768 MB). I run '95, '98, 2000 Pro, 2000 Server and red hat 7.3 (w/o GUI it runs fine).
I don't know what I'd do with a PC laptop that'd only run 1 or 2 operating systems : (
I doubt Apple wants to bundle M$ operating systems with it's PowerBooks though...
LOL
If this report is near the truth it points to a new FAB. the only way Apple avoid the iEggfryer at these speeds is if they have a chip fabing at 0.09
It is possible that they have sample chips and are testing them in the TI's. If this is the case it is good news indeed as we will see further hikes in the PM's speed too.
It is possible that they have sample chips and are testing them in the TI's. If this is the case it is good news indeed as we will see further hikes in the PM's speed too.
Okay but I thought that's what they did with the pci G4's. That's why you can overclock it easily and is very stably cus it was made to run at 450 instead of 400 mhz.