Wow, I know exactly where you're coming from, right up to the point where someone trashed your TiBook. My one is still chugging away thankfully and like you I've been delaying upgrading it until there's a compelling product to replace it with. I dropped in the Hitachi Travelstar 7k60 7200rpm drive which was brilliant, and there have been noticeable speed increases with each new release of OSX. But it is getting long in the tooth and I can't see myself shelling out for the first rev of the Intel PowerBooks. Guess that makes the rumoured 7448 look pretty interesting right now.bryanc said:I've been using a 667 MHz TiBook for four years now, and it's been a great machine. But I've been ready for an upgrade since last year. When the PowerBooks were last upgraded (back in January), I didn't have the cash to buy one. By the time I did, they were starting to look kind of dated, and the rumour sites were all 'G5 powerbooks next Tuesday' so I decided to wait a little longer.
Various Apple events that were rumoured to herald new powerbooks came and went with no upgrades. Finally, when it became clear that there would never be a G5 powerbook, I decided to put some money into upgrades to make my aging TiBook more serviceable (a new battery and a bigger HD), to see if I could hold out until the Macintels debuted next spring.
But then, some cretin at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in San Francisco dropped my briefcase (with my powerbook in it) hard enough to break the titanium case and really fsck up all the fiddly bits inside. (The Hyatt, BTW, takes no responsibility for damaging your stuff if you leave it with them in their baggage-check room). I've managed to repair it so that it sort-of works (I get lots of crashes, the (new) battery won't charge, and my two 512 MB memory sticks read as a pair of 256s), so now I'm desperate for a new powerbook. I've been literally loosing sleep over the impending powerbook updates predicted for today, and I'm very disappointed that there is still no sign of an update.
I simply cannot believe that Apple is going to let the Powerbook stagnate until they can release an Intel-powered model next year. What about the 7448 and all the other components that could be upgraded without necessitating a re-design?!? There are so many people on these forums that have been howling for any powerbook update that Apple has to know that there's a ton of pent-up demand.
The only logic I can think of is that they're concerned that an updated G4 powerbook will be preferable to any Intel-based powerbook they can release, and they don't want the first Macintels to flop. Now that I think of it, that's actually a pretty compelling argument. However, if Apple doesn't release an updated powerbook this month, I'm going to buy a ThinkPad, and put Linux on it.
Cheers
bryanc said:I've been using a 667 MHz TiBook for four years now, and it's been a great machine. But I've been ready for an upgrade since last year. When the PowerBooks were last upgraded (back in January), I didn't have the cash to buy one. By the time I did, they were starting to look kind of dated, and the rumour sites were all 'G5 powerbooks next Tuesday' so I decided to wait a little longer.
Various Apple events that were rumoured to herald new powerbooks came and went with no upgrades. Finally, when it became clear that there would never be a G5 powerbook, I decided to put some money into upgrades to make my aging TiBook more serviceable (a new battery and a bigger HD), to see if I could hold out until the Macintels debuted next spring.
But then, some cretin at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in San Francisco dropped my briefcase (with my powerbook in it) hard enough to break the titanium case and really fsck up all the fiddly bits inside. (The Hyatt, BTW, takes no responsibility for damaging your stuff if you leave it with them in their baggage-check room). I've managed to repair it so that it sort-of works (I get lots of crashes, the (new) battery won't charge, and my two 512 MB memory sticks read as a pair of 256s), so now I'm desperate for a new powerbook. I've been literally loosing sleep over the impending powerbook updates predicted for today, and I'm very disappointed that there is still no sign of an update.
I simply cannot believe that Apple is going to let the Powerbook stagnate until they can release an Intel-powered model next year. What about the 7448 and all the other components that could be upgraded without necessitating a re-design?!? There are so many people on these forums that have been howling for any powerbook update that Apple has to know that there's a ton of pent-up demand.
The only logic I can think of is that they're concerned that an updated G4 powerbook will be preferable to any Intel-based powerbook they can release, and they don't want the first Macintels to flop. Now that I think of it, that's actually a pretty compelling argument. However, if Apple doesn't release an updated powerbook this month, I'm going to buy a ThinkPad, and put Linux on it.
