I agree-with little room in the 12" (no Back Lighted keyboard), a 13.3" is a must.Chrispy said:
X800 to replace the 9700 (many 9700/9800 based NB's have X800's now).
X600 replaces the 5200
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Powerbook and PowerMac Updates - October 19th?
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X800 to replace the 9700 (many 9700/9800 based NB's have X800's now).
X600 replaces the 5200
I fricking-
LOVE invader zim... sorry, it needed to be said...
I also am waiting for updates as i am currently trying to decide between the PB and PM for my new system...
here's to hoping.
LOVE invader zim... sorry, it needed to be said...
I also am waiting for updates as i am currently trying to decide between the PB and PM for my new system...
here's to hoping.
Stridder44 said:
Wow, you don't get out around the net much. This sort of **** happens ALL THE TIME. There was only about a gazillion (yeah, it's a technical term) widescreen ipod pics posted over the last few months. There was the fake iBook widescreen pics, the recent fake 8 cpu (using HT) activity monitor shots, and, and, and...
?
does anyone know yet....
will powerbooks with intel be able to run BOTH Mac OS X AND Windows XP?
Colorado School of Mines requires Win. XP - but I have an iBook now, and I'd like to purchase a powerbook for college....
does anyone know yet....
will powerbooks with intel be able to run BOTH Mac OS X AND Windows XP?
Colorado School of Mines requires Win. XP - but I have an iBook now, and I'd like to purchase a powerbook for college....
This just in from ThinkSecret
Quote"...New information points to the abandonment of the 12-inch model, leaving the PowerBook line starting at around $2,000."
Link to full article
Quote"...New information points to the abandonment of the 12-inch model, leaving the PowerBook line starting at around $2,000."
Link to full article
DDR2 is a big deal actually.
For those a little unsure (obviously) about the awesome increase from DDR2 I am going to quote a ref. source about the RAM.
Keeping in mind that the system bus speed would be increased in machines housing the DDR2 to take advantage of the speed increases.
"Larger Bandwidth, Better Performance
DDR2 the Overclockers Dream Come True
DDR2 introduces features and functions that go well beyond the DDR SDRAM specification. These innovations enable DDR2 to operate at data rates of 400MNHz, 533MHz, 667MHz and more. DDR2s enhancements stem from changes in DRAM architecture and signaling, as well as additions to the mode register for lower power and improved command/data bandwidth. Changes to the DRAM architecture include shortened page size for reduced activation power, bust lengths of four and eight for improved data bandwidth capability and the addition of eight banks in 1GBb densities and more. Without increasing your systems clock speed, DDR SDRAM doubles the maximum data throughput of SDRAM by sending two packets of data per clock cycle, doubling its effective clock speed.
As a result, when we refer to 400-MHz DDR SDRAM we are talking about memory that actually runs at 200MHz. SDRAM, DDR and DDR2 modules known as Dual Inline Memory Modules (DIMMs) use 64-bit data packets. Because there are 8 bits per byte, a 400-MHz DDR module provides a total bandwidth of 3.2GH/sec. Within a dual-channel 128-bit configuration, that translates to 6.4GB/sec of total available bandwidth. Additionally, DDR2 adds a second port to transfer data packets to the CPU.
Consequently, DDR2 can send two data packets per clock cycle on each of two ports for a total of four data packets per clock cycle. And this is a huge improvement over previous standards. For example, the fastest current implementation of DDR2 is a 667-MHz module, which runs at an actual clock speed of 166MHz, but offers a data transfer rate of 5.3 GB/sec in a single-channel configuration. More commonly, youll find a dual-channel design that features 667-MHz DDR2 modules pumping out 10.7GB sec of bandwidth.
No Additional Strain on Your Power Supply
Despite the astonishing bandwidth youll gain with a 667-MHz module DDR2 will not put harmful strain on your power supply. Thats because it actually consumes less power than existing DDR memory. Both DDR and DDR2 are listed by their maximum data transfer rates. Pumping out 3.2 GH/sec in a single-channel configuration, a 400-MHz DDR (known as DDR400) module is technically known as a PC3200 DIMM. Although DDR2 modules offered high latencies when they were introduced, as the technology matures this is not projected by industry experts to be a problem. When DDR2 ultimately reaches 800MHz, high-performance modules are anticipated to offer latencies of 2 clock cycles, which is exactly the same as high-performance DDR. The great news for potential overclockers is that with the same latency and twice the clock speed, 800-MHz DDR2 is expected to offer exactly twice the peak performance of 400-MHz DDR."
If the new PB and PM go to DDR2 this will be awesome speed increase in the ram seeking time alone.
Combine this with the CHEAPER PCI-e cards available, even if ONLY the system bus speed was increased, and then DDR2 and PCI-e was implemented we could see system speed increases of 10-15%.
That is a great increase for a speed bump.
compulsive
BTW I would buy a new PB if the processor speed was the same with a redesigned board with improved system bus and the above features.
