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With respect to power/battery issues, consider this fact. The G4 currently draws about 7 watts while the new 980 (G5) chip only draws 12 watts, well within the realm of Powerbook use. Contrast this to Intel's new chip, Prescott, which draws a whopping 100 watts! It is conceivable that a G5 could be used in a Powerbook in the near future. The issue is not whether it can be used, but rather will Apple choose to use it. Given their history they have been slow to adapt newer faster technology that was available to them which is why they have fallen behind in the speed race in the past.
 
Originally posted by stockscalper
With respect to power/battery issues, consider this fact. The G4 currently draws about 7 watts while the new 980 (G5) chip only draws 12 watts, well within the realm of Powerbook use. Contrast this to Intel's new chip, Prescott, which draws a whopping 100 watts! It is conceivable that a G5 could be used in a Powerbook in the near future. The issue is not whether it can be used, but rather will Apple choose to use it. Given their history they have been slow to adapt newer faster technology that was available to them which is why they have fallen behind in the speed race in the past.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. What newer faster tech that was available to them? Are you talking about the possibility of switching to x86? Or about holding the G3 line to slower speeds than was available in the G4 line? In either case, this is hardly an argument for why they wouldn't put the G5 into a Powerbook as soon as possible. Unless I'm much mistaken, Apple actually has a good track record of putting the fastest chip that they can, as soon as they can, into their PowerBook line.
 
When will Apple release a G5 PowerBook

Originally posted by stockscalper
With respect to power/battery issues, consider this fact.
The G4 currently draws about 7 watts while the new
980 G5 chip only draws 12 watts, well within the realm of Powerbook use.

Contrast this to Intel's new chip, Prescott, which draws a whopping 100 watts!

It is conceivable that a G5 could be used in a Powerbook in the near future.

The issue is not whether it can be used, but rather
will Apple choose to use it.
Given their history they have been slow to adapt newer faster technology that was available to them
which is why they have fallen behind in the speed race in the past.
Although by comparison to a 100 watt Intel Prescott chip, the new smaller G5 (980) chip at 12 wattS seems immediately practicable,
the difference between the 7 watt G4 and a 12 watt G5 is more than one and a half times the wattage and potentially a similar factor in heat (1.714 to be more precise).
So if Apple has been having problems with heat (TiBooks evolving into AlBooks) from a 7 watt G4, their problems with heat generated by a 12 watt G5 is 71% greater, a not an insignificant figure.

That being true, it must be a truly daunting task for Dell, Gateway, or even IBM to get a Prescott chip to work in a laptop. :p

At least Apple's goal appears to be more attainable. :) But when?

As to Apple's slowness in adopting "newer, faster technology" as it became available, your position appears to have some merit But I'm not so sure how your argument applies to PPC chips or their clockspeed in general. We've all seen how Apple historically introduces a chip at a low clockspeed and then cranks the same chip up as newer releases are made. What was the real physical difference between single 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 G5 chips that warranted such a difference in asking price? How far can the 2.0 chip be "overclocked" if it isn't already?
Clearly, the quicker Apple releases faster chips on their way to a 3.0GHz goal the happier everyone will be.

I just hope Apple doesn't get caught shooting itself in the foot like Audi did with an early model of the Fox, where the only difference between two models sold at significantly different retail prices was not the engine (exactly the same) but that their engineers had installed a $2.00 exhaust restrictor plate which any knowledgable mechanic could easily remove from the exhaust pipe leading to the muffler thereby resulting in a significant power boost.

We've all been left shaking our heads while Apple has for years repeatedly ignored the status quo of USB 2.0 throughout the personal computer industry by not upgrading Mac USB 1.1 ports. Why, because we didn't understand the superiority of FireWire 400 to USB 2.0 (400) when doing video and connecting external hard drives, so we had to wait until Apple was ready to release FireWire 800?

Other examples are the old bottlenecks in its bus, slow ATA speed for laser and hard drives, and slow RAM.

However, while IBM and a few others rushed into installing high speed DDR RAM chips with excellent error correcting capabilities into PC desktops and laptops, Apple appears to have been more appropriately cautious considering the high cost of being an early adopter.

Apple has adopted many of these technologies in excellent fashion when designing the motherboard and system to house and support G5 chips. Much of Apple's motivation may have finally been that in the G5, they finally had a fast and powerful enough PPC chip that they could truly exploit using a high speed bus architecture.