Cheers
rjc said:Well, the lack of any rumors about the iMac update should tell you the reliability of the rumors sites lately. Out of speculation I'd say that if the iMac has DDR2 RAM that the PowerMac will get it, maybe even next week (assuming updates are ready, but weren't included in the event because they don't have anything to do with the video theme). Maybe the Powerbooks will be updated then, too. But it's all just a guess.
How disappointing.
geoffism said:...I'm not a computer engineer, but that would tell me that they have reached the limitations (or very close to them) with the current specs. You can only upgrade the engine so much without changing the car.
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The dev time with the new chips will take a little while, and until they figure out how to hook a liquid-filled inter-cooler up to a PB, the G5's are not coming. Seriously, you need an industrial AC unit to work on the G5 towers...
bryanc said:I completely understand that there isn't going to be a G5 PB, and that there likely isn't going to be a major redesign of the PB until the Macintels are released next year. I also have no doubt that Apple could almost effortlessly improve the PBs by swapping antiquated components (CPU, GPU, monitor, etc.) for better ones that have been available for months, if not years! The Freescale 7448 is a pin-for-pin compatible drop in replacement for the 7447/A that is in the current powerbooks, which is significantly faster, supports a 30% faster front side bus, and uses less power. The 7448 has been available since Febuary! This is a no-brainer. I could do that myself if the CPU weren't soldered onto the logic board. ATi and NVidia both make much better, GPUs than the 9700's shipping in the current PB's that are similarly drop-in replacements that would significantly boost performance. The 1280x854 displays in the current PBs are a joke! Those should've been upgraded last year. And, in an effort to compensate for a rather sluggish CPU (even the 7448 with the faster FSB is pretty lame compared to the state-of-the-art laptops on the PC side), they ought to go with 7200rpm drives in the PBs.
With these simple component swaps, they could bring the PB up to a standard that would be comparable to the machines available at a similar price-point on the PC side, and that's all I'm asking. Such upgraded powerbooks would still be a little slower than comparable PC laptops, but they'd have better battery-life, and all the advantages of OS X to make up for it, and they'd be fast enough. When Apple releases completely redesigned Memrom-based PBs next year, they'll be so much faster that it will still be worth upgrading for those people who need high-performance portables.
I don't think Apple is sitting on a warehouse full of upgraded 7448-based PBs just to frustrate me, I think they've been spending all their resources on iPods and the Macintel transition, because they don't think there's any profit to be made in upgraded powerbooks. If the people I've talked to, and the people on these forums are any indication, Apple is missing out on a significant market, and, perhaps more importantly, seriously frustrating some of their most vocal proponents. Just within my research group, there are no less than 5 of us ready to buy even the slightest update in the PB (and no, we can't just get iBooks because we need the dual-display feature of the PB for presentations), and there are literally dozens in that position on these fora. More to the point, I work in a field where I'm constantly using my computer to show other researcher data, and most of them still use PCs. I'm currently embarrassed at how poorly my PB performs next to their PC-laptops, but back when my PB was comparable (in terms of performance) to the PC-laptops, I convinced many people to buy Macs just by showing off OS X, Keynote, and some of the iApps. These days people just look at the spinning beach-ball and ask why I don't buy one of those nice new Viaos or ThinkPads like everyone else has.
Cheers
Rowen said:Strummert, I am sorry that your iBooks in France have ceased to exist. One the bright side, maybe some updates will come out or a sale campaign will start so you can get them cheaper. Always seems to happen when they mysteriously go "out of stock".
It makes perfect sense, they want to differentiate the men from the boys. Thats one of the main issues with the iBook and PB's. There is no reason for people to go with a PB at this stage when iBooks are so comparable to the current lineup. If the PM's went DC while the iMacs stayed where they are, the lines would be differentiated to an extreme degree, thus making the price tag of the Pro line less troublesome. There will be differences that people will notice at the first instant they compare specs of each machine. The PM will finally scream PRO and the iMac will scream CONSUMER. Differentiation is what Apple needs right now in their lineup, and it isnt happening fast enough0423379 said:I always thought a new iPOD would come out after Nano, I think they used the same team to deal with both designs.