Apple could put a WAY better Graphics Card in for the same $ they are currently spending to put in a MAC only GFX card.
PCI-e opens up a lot of better cheaper options and for OSX and Quartz that translates increasingly to a lot more speed for the offloading of GUI features to the GPU.
For those a little unsure (obviously) about the awesome increase from DDR2 I am going to quote a ref. source about the RAM.
Keeping in mind that the system bus speed would be increased in machines housing the DDR2 to take advantage of the speed increases.
"Larger Bandwidth, Better Performance
DDR2 the Overclockers Dream Come True
DDR2 introduces features and functions that go well beyond the DDR SDRAM specification. These innovations enable DDR2 to operate at data rates of 400MNHz, 533MHz, 667MHz and more. DDR2s enhancements stem from changes in DRAM architecture and signaling, as well as additions to the mode register for lower power and improved command/data bandwidth. Changes to the DRAM architecture include shortened page size for reduced activation power, bust lengths of four and eight for improved data bandwidth capability and the addition of eight banks in 1GBb densities and more. Without increasing your systems clock speed, DDR SDRAM doubles the maximum data throughput of SDRAM by sending two packets of data per clock cycle, doubling its effective clock speed.
As a result, when we refer to 400-MHz DDR SDRAM we are talking about memory that actually runs at 200MHz. SDRAM, DDR and DDR2 modules known as Dual Inline Memory Modules (DIMMs) use 64-bit data packets. Because there are 8 bits per byte, a 400-MHz DDR module provides a total bandwidth of 3.2GH/sec. Within a dual-channel 128-bit configuration, that translates to 6.4GB/sec of total available bandwidth. Additionally, DDR2 adds a second port to transfer data packets to the CPU.
Consequently, DDR2 can send two data packets per clock cycle on each of two ports for a total of four data packets per clock cycle. And this is a huge improvement over previous standards. For example, the fastest current implementation of DDR2 is a 667-MHz module, which runs at an actual clock speed of 166MHz, but offers a data transfer rate of 5.3 GB/sec in a single-channel configuration. More commonly, youll find a dual-channel design that features 667-MHz DDR2 modules pumping out 10.7GB sec of bandwidth.
No Additional Strain on Your Power Supply
Despite the astonishing bandwidth youll gain with a 667-MHz module DDR2 will not put harmful strain on your power supply. Thats because it actually consumes less power than existing DDR memory. Both DDR and DDR2 are listed by their maximum data transfer rates. Pumping out 3.2 GH/sec in a single-channel configuration, a 400-MHz DDR (known as DDR400) module is technically known as a PC3200 DIMM. Although DDR2 modules offered high latencies when they were introduced, as the technology matures this is not projected by industry experts to be a problem. When DDR2 ultimately reaches 800MHz, high-performance modules are anticipated to offer latencies of 2 clock cycles, which is exactly the same as high-performance DDR. The great news for potential overclockers is that with the same latency and twice the clock speed, 800-MHz DDR2 is expected to offer exactly twice the peak performance of 400-MHz DDR."
If the new PB and PM go to DDR2 this will be awesome speed increase in the ram seeking time alone.
Combine this with the CHEAPER PCI-e cards available, even if ONLY the system bus speed was increased, and then DDR2 and PCI-e was implemented we could see system speed increases of 10-15%.
That is a great increase for a speed bump.
compulsive
BTW I would buy a new PB if the processor speed was the same with a redesigned board with improved system bus and the above features.
Apple could put a WAY better Graphics Card in for the same $ they are currently spending to put in a MAC only GFX card.
PCI-e opens up a lot of better cheaper options and for OSX and Quartz that translates increasingly to a lot more speed for the offloading of GUI features to the GPU.
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
No, they won't. And it's highly unlikely this revision of powerbook will be intel. To run windows, you have no choice but to buy a windows machine (other than VPC... which is way slow.)
Superhob said:Quote"...New information points to the abandonment of the 12-inch model, leaving the PowerBook line starting at around $2,000."
Link to full article
Thanks be to god for the EDU discount
Superhob said:
Me too. The 12-inch is my ideal computer. It is small and light, but I'm at my desk 95 percent of the time, where I use my 20-inch cinema display. It would be stupid, for me to own a 15-incher, when I connect to a big external display, when needed.
The 15-inch is simply too long, for some of us to want to carry around. I don't even take mine out of my house, but I still don't want a 15-inch.
Do you guys think, when the Intel Powerbooks arrive, they'll bring back a small Pro machine? Like a 13-inch widescreen? Don't they almost have to? I mean, these machines are popular. Maybe they aren't great for a traveling graphic or video professional, but what about just a business professional? I don't want a white iBook with weak video out options.