Finally, instead of dozens of models with curious even confusing differentiations many apparently only for marketing affect, Apple's chips and models are now concentrated into just a few baskets: G4 & G5 (and new G5), laptops, desktops and towers. So now maybe, just maybe Apple will focus on real differences instead of trying to market perceived variations. Will Apple try to sell us anymore 1.6GHz single chip G5s?

What I do expect is new faster G5 models being released as soon as IBM can deliver a couple 10,000 G5 chip shipments running at higher and higher clock speeds. We are already seeing new G5 Xserves with the smaller cooler chips clocked at 2.0GHz, so how could 2.2 through 2.6 be far behind?

Hey Apple, got CHIPS?
You think? :confused:
 
Here's one for hope. Tomorrow or this week might bring us good news.

Keep you fingers crossed.
 
I would like to agree with Bilba since my supplier claimed to be so too, my supplier was wrong last week. Anyway, what have we got to lose?
I am supposed to be getting my new 17in Powerbook this week, let's see if there is an upgrade?
 
For luck, I will sleep tonight with my new Apple Developer Connection T-shirt..
 
Airport as default option?

I'm convinced that it no longer makes sense to make Airport cards optional on Apple's PBook or iBooks.

Apple was the first to make wireless access simple, convenient, and easy.

With wi-fi demand and access on a steady climb upwards, it seems perfectly logical to make Airport de riguer, rather than Exteme.
 
Re: Airport as default option?

Originally posted by BagelTycoon
I'm convinced that it no longer makes sense to make Airport cards optional on Apple's PBook or iBooks.

Apple was the first to make wireless access simple, convenient, and easy.

With wi-fi demand and access on a steady climb upwards, it seems perfectly logical to make Airport de riguer, rather than Exteme.

Yep bluetooth and airport extreme should be standard...I think extreme handles 802.11b fine so extreme is simplier to install ... yes?
 
macosrumors.com have posted a new rumor on the Powerbook updates. Seem to be relatively valid given the amount of specifics mentioned..

heres an excerpt:

" Next-generation Powerbook G4 details: A modest update to Apple's pro laptops, to bridge the considerable gap between the current models and the Powerbook G5 that will be introduced in the late third quarter, is expected early this spring. The update will be almost entirely in the specifications list and will not introduce any major enclosure or architectural changes.

Details include PowerPC 7457 G4 processors at 1.25, 1.33, and 1.467 or possibly 1.533GHz...."

it goes on from there...
Anyone care to expand on what they say?

MT
 
Originally posted by Mt.Everest
macosrumors.com have posted a new rumor on the Powerbook updates. Seem to be relatively valid given the amount of specifics mentioned..

heres an excerpt:

" Next-generation Powerbook G4 details: A modest update to Apple's pro laptops, to bridge the considerable gap between the current models and the Powerbook G5 that will be introduced in the late third quarter, is expected early this spring. The update will be almost entirely in the specifications list and will not introduce any major enclosure or architectural changes.

Details include PowerPC 7457 G4 processors at 1.25, 1.33, and 1.467 or possibly 1.533GHz...."

it goes on from there...
Anyone care to expand on what they say?

MT

Wish I could. Speed bump would be appreciated but its not a G5 so not too excited here. Wish I knew if the 12" was getting a decent graphics card and bus etc
 
Originally posted by Mt.Everest
macosrumors.com have posted a new rumor on the Powerbook updates. Seem to be relatively valid

This statement is oxymoronic.

I'd stand better odds of predicting Apple product timetables by going to the Oracle NeatGekko and offering libations and making an animal sacrifice than by reading MOSR...
 
Originally posted by dryvlee
mosr has been rather reliable lately....

On some predictable stuff. And on stuff ThinkSecret already announced.

Sure, MOSR got it right on mini iPods...but everyone knew about the minis. Same with the Xserve G5s.

The processor speeds that they posit on the PowerBooks only make sense, given the bus speed issues. And of course we won't be waiting until September to see a PowerBook revision (I say "of course" somewhat hopefully).

But MOSR blurs the line between information-based predictions and quasi-logical common sense guesses too often. I read them for amusement only...not as a reliable source of rumors.
 
but rumours are just that, rumours..

decisions may change overnight and hence reliable rumours may not be so..

I use it as an early warning, never something to bet your life on..
 
Re: Re: Airport as default option?

Originally posted by aswitcher
Yep bluetooth and airport extreme should be standard...I think extreme handles 802.11b fine so extreme is simplier to install ... yes?