Jobs said that they started redesigning the iMAC when the first G5 iMAC went gold (shipped out).
Now, We all know PowerMac had their update with the 2.0/2.3/2.7 batch.
I think Apple's r&d team have a PM with DDR2 in hand, just waiting for a cpu to drop in. another 0.1 upgrade won't cut it and the profits numbers prolly made them scrap the hole thing and just stick to the 2.7 update instead. and no ddr2. Now that IBM has DC in hand, we might get to see a lineup with DDC 2.7 and DDR2. maybe even a 2.8.
As for powerbooks the cpu has been the biggest problem, and the person who can tell wether or not FreeScale has shipped out a 7448 to apple, and when, prolly also knows when the new PB will be out. IF it will be....
I smell a DDR2 with FrontRow upgrade. no MHZ bump tho.
The new iMAC if IBM had a dualcore cpu in hand, would've been a DualCore single 2.1. It didn't come... so why should they have a dualcore ready for the powermac lineup? makes no sense...
revamping the lineup just for DDR2 isn't gonna give you much of an increase anyway... and they just put in better DVD burners in them.
We might get an X600 further down the road... But as for DDR2? I think it's saved for Mactel...
Let's just hope they managed to use the 7448 in the current PB without doing to many mods to the mb.
No one is stopping you from returning it today and waiting until tuesday to buy a new one.mikev said:I'm really upset that no update came yesterday.I bought my PB Oct. 1. That means I have until tomorrow to return it for a new one (plus restocking fee) or maybe get some kind of refund. I really wished I had waited now. I just hope when they do update them they don't change the metal case. I least when people see me they won't know I have a outdated machine...
I'm almost sure the update will come next Tues. why? Because that way I will be just four days out from being able to benefit from it.
UMHurricanes34 said:No one is stopping you from returning it today and waiting until tuesday to buy a new one.
Apple loves playing with our minds like this...and it just pisses us all off. Unless you find your current PB to be struggling with things you need it to do, I dont really see a need for you to grab a newer one. People want updated machines just to be up to date. But I see it that as long as the current machine does what you need it to do, nothing more is needed. I'm not planning to update to a new PB until the 2nd Gen intel, unless something amazing happens with the 1st G PB intel. I have the 2004 model, which was top of the line then. 1.5GHz 1GB Ram 15" and I have nothing that needs to be done on the go that cant be done with my PB. For anything extremely demanding, I would perfer to use a desktop anyway. I find the desktop experience to be more convenient than the Laptop experience, because you can sit down and do what you need to do on a large screen. Laptops are good for on the site work, but arent a neccessity for me. IDK, its all about the persons need at the end of the day. My PB will suffice until intel. Might need to add another gig of ram thoughmikev said:I guess I really never thought of that. However, I really could not go long without it. Like what if they don't come out on Tues. with a update. Then I may have paid a restocking fee for nothing... Darn..I hate this.
Jestered said:It really gets tiring reading all the posts from people complaining about the PowerBooks, or lack there of.
I understand the need for a new Powerbook. I bought the new 15" 1.67 Powerbook 12 days ago. I went ahead and did this because I truly felt that there would be updates yesterday as well. Now that the updates did not come out, I have pretty much ran out of my 14 days to return, or swap this for the new model, which is what I was planning on doing. So now I am pretty much stuck (if you can actually call this computer being stuck) with this one. So I do understand, but....
There has to be a reason that the new Powerbooks have not been released. One reason may be that they want to release these during a seperate time as to not take away from the excitement of the new iMac and video iPod. Another reason may be that they are just not ready for release. Everyone posts here as if Apple has been sitting on new PowerBooks in a wharehouse somewhere just to piss you off personaly, which is ridiculous.
I guess Apple could go the Microsoft route and release a product with problems that is really not ready for a final release. I have a feeling that the same people complaining here would then be saying, "I can't beleive Apple released something that has problems and is clearly not ready for a release, come on Apple!"