I don't think I'm the only person who consider the 12-inch Powerbook his or her "perfect" machine. In my opinion, it will be a tragedy, if there is no 12-inch or 13-inch widescreen Powerbook, in the future. If they can't update the 12-inch right now, ok, but *please* return a small form factor professional machine, when the Intel line comes. Please.
Thinksecret says Apple may drop the 12" next week, also specs on the update are "fuzzy". If, and that's a big 'if', apple were to put a low-power G5 in the PB, they would need to drop the 12".......no way they could cool that. Just a thought
-Jobs mentions that Apple hasn't been able to deliver a G5 Powerbook....YET (WWDC 2005)
-Great PowerPC products in the pipeline (WWDC 2005) (is a .03ghz speed bump great?)
-Exciting products before the end of the year (this weeks financial conference call)
-Many rumor sites are predicting no speed increase. What if there is no speed increase, but the processor changes to the 1.6ghz low power G5 ibm just released?
What do we know about this Intrepid 2 chipset? How much more development would be needed beyond the new chipset to use a 970?
-Jobs mentions that Apple hasn't been able to deliver a G5 Powerbook....YET (WWDC 2005)
-Great PowerPC products in the pipeline (WWDC 2005) (is a .03ghz speed bump great?)
-Exciting products before the end of the year (this weeks financial conference call)
-Many rumor sites are predicting no speed increase. What if there is no speed increase, but the processor changes to the 1.6ghz low power G5 ibm just released?
What do we know about this Intrepid 2 chipset? How much more development would be needed beyond the new chipset to use a 970?
No they will not. Steve Jobs has no desire to run Bill Gates' software on his hardware. The only reason he is accepting Microsoft Office for the Mac is because his team has not completed a full-blown and effective alternative to it yet. But be sure they're working on it. Apple hardware (even with Intel processors) will be designed to run OSX and future versions of Mac software. Period. IMHO (disclaimer clause)AvSRoCkCO1067 said:
Mr Maui said:
Actually, Apple has said you will be able to install Windows, on your Intel Mac. This was a question asked, after the Intel announcement. I believe it was Schiller who said they will not stop people, from installing windows, on the Mac they buy. You can setup a dual-boot system, and choose OS X, or Windows XP at startup. You'll have to do this on your own. Apple will not sell them with Windows. Finally, Intel Macs will not be available, for several months, so you cannot do this now.
plinkoman said:
If the powerbooks get updated on Wednesday they will, 100% for sure, not be able to run windows. The updated powerbooks will still be using the G4 processor and the developer machines you are talking about use the Intel processors.
powerbook911 said:
i think a good 12" or 13" with some power would be a great system, the only problem is they are having a hard enough time making powerbooks with an extra 3 and 5 inches powerful by todays standards.
what originally turn me off to the 12" was the optical drive on the side, no backlight keyboard, no fw800, no cardbus, no gigabit ethernet etc... basically all the little things that they just didn't have room for on the 12", but maybe a 13"ws would have room, at least for some of that stuff.
who knows, maybe they're just dropping it untill the intels come because they aren't selling enough and they can't do anymore on that hardware.
or maybe..... they are coming out with a 13"ws next week, and have actually been able to keep it a secret
g0gie said:
thats not such a bad idea, i think maybe the should have merged the laptop lines into one until the MacTel introductions. at least that would have stopped the "iBook or Powerbook" threads.
Chrispy said:
did i say anything about this coming update being able to run windows???
no, i was talking about the future intel books
c'mon, did i really need to point that out, AvSRoCkCO1067 asked if the intel books would run windows, you said no, i made my post.... bla bla bla
All i have to say is that if Apple doesn't use the newer g4 proc,they will be stuck with the pb in 8 months, just as they are right now. it's been already said that intel is having many problems with the Yohan proc. w/ overheating, too much watt. draw from the batter, at least more than expected, and just some other things. so obviously, i can gurantee you that the yohan pb will either be late, or not come at all.
Edit: So why not put the 7448 or whatever to hold over until the announcement at WWDC 06 of the Merom or whatever IntelPB which will be shipping in august just in time for school..so order now!
Edit: So why not put the 7448 or whatever to hold over until the announcement at WWDC 06 of the Merom or whatever IntelPB which will be shipping in august just in time for school..so order now!
pdpfilms said:
And they are going to raise the price, too, because the G4 is considered an antique now.
Seriously, will there ever be a monstrous price cut for something that is so drastically overpriced?
I think they should call everyone back...again (sigh) for another "media event"
But what slogan is left for the invitation? Let's see, they already used "Here we go again" for the Nano/Moto CP deal media event. Then they used up "one more thing" for the second media event. And during the second one, they used Act I, II, and III and they also burned "encore."
So what's left for the card now?
But what slogan is left for the invitation? Let's see, they already used "Here we go again" for the Nano/Moto CP deal media event. Then they used up "one more thing" for the second media event. And during the second one, they used Act I, II, and III and they also burned "encore."
So what's left for the card now?
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