I just want to see Apple do it right, which I'm sure they will when the time comes and G5 PowerBooks are ready. So if that means it will take another year before they're available, so be it. They'll definitely be worth the wait if they're done right.
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PowerBook G5 - 'Going to be a while'
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disinformation?
I'm not convinced... I still think it's just Apple trying to defend their current product line.
My guess is PB g5s next spring or summer. A year between the g5 desktop and laptop seems like plenty of development time.
(BTW that's not a RUMOR... just a GUESS!!!)
I'm not convinced... I still think it's just Apple trying to defend their current product line.
My guess is PB g5s next spring or summer. A year between the g5 desktop and laptop seems like plenty of development time.
(BTW that's not a RUMOR... just a GUESS!!!)
i have to say that i think it will be awhile before G5 PB's. now that they've just released the new 15" they're all setup to keep bring out the revisions.
but with all the rumors of Moto not being able to produce G4's for the 15" PB who knows what will happen? it could go either way.
perhaps now they have sorted out their supply problems. saying that the G4 has some more life in it is quite a turn around from Steve Jobs calling the G4 a toy.
also everyone isn't all that happy about the 15" going to 1.1" thin. sure it's only .1", but it's a big difference when you compare it to the TiBooks, and it sure feels alot different. i doubt that Apple was happy about increasing the size. the TiBooks had become known as the 1" TiBooks. hopefully when the G5 does come to the PB it'll have some crazy powersaving features and it will run super-cool. well, maybe not super cool.
it would be very nice to see Apple bring out the G5 PB and say "introducing the new 1" thin G5 PowerBook".
but with all the rumors of Moto not being able to produce G4's for the 15" PB who knows what will happen? it could go either way.
perhaps now they have sorted out their supply problems. saying that the G4 has some more life in it is quite a turn around from Steve Jobs calling the G4 a toy.
also everyone isn't all that happy about the 15" going to 1.1" thin. sure it's only .1", but it's a big difference when you compare it to the TiBooks, and it sure feels alot different. i doubt that Apple was happy about increasing the size. the TiBooks had become known as the 1" TiBooks. hopefully when the G5 does come to the PB it'll have some crazy powersaving features and it will run super-cool. well, maybe not super cool.
it would be very nice to see Apple bring out the G5 PB and say "introducing the new 1" thin G5 PowerBook".
NO SALE FOR YOU!
Fine by me. I'll get a Pentium M laptop in the mean time. I have 3 grand sitting and languishing in my saving account ready for a G5. I may have to alter my signature because of this. I'm not going to go with a CPU that gets its butt handed to it by the Pentium M:
http://www.barefeats.com/al15b.html
From the specs I see 1.6Ghz Pentium M is aprox twice as fast as a 1.33 G4. I don't mind paying a premium for the Porsche of the computer world but I expect that when I hit the gas it's going to smoke the competition. I'm not seeing this in those benchmarks.
So in the tradition of Seinfelds soup nazi I say to Apple NO SALE FOR YOU! Pity. That 17" Powerbooks looks sexy but Im not spending 3 grand on half the performance. I may be a tad crazy not stupid.
Fine by me. I'll get a Pentium M laptop in the mean time. I have 3 grand sitting and languishing in my saving account ready for a G5. I may have to alter my signature because of this. I'm not going to go with a CPU that gets its butt handed to it by the Pentium M:
http://www.barefeats.com/al15b.html
From the specs I see 1.6Ghz Pentium M is aprox twice as fast as a 1.33 G4. I don't mind paying a premium for the Porsche of the computer world but I expect that when I hit the gas it's going to smoke the competition. I'm not seeing this in those benchmarks.
So in the tradition of Seinfelds soup nazi I say to Apple NO SALE FOR YOU!
Pity. That 17" Powerbooks looks sexy but Im not spending 3 grand on half the performance. I may be a tad crazy not stupid. Re: disinformation?
I agree or I hope its true I'm sure apple aready has a few prototypes of a powerbook g5 now i hope its a case new design although the overall case of my 12" is good it seems to have afew achilies heals 1 the footpads 2 the lack of eveness/ flushness in the alluminum and the heat. I hope they announce the new powerbooks in time for school next year like sometime in june I don't think I have a chance of being able to talk my parents into buying me a new one untli atleast next school year if then.
Hope against hope
Well I was also one of the crazies that thought maybe it was just possible Apple could muster the engineering to put a G5 into a PB. This after even their own deliveries of the dual were not yet on the horizon (at least to the bulk of those who had ordered).
Now, it's been repeatedly said by various elements at Apple that they can't deliver this all too soon and the choir just can't bear to hear that news.