The PowerBooks will be released when they are ready for release. No one is out to get you and it is not a conspiracy. Get over it and wait for them.
Just my 2 cents.
bryanc said:I completely understand that there isn't going to be a G5 PB, and that there likely isn't going to be a major redesign of the PB until the Macintels are released next year. I also have no doubt that Apple could almost effortlessly improve the PBs by swapping antiquated components (CPU, GPU, monitor, etc.) for better ones that have been available for months, if not years! The Freescale 7448 is a pin-for-pin compatible drop in replacement for the 7447/A that is in the current powerbooks, which is significantly faster, supports a 30% faster front side bus, and uses less power. The 7448 has been available since Febuary! This is a no-brainer. I could do that myself if the CPU weren't soldered onto the logic board. ATi and NVidia both make much better, GPUs than the 9700's shipping in the current PB's that are similarly drop-in replacements that would significantly boost performance. The 1280x854 displays in the current PBs are a joke! Those should've been upgraded last year. And, in an effort to compensate for a rather sluggish CPU (even the 7448 with the faster FSB is pretty lame compared to the state-of-the-art laptops on the PC side), they ought to go with 7200rpm drives in the PBs.
With these simple component swaps, they could bring the PB up to a standard that would be comparable to the machines available at a similar price-point on the PC side, and that's all I'm asking. Such upgraded powerbooks would still be a little slower than comparable PC laptops, but they'd have better battery-life, and all the advantages of OS X to make up for it, and they'd be fast enough. When Apple releases completely redesigned Memrom-based PBs next year, they'll be so much faster that it will still be worth upgrading for those people who need high-performance portables.
I don't think Apple is sitting on a warehouse full of upgraded 7448-based PBs just to frustrate me, I think they've been spending all their resources on iPods and the Macintel transition, because they don't think there's any profit to be made in upgraded powerbooks. If the people I've talked to, and the people on these forums are any indication, Apple is missing out on a significant market, and, perhaps more importantly, seriously frustrating some of their most vocal proponents. Just within my research group, there are no less than 5 of us ready to buy even the slightest update in the PB (and no, we can't just get iBooks because we need the dual-display feature of the PB for presentations), and there are literally dozens in that position on these fora. More to the point, I work in a field where I'm constantly using my computer to show other researcher data, and most of them still use PCs. I'm currently embarrassed at how poorly my PB performs next to their PC-laptops, but back when my PB was comparable (in terms of performance) to the PC-laptops, I convinced many people to buy Macs just by showing off OS X, Keynote, and some of the iApps. These days people just look at the spinning beach-ball and ask why I don't buy one of those nice new Viaos or ThinkPads like everyone else has.
Cheers
UMHurricanes34 said:People want updated machines just to be up to date.
fklehman said:You can add me to the list of people whoare waiting to buy even the slightest PB update. Apple is absolutely at fault for the PB situation--as other posters have already pointed out, the PBs could have been upgraded weeks ago with components that have been available in quantity for months--the 7448 processor, the ATI Mobility 9800 (which is not only available but outdated), 7200rpm/higher capacity hard drives--and are 100% compatible with the existing architecture (pin-compatible, still AGP 8x, etc.). No significant R&D necessary for any of those, and yet we're not getting them.
Apple has obsessed over the iPod, and obsessed over the iBook, and obsessed over the iMac even though it just got updated in May, to the point where the price premium for the PowerBooks is a joke. And Apple totally allowed it to happen, it's not like they were lacking components or waiting for new tech to arrive. The tech has been there, and Apple's dragging its feet. Sure, I COULD go out tomorrow and buy a new PB, and I would probably like it ok--but on principle, I REFUSE to fork over my $$$ to Apple for utterly obsolete tech that should have been updated weeks ago. And, as has been made clear, there are many like me who will not buy the current PB no matter how long it takes, because the more dust that model collects the more pissed off I get. NO WAY is Apple getting my money for a computer that hasn't been updated since January 31.
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