Given Apple's iBook push in the education market, I can't see bluetooth as a default option for the Junior High - College market, though pre-configured Airport makes perfect sense for those users.

And given that the current bluetooth built-in is already a standard configuration for the higher-end PBook, it makes no sense why Airport cards aren't.
 
more refurbished

Just to add fuel to the rapidly dying fire . . . . Apple had more refurbished powerbooks today, including for the first time the most recent generation of 17 inchers . . . thus being 1.33 Ghz . It is gone now, as might be the most recent edition of the superdrive 15inch and 12 inch, i think.

Also, a sidenote to apple, in case they are listening: Go ahead, wait all year if you want ,but i am not buying my laptop until you update!!!!!!!

17 inches, mmmmmmmm...
 
I think apple should come out with new powerbooks before they come out with new towers. Wait a few more months and if the technology has evoled even further, put the even newest and best configuration of towers out on the market then, but give the new versions some time to breath on the market.

Give your products some time before you make them less-than-best. When a new line comes out, it compeltely makes the old lines sales drop. The product virtually becomes obsolete. G5's have been updated twice in the last quarter (basically), and I think that the powerbooks, while also updated somewhat recently (september, although 5 months is hardly recent), are still lagging behind others computer companies (or so other posts on this and other rumor sites have lead me to believe).

They should release the absolute most-refined version of the G4 powerbook and sell it as the most-up-to-date-in-every-department, but the G5 processor. If they are forced make people wait for heat/size issues resulting from the G5, and it is going to be an obvious hole in their sales line, they should address that immediately and show that it can't be beat in any other way, but the obvious. Update everything but the processor, and everyone will wait happily for its inevitable arrival.

Whatever it be, I think powerbooks deserve more attention at the moment. Wireless is everywhere, and portable is most certainly the wave of the future. I know apple is the cutting edge, and they know it too. Not just in technology but in providing just what the consumer wants.

Please, Apple, give us new Powerbooks . . . . .
 
Apple releases best possible G4 PowerBook ever...

Originally posted by a17inchFuture
I think apple should come out with ... the absolute most-refined version of the G4 powerbook and sell it as the most-up-to-date-in-every-department, but the G5 processor. ... Update everything but the processor, and everyone will wait happily for its inevitable arrival.
Please, Apple, give us new Powerbooks . . .
You mean...dare I say it? that Apple should put 7200 rpm 60GB hard drives in PowerBooks instead of oh so sloooow 4200 rpm?
No, they wouldn't add L3 cache, would they?
And, 8x SuperDrives as standard issue?
There's no room for Dual 1GHz chips in a PowerBook, is there?
What is this Macworld coming to?
:p
 
Re: Apple releases best possible G4 PowerBook ever...

Originally posted by MacRAND

There's no room for Dual 1GHz chips in a PowerBook, is there?
What is this Macworld coming to?
:p

Maybe the 17" - world first dual machine :) Just need another battery...
 
Apple releases best possible G4 PowerBook ever...

Originally posted by aswitcher
Maybe the 17" - world's first dual machine :) Just needs another battery...
YES, and a little Chihuahua hanging from its iSight, tricked out with Dual chrome exhaust pipes...ZOOM!!!
PB Cruiser Turbo (low-rider special) ;) Smokin'
 
Originally posted by deejemon
I hope you enjoy your imaginary PowerBook. The backlit keyboard is only standard on the 17" and the high-end 15" (1.25GHz) PowerBooks, and is an option on the low-end 15" (1.0GHz).

Umm, if you re-read the original post you might notice the "asa", which I would interpret as "as soon as". I won't explain further, I figure you're already feeling a little foolish.

BTW, I too am using an older PB, my one is slightly faster, a 667. Being somewhat foolish myself I fully intend to upgrade to a G5 (or G6) PB as soon as one is available, but not before then. A speed bump on the G4 is just not going to do it for me.
 
This is just speculation. We've all been saying the same thing over here on this message board. For all we know, he got that info here...
-Kev
Originally posted by Mt.Everest
" Next-generation Powerbook G4 details: A modest update to Apple's pro laptops, to bridge the considerable gap between the current models and the Powerbook G5 that will be introduced in the late third quarter, is expected early this spring. The update will be almost entirely in the specifications list and will not introduce any major enclosure or architectural changes.

Details include PowerPC 7457 G4 processors at 1.25, 1.33, and 1.467 or possibly 1.533GHz...."
 
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