Well it may be propaganda, time will tell, but I've already capitulated with a 15" 1.25 pb.
It's such a great machine and with Panther, it's just so much greater.
Desktops be damned but these machines can do so much for so many, it doesn't make much sense living (and waiting) in the clouds.
The day will come and when it comes, we'll most likely all applaud. But we waited so long for the 15 alum, I can't imagine Apple will be able to change the stream the way its ebbing now.
If I'm wrong more power to those saving their nickels for that day.
Well I was also one of the crazies that thought maybe it was just possible Apple could muster the engineering to put a G5 into a PB. This after even their own deliveries of the dual were not yet on the horizon (at least to the bulk of those who had ordered).
Now, it's been repeatedly said by various elements at Apple that they can't deliver this all too soon and the choir just can't bear to hear that news.
Well it may be propaganda, time will tell, but I've already capitulated with a 15" 1.25 pb.
It's such a great machine and with Panther, it's just so much greater.
Desktops be damned but these machines can do so much for so many, it doesn't make much sense living (and waiting) in the clouds.
The day will come and when it comes, we'll most likely all applaud. But we waited so long for the 15 alum, I can't imagine Apple will be able to change the stream the way its ebbing now.
If I'm wrong more power to those saving their nickels for that day.
Re: NO SALE FOR YOU!
But I don't know where you get that the 1.6 ghz centrino is TWICE as fast. According to normalized ps7bench scores, the 1.0 ghz G4 PB comes at about 20% slower than a 1.6 ghz centrino. The 1.33 ghz G4 should be pretty much even.
Of course, this is only photoshop, where the G4 has traditionally done well. But PowerBook G4 owners I know spend way more time doing photoshop than running stuff like UT2003 or Cinema 4D (does anyone really use it for serious work?).
Sure, why not. The IBM T40 is a sweet machine; I'd get one if the OS didn't matter.
But I don't know where you get that the 1.6 ghz centrino is TWICE as fast. According to normalized ps7bench scores, the 1.0 ghz G4 PB comes at about 20% slower than a 1.6 ghz centrino. The 1.33 ghz G4 should be pretty much even.
Of course, this is only photoshop, where the G4 has traditionally done well. But PowerBook G4 owners I know spend way more time doing photoshop than running stuff like UT2003 or Cinema 4D (does anyone really use it for serious work?).
Re: NO SALE FOR YOU!
Actually, the Soup Nazi said "No soup for you!"
Based on your mistake I can assume that you are the kind of person who thinks that close enough is good enough. I think you should go ahead and purchase a Windows laptop. It will not be a PowerBook running OS X but for you close enough will be good enough.
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
So in the tradition of Seinfelds soup nazi I say to Apple NO SALE FOR YOU!
Actually, the Soup Nazi said "No soup for you!"
Based on your mistake I can assume that you are the kind of person who thinks that close enough is good enough. I think you should go ahead and purchase a Windows laptop. It will not be a PowerBook running OS X but for you close enough will be good enough.
ok, someone want to show me the proof that the G5 is so overwhelmingly hot? everyone thinks it is because of 9 fans and a huge heatsink, but first of all, there are 4 separate cooling zones, the 9 fans are not all cooling the cpu, its only 2 fans per cpu, and those are very slow moving fans to keep it quiet, and the massive heatsink is there so a fan doesn't have to be put ontop of the heatsink. so instead of 1 fast and loud fan ontop of the cpu, there is one on each side that are slower and quieter with a larger heatsink. unless anyone shows me actual proof otherwise, i guarentee the G5 is right around the same heat as a G4, and the 90nm process will make it even cooler.
i stand by my prediction of june or july next year, or even sooner, they are just trying to keep sales up on current powerbooks by saying this stuff.
i stand by my prediction of june or july next year, or even sooner, they are just trying to keep sales up on current powerbooks by saying this stuff.
Re: Re: NO SALE FOR YOU!
How would saying soup make sense in this situation? Hence the reason I said "in the tradition" instead of "as the soup nazi would say". Let me guess you are one of those people that repair spelling errors in everyone's post right?
If you were trying for a zinger. Try again.
How would saying soup make sense in this situation? Hence the reason I said "in the tradition" instead of "as the soup nazi would say".
Let me guess you are one of those people that repair spelling errors in everyone's post right?If you were trying for a zinger. Try again.
Water Cooling...uh no.
Just think of the battery life of a laptop that has to constantly run pumps to pump the water and fans to blow the heat away. I'd say 20-30mins
Just think of the battery life of a laptop that has to constantly run pumps to pump the water and fans to blow the heat away. I'd say 20-30mins
Re: Re: Re: NO SALE FOR YOU!
What is wrong with saying 'soup' in the context of a laptop sale? When people use a phrase like 'apples and oranges' to describe comparisons between computers they do not change it to 'Apples and PCs' or 'Apples and Windows'.
No soup for you!
What is wrong with saying 'soup' in the context of a laptop sale? When people use a phrase like 'apples and oranges' to describe comparisons between computers they do not change it to 'Apples and PCs' or 'Apples and Windows'.
No soup for you!
Even if IBM and Apple solved the technical issues and could produce a G5 PB by Christmas, as a hypothetical example, Id have thought the timing of release would be wholly dependent on marketing policy and that amazing laptop would gather dust till the right time for optimum sales. The current G4 generation is one of Apple´s best selling lines, the G$ Powermac wasnt. One has a lot of life in it, the other needed the upgrade big time, and got it.
Maybe Apple are actually getting their just rewards for developing such a sophisticated G4 laptop ahead of the pack.
Maybe Apple are actually getting their just rewards for developing such a sophisticated G4 laptop ahead of the pack.
Apple laptops ahead of the pack
Apple are getting their just rewards and it shows in their laptop sales. Certain people (who mis-quote the Soup Nazi) may point to benchmarks where Windows laptops supposedly beat PowerBooks but these facts have little relevance in practice. Apple has created a laptop thinner than any other with all the built-in features you could need. By comparison, the bleeding edge PC laptops run hot, have very short battery times and are too bulky to be considered trully portable.
Apple are getting their just rewards and it shows in their laptop sales. Certain people (who mis-quote the Soup Nazi) may point to benchmarks where Windows laptops supposedly beat PowerBooks but these facts have little relevance in practice. Apple has created a laptop thinner than any other with all the built-in features you could need. By comparison, the bleeding edge PC laptops run hot, have very short battery times and are too bulky to be considered trully portable.
It may not be hard to get a G5 into a PowerBook. However, it probably is hard to get a G5 that's appreciably faster than a G4 into a PowerBook.
Steve said "by the end of 2004". Early summer 2004 would be a 9 month product cycle, which sounds only reasonable. And, when Steve says "by the end of" a given year, he's overshooting. Panther and iTMS Windows were both "by the end of 2003" for instance.
Steve said "by the end of 2004". Early summer 2004 would be a 9 month product cycle, which sounds only reasonable. And, when Steve says "by the end of" a given year, he's overshooting. Panther and iTMS Windows were both "by the end of 2003" for instance.
Just an addendum:
As far as liquid cooling, antifreeze is both a better coolant and more safe to use in sub-32 degree temperatures. Here at WSU I am VERY aware of this
As far as liquid cooling, antifreeze is both a better coolant and more safe to use in sub-32 degree temperatures. Here at WSU I am VERY aware of this
IF the G4 is staying with us a little longer than they had better implement DDR support at least, how long has DDR been out now?
end 2004 makes sense
End 2004 fit to the IBM roadmap to put the G5 to a smaller process, if I remember correctly.
I could imagine that Apple got some discount out of the G4 as it was outsourced to this other company by Motorola. It would be sick not to profit from that cash as long as possible.
At least now we all know what our best x-mas present will be in 2004.
(Just a comment from a guy who was about to shop a 17'' PB and discoverd MacRumors the day before, "announcing" G5 PB's. That was early 2003. Waiting for G5 PB since. Apple should sue you for breaking business. However, I'm confessed the G4 does not make sense these days any more. ;-)
End 2004 fit to the IBM roadmap to put the G5 to a smaller process, if I remember correctly.
I could imagine that Apple got some discount out of the G4 as it was outsourced to this other company by Motorola. It would be sick not to profit from that cash as long as possible.
At least now we all know what our best x-mas present will be in 2004.
(Just a comment from a guy who was about to shop a 17'' PB and discoverd MacRumors the day before, "announcing" G5 PB's. That was early 2003. Waiting for G5 PB since. Apple should sue you for breaking business. However, I'm confessed the G4 does not make sense these days any more. ;-)
Now this thread is getting interesting
How do you propose do we do fast user switching? Safely? I.e. without catching each others diseases - this makes sharing your 'book as dangerous as sharing a needle!
Wow. You can spend a week in one day. Waiting for a G5 powerbook must be no problem at all
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Just an addendum:
As far as liquid cooling, antifreeze is both a better coolant and more safe to use in sub-32 degree temperatures. Here at WSU I am VERY aware of this
You are aware antifreeze is just water with additives? BTW and as far as I'm aware, water has the highest specific energy of all liquids (that's joules per liter per degree Kelvin or calories per fl.ounce per degree Fahrenheit or something unsystematic like that to Americans). That would make water the ideal liquid for transporting heat.
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